Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

Interesting. So you think rejection of 181 started the conflict, whereas the expulsion of 750,000 people is in the "unfortunate but shruggable" category. Okay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

Agree with all of this. And the radical pro Palestinians who refuse to acknowledge the gray areas certainly aren’t making me more sympathetic to their cause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol, by whom would Israel be occupied?germany was split into four territories occupied by the allied forces.

If Hamas “occupied” Israel that would be the end of Israelis. They are incapable of humanity. As bad as everyone claims Israel is, Hamas is far worse and is comprised of savage barbarians… yet everyone is in their favor. It’s beyond comprehension. And I say this as an anti settler, anti Netanyahu person. Yall have lost your minds.

lol you’re anti settler, okay: tell us, what sort of resistance tactics would you permit for Palestinians who suffer from settlers and the settlement movement? Guns? Rocks? Or like everyone else, sad songs?

Civil rights movement didn’t happen with terrorism. Neither did suffrage, or birth control or abortion. It occurred with peaceful activism and education and tolerance. You are falling over yourself to defend terrorism. And separately, the West Bank is not relevant to what’s happening in Gaza with Hamas, and your effort to conflate the two is an attempt to deflect from Hamas, an entity that is indefensible.

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

Interesting. So you think rejection of 181 started the conflict, whereas the expulsion of 750,000 people is in the "unfortunate but shruggable" category. Okay.

It’s funny how you don’t care that millions of native jews were ethnically cleansed from nearly all of the Arab states in the Middle East. Or about the genocide occurring elsewhere in the world. Makes it seem as if your problem is not with the concept, but is only unacceptable to you based on the race of the alleged perpetrators. Or the height of its news coverage. Either way, you’re a hack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

LOL whereas Israel simply HAD to go and settle the West Bank? Simply HAD to practice administrative detention? Simply HAD to unleash crazy violent settlers?

PP here.

What? I said none of the above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

Interesting. So you think rejection of 181 started the conflict, whereas the expulsion of 750,000 people is in the "unfortunate but shruggable" category. Okay.

Nope. Not what I said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol, by whom would Israel be occupied?germany was split into four territories occupied by the allied forces.

If Hamas “occupied” Israel that would be the end of Israelis. They are incapable of humanity. As bad as everyone claims Israel is, Hamas is far worse and is comprised of savage barbarians… yet everyone is in their favor. It’s beyond comprehension. And I say this as an anti settler, anti Netanyahu person. Yall have lost your minds.

lol you’re anti settler, okay: tell us, what sort of resistance tactics would you permit for Palestinians who suffer from settlers and the settlement movement? Guns? Rocks? Or like everyone else, sad songs?

Civil rights movement didn’t happen with terrorism. Neither did suffrage, or birth control or abortion. It occurred with peaceful activism and education and tolerance. You are falling over yourself to defend terrorism. And separately, the West Bank is not relevant to what’s happening in Gaza with Hamas, and your effort to conflate the two is an attempt to deflect from Hamas, an entity that is indefensible.

Terrorism was a tool used by almost every colonized people to expel colonizers including Mandela

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol, by whom would Israel be occupied?germany was split into four territories occupied by the allied forces.

If Hamas “occupied” Israel that would be the end of Israelis. They are incapable of humanity. As bad as everyone claims Israel is, Hamas is far worse and is comprised of savage barbarians… yet everyone is in their favor. It’s beyond comprehension. And I say this as an anti settler, anti Netanyahu person. Yall have lost your minds.

lol you’re anti settler, okay: tell us, what sort of resistance tactics would you permit for Palestinians who suffer from settlers and the settlement movement? Guns? Rocks? Or like everyone else, sad songs?

Civil rights movement didn’t happen with terrorism. Neither did suffrage, or birth control or abortion. It occurred with peaceful activism and education and tolerance. You are falling over yourself to defend terrorism. And separately, the West Bank is not relevant to what’s happening in Gaza with Hamas, and your effort to conflate the two is an attempt to deflect from Hamas, an entity that is indefensible.

