Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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I want to know if the hand written letter the seized was his love letter from Rocket Man.

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I can't keep up. They removed all these boxes- has anyone confirmed the boxes actually contain the nuclear documents?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't keep up. They removed all these boxes- has anyone confirmed the boxes actually contain the nuclear documents?

Only the FBI and DOJ are in a position to conclusively verify this and they’re not in the business of trying cases in the court of public opinion or discussing ongoing investigations:

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Dying.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend said that she'd heard the informant was likely a SS agent, and nobody close to Trump. I hope someday we know who it was.

So your friend believes acSS agent was rummaging through boxes in a basement storage locker unbeknownst to anyone?

Maybe they weren't always in boxes in basement storage.

I’m pretty sure people don’t have basements in Palm Beach. Where did the idea of a basement come from?

Especially a block from the beach.

Sigh.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2017/08/10/little-known-feature-trump-s/7803682007/

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He never ever understood the role of the government and what a big deal the whole President thing was. Never. Still doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

The second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Probable cause can be established by a showing that materials subject to the Espionage Act were in the possession and control of a person but are now unaccounted for and not otherwise under positive control by NARA and/or those materials are known to be located at a specified unsecured location without legal authority. The FBI obtains warrants on this basis all the time when government employees or contractors are involved in mishandling classified or confidential material.

It’s also quite possible that there was a sudden sense of urgency triggered by information obtained through intelligence, surveillance or a witness/source.

Warrants, yes, but I doubt a random employee will be CHARGED with espionage if they mistakenly bring something home they shouldn't have, absent all other proof.
Now in this case, Trump knowingly brought these documents home. But doesn't a charge of espionage need evidence of disseminating it to others? Or intent of same?

Nobody said anything about mistakenly — which is near impodddible to do. That’s blatantly moving the goalposts. Go read 18 USC sec. 793. It is not hard to parse.

Right. My question is: Will Trump be charged with espionage even if law enforcement cannot find any proof he intended to share them? Is sole possession of these docs sufficient since he should have known it was illegal to do so?

Also, if fingerprints of his employees are found on them, will they be charged too?

793 has seven discrete subsections dealing with handling defense information.

DP. 793 wasn't the only provision cited in the supporting documents.

They threw in destruction and obstruction for window dressing.

What is your evidence of that?

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Anonymous wrote:Dying.

HAHAHAHAHA

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

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Troll says FBI lied a couple of times among millions of accurate statements.

Troll forgets Trump lies all the time, and maybe had a handful of true statements in his life.

BUT SURE, IT'S THE FBI THAT'S THE BIG OL' MEANIE HERE.

Falsifying a document to get a FISA is very serious. VERY

So much worse than Trump selling nuclear secrets to enemies of the state, eh?

That's a very serious charge. Can you link to your source?

Says person demonstrating lack of familiarity with rhetorical statements.

I make it a habit of never rhetorically accusing people of crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

The second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Probable cause can be established by a showing that materials subject to the Espionage Act were in the possession and control of a person but are now unaccounted for and not otherwise under positive control by NARA and/or those materials are known to be located at a specified unsecured location without legal authority. The FBI obtains warrants on this basis all the time when government employees or contractors are involved in mishandling classified or confidential material.

It’s also quite possible that there was a sudden sense of urgency triggered by information obtained through intelligence, surveillance or a witness/source.

Warrants, yes, but I doubt a random employee will be CHARGED with espionage if they mistakenly bring something home they shouldn't have, absent all other proof.
Now in this case, Trump knowingly brought these documents home. But doesn't a charge of espionage need evidence of disseminating it to others? Or intent of same?

Nobody said anything about mistakenly — which is near impodddible to do. That’s blatantly moving the goalposts. Go read 18 USC sec. 793. It is not hard to parse.

Right. My question is: Will Trump be charged with espionage even if law enforcement cannot find any proof he intended to share them? Is sole possession of these docs sufficient since he should have known it was illegal to do so?

Also, if fingerprints of his employees are found on them, will they be charged too?

I bet this brings down the whole Trump family, his legal team, everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be tough to get trump, it's not like he actually carried the documents or moved them himself. They will need to prove trump told someone something and it will be a he said she said

Oh yeah that’ll work. Considering he kept the things he never asked for for 18 months disregarding requests and subpoenas from the US government.

Weren't they in MAL in June?

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Trumps legal team was asking republicans to stop making the warrant release an issue because of what to come.

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Anonymous wrote:Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

The second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Probable cause can be established by a showing that materials subject to the Espionage Act were in the possession and control of a person but are now unaccounted for and not otherwise under positive control by NARA and/or those materials are known to be located at a specified unsecured location without legal authority. The FBI obtains warrants on this basis all the time when government employees or contractors are involved in mishandling classified or confidential material.

It’s also quite possible that there was a sudden sense of urgency triggered by information obtained through intelligence, surveillance or a witness/source.

Warrants, yes, but I doubt a random employee will be CHARGED with espionage if they mistakenly bring something home they shouldn't have, absent all other proof.
Now in this case, Trump knowingly brought these documents home. But doesn't a charge of espionage need evidence of disseminating it to others? Or intent of same?

Nobody said anything about mistakenly — which is near impodddible to do. That’s blatantly moving the goalposts. Go read 18 USC sec. 793. It is not hard to parse.

Right. My question is: Will Trump be charged with espionage even if law enforcement cannot find any proof he intended to share them? Is sole possession of these docs sufficient since he should have known it was illegal to do so?

Also, if fingerprints of his employees are found on them, will they be charged too?

I bet this brings down the whole Trump family, his legal team, everyone.

note who in the GOP is defending this and who is finally turning into an actual patriot