ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

It's obviously more than one person. 8/1 creates a mess for probably more girl families than boys that started school on time. Adding in the limited time exceptions with proving grade solves all of this. They clearly can't think outside of the box and therefore chose a singular cutoff that now creates more misalignment. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

It's obviously more than one person. 8/1 creates a mess for probably more girl families than boys that started school on time. Adding in the limited time exceptions with proving grade solves all of this. They clearly can't think outside of the box and therefore chose a singular cutoff that now creates more misalignment. It is what it is.

The lone saving grace of 8-1 is that it DOES give some flexibility to families who might be misaligned. You CAN play with your grade OR your soccer age group. The complaints come in when families might not like the opportunities/teams/clubs available in those scenarios, especially if they are just a typical athletic kid who loves soccer and is a hard worker but not a can't miss talent that clubs would do anything for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

It's obviously more than one person. 8/1 creates a mess for probably more girl families than boys that started school on time. Adding in the limited time exceptions with proving grade solves all of this. They clearly can't think outside of the box and therefore chose a singular cutoff that now creates more misalignment. It is what it is.

The lone saving grace of 8-1 is that it DOES give some flexibility to families who might be misaligned. You CAN play with your grade OR your soccer age group. The complaints come in when families might not like the opportunities/teams/clubs available in those scenarios, especially if they are just a typical athletic kid who loves soccer and is a hard worker but not a can't miss talent that clubs would do anything for.

That's not an advantage.

Its just another not nearly defined loophole that parents and will exploit over time.

Also it creates so much issues with HS soccer and recruiters.

Just solve it now with SY+30 and everyone is playing in their grade and theres no trapped players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

It's obviously more than one person. 8/1 creates a mess for probably more girl families than boys that started school on time. Adding in the limited time exceptions with proving grade solves all of this. They clearly can't think outside of the box and therefore chose a singular cutoff that now creates more misalignment. It is what it is.

The lone saving grace of 8-1 is that it DOES give some flexibility to families who might be misaligned. You CAN play with your grade OR your soccer age group. The complaints come in when families might not like the opportunities/teams/clubs available in those scenarios, especially if they are just a typical athletic kid who loves soccer and is a hard worker but not a can't miss talent that clubs would do anything for.

That's not an advantage.

Its just another not nearly defined loophole that parents and will exploit over time.

Also it creates so much issues with HS soccer and recruiters.

Just solve it now with SY+30 and everyone is playing in their grade and theres no trapped players.

Here's where I'm OK with giving more choice/power to families, even if it's just one birth month. They don't have much in this toxic youth soccer system.

Good discussion here: https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/upcoming-age-group-changes-youth-soccer-csc/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

It's obviously more than one person. 8/1 creates a mess for probably more girl families than boys that started school on time. Adding in the limited time exceptions with proving grade solves all of this. They clearly can't think outside of the box and therefore chose a singular cutoff that now creates more misalignment. It is what it is.

The lone saving grace of 8-1 is that it DOES give some flexibility to families who might be misaligned. You CAN play with your grade OR your soccer age group. The complaints come in when families might not like the opportunities/teams/clubs available in those scenarios, especially if they are just a typical athletic kid who loves soccer and is a hard worker but not a can't miss talent that clubs would do anything for.

That's not an advantage.

Its just another not nearly defined loophole that parents and will exploit over time.

Also it creates so much issues with HS soccer and recruiters.

Just solve it now with SY+30 and everyone is playing in their grade and theres no trapped players.

Here's where I'm OK with giving more choice/power to families, even if it's just one birth month. They don't have much in this toxic youth soccer system.

Good discussion here: https://www.soccerparenting.com/blog/upcoming-age-group-changes-youth-soccer-csc/

Just read through the link. It calls out all the reasons for SY+30 and even SY+60 both with a 9/1 cutoff. They've identified all the issues but haven't made the jump in how to address them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

Players born between 9/1 and 8/1 the next year only need a birthcert.

Players born between 8/1 and 9/1 the same year need a birthcert and proof grade in school.

For the proof of grade all you need to do is scan a proof of grade document + upload it to a share that only club docs have access to. Club DOCs can review other teams player grade verification documents and submit cheaters to the league.

