Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
Moving Flora Singer makes no sense from a proximity or diversity perspective. It is one of the lower-FARMS schools in the DCC. It does not make sense to bus those kids so far west when there are higher FARMS schools closer to Woodward.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
Source? or just more drunken ramblings?
The source is the diversity-first boundary policy and the screeches of east county progressives on this very board (and others) about how Kensington needs to go to Einstein.
So basically imaginary drivel. Got it!
DCUM has a handy search feature. You should try it sometime. You'll find all sorts of progressive screeching about this issue.
You sure are screeching a lot yourself! Tired yet?
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
I think they will stay at Einstein. Northwood would make sense but I think that extra space is going to be taken up by Blair. I think Highland and KPES may split articulate, and Woodlin will be re-zoned.
That was a very convoluted way of agreeing with me that Flora Singer won't be rezoned
I mean I agree with that point, but not that “a lot” of walkers are going to be re-zoned. Singer is a school they could send multiple places because they have no walkers to Einstein. I think staying at Einstein makes the most sense all things considered though.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
Moving Flora Singer makes no sense from a proximity or diversity perspective. It is one of the lower-FARMS schools in the DCC. It does not make sense to bus those kids so far west when there are higher FARMS schools closer to Woodward.
Ah ok. I don't know the school at all, so you're probably right.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
I think they will stay at Einstein. Northwood would make sense but I think that extra space is going to be taken up by Blair. I think Highland and KPES may split articulate, and Woodlin will be re-zoned.
That was a very convoluted way of agreeing with me that Flora Singer won't be rezoned
I mean I agree with that point, but not that “a lot” of walkers are going to be re-zoned. Singer is a school they could send multiple places because they have no walkers to Einstein. I think staying at Einstein makes the most sense all things considered though.
Actually if you recall you seemed to have a huge problem with me saying there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and that it's not practical to rezone the non-walkers. Then you explained why it's not practical to rezone the non-walkers at Flora Singer for literally the exact reasons I offered, but pretended it was your idea. It's okay to just say "I agree with X but not Y".
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
Moving Flora Singer makes no sense from a proximity or diversity perspective. It is one of the lower-FARMS schools in the DCC. It does not make sense to bus those kids so far west when there are higher FARMS schools closer to Woodward.
Ah ok. I don't know the school at all, so you're probably right.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
You know what's weird? I haven't seen a single "screech" or "east county progressive" on this thread. Everyone except you seems to be attempting to engage in a fact-based conversation about potential solutions to overcrowding in schools, and everyone except you seems to be willing to looking at past practice to see how the "diversity first" policy has played out in actual boundary discussions to date.
Please stop. You are derailing this thread (and other threads) with disinformation and fear-mongering that is not based on fact or on practice to date.
I'm the most knowledgeable person on this board when it comes to the boundary policy. I retroactively watched all the BOE meetings on the topic to see how we got here and everything I said is true. I just want people to know what's coming and to pish back hard against it of they don't like it which 95% of people don't (according to the boundary analysis). So you're either misinformed or are spreading misinformation to try to get people to stop paying attention just like the BOE did when they changed the boundary policy without notifying the public. Democracy dies in darkness.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
Yes, I think the IMAGINARY diversity first boundary might do that. The other poster is talking about real policy.
Perhaps you'd like to post the verbiage of the boundary policy so everyone can see what it says. We just need the 4 factors section.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
Yes, I think the IMAGINARY diversity first boundary might do that. The other poster is talking about real policy.
Perhaps you'd like to post the verbiage of the boundary policy so everyone can see what it says. We just need the 4 factors section.
It's been done many times already and clearly states all 4 factors carry equal weight.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
You know what's weird? I haven't seen a single "screech" or "east county progressive" on this thread. Everyone except you seems to be attempting to engage in a fact-based conversation about potential solutions to overcrowding in schools, and everyone except you seems to be willing to looking at past practice to see how the "diversity first" policy has played out in actual boundary discussions to date.
Please stop. You are derailing this thread (and other threads) with disinformation and fear-mongering that is not based on fact or on practice to date.
I'm the most knowledgeable person on this board when it comes to the boundary policy. I retroactively watched all the BOE meetings on the topic to see how we got here and everything I said is true. I just want people to know what's coming and to pish back hard against it of they don't like it which 95% of people don't (according to the boundary analysis). So you're either misinformed or are spreading misinformation to try to get people to stop paying attention just like the BOE did when they changed the boundary policy without notifying the public. Democracy dies in darkness.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
I think they will stay at Einstein. Northwood would make sense but I think that extra space is going to be taken up by Blair. I think Highland and KPES may split articulate, and Woodlin will be re-zoned.
That was a very convoluted way of agreeing with me that Flora Singer won't be rezoned
I mean I agree with that point, but not that “a lot” of walkers are going to be re-zoned. Singer is a school they could send multiple places because they have no walkers to Einstein. I think staying at Einstein makes the most sense all things considered though.
Actually if you recall you seemed to have a huge problem with me saying there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and that it's not practical to rezone the non-walkers. Then you explained why it's not practical to rezone the non-walkers at Flora Singer for literally the exact reasons I offered, but pretended it was your idea. It's okay to just say "I agree with X but not Y".