Terrorism was a tool used by almost every colonized people to expel colonizers including Mandela

Now terrorism is a “tool.” This is why people with your perspective on the conflict are not taken seriously. It’s sad because it does your cause a disservice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol, by whom would Israel be occupied?germany was split into four territories occupied by the allied forces.

If Hamas “occupied” Israel that would be the end of Israelis. They are incapable of humanity. As bad as everyone claims Israel is, Hamas is far worse and is comprised of savage barbarians… yet everyone is in their favor. It’s beyond comprehension. And I say this as an anti settler, anti Netanyahu person. Yall have lost your minds.

lol you’re anti settler, okay: tell us, what sort of resistance tactics would you permit for Palestinians who suffer from settlers and the settlement movement? Guns? Rocks? Or like everyone else, sad songs?

Civil rights movement didn’t happen with terrorism. Neither did suffrage, or birth control or abortion. It occurred with peaceful activism and education and tolerance. You are falling over yourself to defend terrorism. And separately, the West Bank is not relevant to what’s happening in Gaza with Hamas, and your effort to conflate the two is an attempt to deflect from Hamas, an entity that is indefensible.

Terrorism was a tool used by almost every colonized people to expel colonizers including Mandela

Now terrorism is a “tool.” This is why people with your perspective on the conflict are not taken seriously. It’s sad because it does your cause a disservice.

PP herself is a tool. Pun intended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol, by whom would Israel be occupied?germany was split into four territories occupied by the allied forces.

If Hamas “occupied” Israel that would be the end of Israelis. They are incapable of humanity. As bad as everyone claims Israel is, Hamas is far worse and is comprised of savage barbarians… yet everyone is in their favor. It’s beyond comprehension. And I say this as an anti settler, anti Netanyahu person. Yall have lost your minds.

lol you’re anti settler, okay: tell us, what sort of resistance tactics would you permit for Palestinians who suffer from settlers and the settlement movement? Guns? Rocks? Or like everyone else, sad songs?

Civil rights movement didn’t happen with terrorism. Neither did suffrage, or birth control or abortion. It occurred with peaceful activism and education and tolerance. You are falling over yourself to defend terrorism. And separately, the West Bank is not relevant to what’s happening in Gaza with Hamas, and your effort to conflate the two is an attempt to deflect from Hamas, an entity that is indefensible.

Terrorism was a tool used by almost every colonized people to expel colonizers including Mandela

Now terrorism is a “tool.” This is why people with your perspective on the conflict are not taken seriously. It’s sad because it does your cause a disservice.

It's a statement of historical fact rather than an opinion on the ethics of terrorism. Bear in mind that Zionists used terrorism in creating Israel. Remember the King David Hotel?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

Interesting. So you think rejection of 181 started the conflict, whereas the expulsion of 750,000 people is in the "unfortunate but shruggable" category. Okay.

It’s funny how you don’t care that millions of native jews were ethnically cleansed from nearly all of the Arab states in the Middle East. Or about the genocide occurring elsewhere in the world. Makes it seem as if your problem is not with the concept, but is only unacceptable to you based on the race of the alleged perpetrators. Or the height of its news coverage. Either way, you’re a hack.

“Don’t look at me, look at these other guys, they are even worse!”

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

Actually, my sympathies are, on balance, with Israel because I believe that Palestinians created the current situation.

Their refusal to honor the initial 2 state solution and subsequent 80 years of terrorism is, in my view, the primary cause of the current conflict and misery.

So this is not a question of "emotional attachment" for me--it's a question of who bears responsibility.

It's also a case of believing that terror attacks targeted against civilians are unjust, regardless of circumstance.

Serious question. You don’t think what Israel has done to them for 80 years constitutes terrorism? They don’t have an Iron Dome, have higher death counts -namely children, women, and elderly as homes get bombed. Is this not terrorism?