Pretty easy to implement and police. Most DOCs wont even care if players are cheating until big games. Also the only person that players are cheating is themselves by playing down when it comes to recruiters. The threat of getting caught cheating will address 99% of the players that would try to play down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

Players born between 9/1 and 8/1 the next year only need a birthcert.

Players born between 8/1 and 9/1 the same year need a birthcert and proof grade in school.

For the proof of grade all you need to do is scan a proof of grade document + upload it to a share that only club docs have access to. Club DOCs can review other teams player grade verification documents and submit cheaters to the league.

Pretty easy to implement and police. Most DOCs wont even care if players are cheating until big games. Also the only person that players are cheating is themselves by playing down when it comes to recruiters. The threat of getting caught cheating will address 99% of the players that would try to play down.

I don't even think you really need a "proof" of grade
Let parents attest to the grade their child is in school. The type of parent that is going to lie has already held their child back in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

Players born between 9/1 and 8/1 the next year only need a birthcert.

Players born between 8/1 and 9/1 the same year need a birthcert and proof grade in school.

For the proof of grade all you need to do is scan a proof of grade document + upload it to a share that only club docs have access to. Club DOCs can review other teams player grade verification documents and submit cheaters to the league.

Pretty easy to implement and police. Most DOCs wont even care if players are cheating until big games. Also the only person that players are cheating is themselves by playing down when it comes to recruiters. The threat of getting caught cheating will address 99% of the players that would try to play down.

I don't even think you really need a "proof" of grade
Let parents attest to the grade their child is in school. The type of parent that is going to lie has already held their child back in school.

I agree, its all theater.

But it keeps players from playing down with a lower age group which is better for the league when it comes to recruitment.

Its even in the name "SY+30" youre specifically calling out that player born 30 days before the cutoff need to have grade in school verification. This reinforces the expectation that aug birthday players wont play down on a grade lower teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

Players born between 9/1 and 8/1 the next year only need a birthcert.

Players born between 8/1 and 9/1 the same year need a birthcert and proof grade in school.

For the proof of grade all you need to do is scan a proof of grade document + upload it to a share that only club docs have access to. Club DOCs can review other teams player grade verification documents and submit cheaters to the league.

Pretty easy to implement and police. Most DOCs wont even care if players are cheating until big games. Also the only person that players are cheating is themselves by playing down when it comes to recruiters. The threat of getting caught cheating will address 99% of the players that would try to play down.

I don't even think you really need a "proof" of grade
Let parents attest to the grade their child is in school. The type of parent that is going to lie has already held their child back in school.

I agree, its all theater.

But it keeps players from playing down with a lower age group which is better for the league when it comes to recruitment.

Its even in the name "SY+30" youre specifically calling out that player born 30 days before the cutoff need to have grade in school verification. This reinforces the expectation that aug birthday players wont play down on a grade lower teams.

Think of it from a college recruiter/coaches perspective. If GA implemented SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff they'd know without question that if they were looking at a certain game at a GA event that all players on the field would be graduating on X year.

Since ECNL has a strait 8/1 cutoff recruiters/coaches wouldn't be sure which year players on the field will graduate.

For tournamants SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff clubs and SY with an 8/1 clubs can play each other. The SY+30 clubs would just need to change there tounament rules to SY just for that event. Since the SY+60 teams would already be formed it wouldn't matter. Nobody is going to go through all the effort to find older players with aug birthdays for a single tournament.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

Players born between 9/1 and 8/1 the next year only need a birthcert.

Players born between 8/1 and 9/1 the same year need a birthcert and proof grade in school.

For the proof of grade all you need to do is scan a proof of grade document + upload it to a share that only club docs have access to. Club DOCs can review other teams player grade verification documents and submit cheaters to the league.

Pretty easy to implement and police. Most DOCs wont even care if players are cheating until big games. Also the only person that players are cheating is themselves by playing down when it comes to recruiters. The threat of getting caught cheating will address 99% of the players that would try to play down.

I don't even think you really need a "proof" of grade
Let parents attest to the grade their child is in school. The type of parent that is going to lie has already held their child back in school.

I agree, its all theater.

But it keeps players from playing down with a lower age group which is better for the league when it comes to recruitment.

Its even in the name "SY+30" youre specifically calling out that player born 30 days before the cutoff need to have grade in school verification. This reinforces the expectation that aug birthday players wont play down on a grade lower teams.