They even crossed state borders to go to Lebanon to do a massacre with a Lebanese Christian paramilitary . Massacres Israeli soldiers still have nightmares about . Three of the Hamas founders come from the Shatila Lebanese refugee camp-the same massacre where a pregnant Palestinian woman’s baby was cut out of her stomach and the Israeli soldiers betted on if it were a boy or a girl (an IDF soldier’s words-not a Palestinians words). It’s something when you have even Israeli ex soldiers and Holocaust survivors saying what their country is doing is wrong.

Serious answer:

I agree that many of Israel's actions, especially over the last 20 years, have been terrible.

That said, homes getting bombed, while horrible and sometimes criminal, is IMO a lesser evil than terrorism.

As for the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, I deplore them 100%.

If I had to summarize, I'd say this:

1. The Palestinians are largely responsible for starting/creating the conflict by rejecting UN resolution 181.

2. Israelis have behaved barbarously and criminally at times.

3. Most Palestinians' ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel and they are willing to continue to use terror and conflict as means to achieving this goal.

4. The Palestinians have turned down multiple offers of peace that, while imperfect, presented far better options than ongoing terror and conflict.

5. The current Israeli government and the Israeli right has no interest in peace with the Palestinians and is deliberately undermining the possibility of peace. They are willing to commit ethnic cleansing in order to expand Israel and are currently doing so in the West Bank (albeit in slow motion) and possibly Gaza (tbd).

6. My conclusion: both sides bear tremendous moral responsibility; the Palestinians had numerous chances to avoid all of this and failed to do so, b/c of #4.

Interesting. So you think rejection of 181 started the conflict, whereas the expulsion of 750,000 people is in the "unfortunate but shruggable" category. Okay.

It’s funny how you don’t care that millions of native jews were ethnically cleansed from nearly all of the Arab states in the Middle East. Or about the genocide occurring elsewhere in the world. Makes it seem as if your problem is not with the concept, but is only unacceptable to you based on the race of the alleged perpetrators. Or the height of its news coverage. Either way, you’re a hack.

“Don’t look at me, look at these other guys, they are even worse!”

Not what I’m saying. My point is that YOU are a hack.

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.

Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.

Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.

Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.

You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:lol, by whom would Israel be occupied?germany was split into four territories occupied by the allied forces.

If Hamas “occupied” Israel that would be the end of Israelis. They are incapable of humanity. As bad as everyone claims Israel is, Hamas is far worse and is comprised of savage barbarians… yet everyone is in their favor. It’s beyond comprehension. And I say this as an anti settler, anti Netanyahu person. Yall have lost your minds.

lol you’re anti settler, okay: tell us, what sort of resistance tactics would you permit for Palestinians who suffer from settlers and the settlement movement? Guns? Rocks? Or like everyone else, sad songs?

Civil rights movement didn’t happen with terrorism. Neither did suffrage, or birth control or abortion. It occurred with peaceful activism and education and tolerance. You are falling over yourself to defend terrorism. And separately, the West Bank is not relevant to what’s happening in Gaza with Hamas, and your effort to conflate the two is an attempt to deflect from Hamas, an entity that is indefensible.

Terrorism was a tool used by almost every colonized people to expel colonizers including Mandela

Now terrorism is a “tool.” This is why people with your perspective on the conflict are not taken seriously. It’s sad because it does your cause a disservice.

It's a statement of historical fact rather than an opinion on the ethics of terrorism. Bear in mind that Zionists used terrorism in creating Israel. Remember the King David Hotel?

The JNC (Jewish national committee) denounced the bombing of the king David hotel. Palestinians celebrate attacks on Israeli civilians.

Additionally the Irgun placed three separate phone calls urging British to evacuate the king David before they bombed it, to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas and jihadists specifically target civilians to incite fear. I denounce terrorism of all forms. Palestinians sympathizers denounce selectively.

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.

Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.

Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.

Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.

You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.

You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.