Think of it from a college recruiter/coaches perspective. If GA implemented SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff they'd know without question that if they were looking at a certain game at a GA event that all players on the field would be graduating on X year.

Since ECNL has a strait 8/1 cutoff recruiters/coaches wouldn't be sure which year players on the field will graduate.

For tournamants SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff clubs and SY with an 8/1 clubs can play each other. The SY+30 clubs would just need to change there tounament rules to SY just for that event. Since the SY+60 teams would already be formed it wouldn't matter. Nobody is going to go through all the effort to find older players with aug birthdays for a single tournament.

Why does everything have to cater to the elites like college recruiters and coaches? You're making the same arguments people had for BY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

Its called math you should learn about it.

Trapped players can only be addressed if you have a window of qualification and second level of qualification.

Using a single cutoff date will have trapped players no matter what date is chosen.

Do you work for the IRS by any chance? The +anything vastly overcomplicates a process to solve for what is probably less than one tenth of the population in youth soccer that are negatively impacted.

My club has over 1500 kids in it so now I have to get some type of “proof of grade” system in place. Will we just take parents word? Will it have to be signed by the school administration? Is there one official form? What if a club has kids from different states with different cutoffs?

Everyone has a birth certificate and 99% of the clubs already have them on file.

The “cure” of + is worse than the disease…………….

Players born between 9/1 and 8/1 the next year only need a birthcert.

Players born between 8/1 and 9/1 the same year need a birthcert and proof grade in school.

For the proof of grade all you need to do is scan a proof of grade document + upload it to a share that only club docs have access to. Club DOCs can review other teams player grade verification documents and submit cheaters to the league.

Pretty easy to implement and police. Most DOCs wont even care if players are cheating until big games. Also the only person that players are cheating is themselves by playing down when it comes to recruiters. The threat of getting caught cheating will address 99% of the players that would try to play down.

I don't even think you really need a "proof" of grade
Let parents attest to the grade their child is in school. The type of parent that is going to lie has already held their child back in school.

I agree, its all theater.

But it keeps players from playing down with a lower age group which is better for the league when it comes to recruitment.

Its even in the name "SY+30" youre specifically calling out that player born 30 days before the cutoff need to have grade in school verification. This reinforces the expectation that aug birthday players wont play down on a grade lower teams.

Think of it from a college recruiter/coaches perspective. If GA implemented SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff they'd know without question that if they were looking at a certain game at a GA event that all players on the field would be graduating on X year.

Since ECNL has a strait 8/1 cutoff recruiters/coaches wouldn't be sure which year players on the field will graduate.

For tournamants SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff clubs and SY with an 8/1 clubs can play each other. The SY+30 clubs would just need to change there tounament rules to SY just for that event. Since the SY+60 teams would already be formed it wouldn't matter. Nobody is going to go through all the effort to find older players with aug birthdays for a single tournament.

Why does everything have to cater to the elites like college recruiters and coaches? You're making the same arguments people had for BY.

The decision has already been made to switch from BY and SY. Since this has occurred might as well add a few rules that make no difference to youngers but make a huge difference to olders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

One person. They introduced themselves as the dad of a girl soccer player way back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there more than one SY+30/60/90/120 advocate or is it one person who has 30% of the total replies on this thread??

Lots of free time I guess……….

One person. They introduced themselves as the dad of a girl soccer player way back.

Nope, because I like and post about SY+ and I'm not the only one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are crazy. It’s a rare case that a family will have a kid repeat 8th grade just for soccer. These will be outliers, not the norm.

100%!!!

Ok let's play out what will happen if an aug player is playing down a grade and parents dont hold them back.

1st They'll want to play HS soccer when the rest of the team is still in middle school. This will screw up the season for the club team because club schedules arent setup to accommodate this.

2nd recruiters wont know what to do with these players because theyre graduating a year earlier than what they're recruiting for. So they'll mostly get ignored or lost in the shuffle.

But I guess all those youngers wins will be worth it.

Sorry to say it but some people just lost any common sense.

1) Freshmen year kids don’t typically get to play much

2) 99% of kids don’t end up playing beyond HS

And the argument that someone would hold their kids back is simply idiotic.