Ummm your previous post actually says “it’s not practical to only re-zone non-walkers”, however re-zoning non-walkers is exactly what is practical because the county doesn’t have enough buses to turn a bunch of walkers into bus riders. I just happen to think that in the specific situation of Einstein, Woodlin (which also has no walkers to Einstein) is more easily re-zoned than Singer. I find it highly unlikely that the schools with walkers to Einstein will be re-zoned, at most they may be split articulated so that the walkers still go to Einstein and the kids that were on buses anyway could get sent elsewhere.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
Yes, I think the IMAGINARY diversity first boundary might do that. The other poster is talking about real policy.
Perhaps you'd like to post the verbiage of the boundary policy so everyone can see what it says. We just need the 4 factors section.
It's been done many times already and clearly states all 4 factors carry equal weight.
It actually doesn't state that. It says that the BOE must especially strive to create more diverse schools.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
You know what's weird? I haven't seen a single "screech" or "east county progressive" on this thread. Everyone except you seems to be attempting to engage in a fact-based conversation about potential solutions to overcrowding in schools, and everyone except you seems to be willing to looking at past practice to see how the "diversity first" policy has played out in actual boundary discussions to date.
Please stop. You are derailing this thread (and other threads) with disinformation and fear-mongering that is not based on fact or on practice to date.
I'm the most knowledgeable person on this board when it comes to the boundary policy. I retroactively watched all the BOE meetings on the topic to see how we got here and everything I said is true. I just want people to know what's coming and to pish back hard against it of they don't like it which 95% of people don't (according to the boundary analysis). So you're either misinformed or are spreading misinformation to try to get people to stop paying attention just like the BOE did when they changed the boundary policy without notifying the public. Democracy dies in darkness.
you really need to put down the pipe
The pipes are in east county. I'm in a W school neighborhood.
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.
East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.
West county parents = no take backs
Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.
Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?
Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)
Lol nope, these are just PP's hot takes on using boundary changes to promote diversity. Many of us who support including diversity as one of four priorities have said multiple times on this thread that we know it will be on the margins and that it won't fix anything.
Segregation as it exists now wasn't created in a day. It won't be reversed in one either. It will take a long series of small, seemingly inconsequential decisions to be anti-racist in drawing boundaries. The alternative is to continue entrenching segregation.
Anti-racism. Just say you want discrimination against whites and Asians.
How specifically do you think I would want discrimination against whites and Asians?
Because you are championing anti-racism and anti-racism discriminates against races who do well which, in the US, is whites and Asians.
Translation: I am totally fine with discrimination against Black and Latino (and Asian people but that's a story for another thread) people but won't admit it's happening despite mountains of evidence, and pretend that any efforts to combat that discrimination are "anti-White racism."
Can we get back to discussing boundary studies please?
False. As a good liberal, I oppose all forms of discrimination, even against whites and Asians. As a progressive, you want discrimination as long as it's the correct kind of discrimination which is of course, illiberal. Progressivism has become more like a fundamentalist religion.
This thread is about boundary studies. If you want to make an argument that it is discriminatory to consider demographics as part of them, go right ahead. Once again, I'm sure you'll be pretending that the alternative is boundaries based purely on proximity rather than what we actually have now which are boundaries designed specifically to segregate White and other wealthy kids from low-income and BIPOC children.
Come on man. No one believes that, not even east county progressives. You just say that to justify busing. Are there a couple areas where this was done? Sure. Could those have been fixed by prioritizing proximity? Absolutely. Instead, unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without public notice to prioritize diversity. This could fix a few bad boundaries but it will create many more bad ones which is exactly what eadt county progressives want.
People (just you?) have spent years on DCUM claiming that the "especially diversity" language will mean that kids are being bussed from Kennedy to Whitman any day now, but we've been through several boundary studies since that time and every single time there have been options that prioritized diversity, and the Board has never even once chosen the option that maximized diversity. They've always balanced other factors.
When will you stop lying?
Typical progressive strawman. No on ever say Kennedy to Whitman would happen. But what WILL happen is a lot more kids from WJ bused to Einstein and vic versa. Now should SOME of those kid be moved for proximity reasons? Sure. Could that have been done if they prioritized proximity? Absolutely. But they didn't. They prioritized diversity so they could start busing.
WTF are they supposed to fit more kids at Einstein? You clearly aren't familiar with the school, it's already overcrowded. Maybe one ES feeder will get sent toWoodward. I think what's equally likely to happen is that DCC boundaries will shift slightly and some parts currently in the Einstein boundary (and maybe Blair) will shift to Northwood.
Imagine that there is a boundary study about to be conducted where they will move a lot of kids out of Einstein to schools like WJ, BCC, and Woodward and fills some of those seats with kids from WJ and BCC. This satisfies the diversity mandate and the capacity factor. It makes proximity worse but that's not as high a factor as diversity.
That makes no sense since the DCC schools are so overcrowded. If they are brave, they will move Woodlin ES, which is far from Einstein, to BCC,.and KPES, which is close.to Einstein,.to Einstein. Then they will move one, maybe two Einstein feeders, such as Flora Singer or Highland, to Northwood or Wheaton, and move one, maybe two Wheaton feeders, such as Viers Mill and Wheaton Woods,.to Woodward and/or WJ. Maybe they will.make BCC, WJ and Woodward part of the DCC, so anyone who doesn't want to travel there will can choose another school, but anyone zoned for those.schools.is still.guaranteed a spot there.
Was the Beach Drive closure part of the rationale here? We used to live right across the street from KP and driving out Beach Drive to Grosvenor made WJ a lot faster than Einstein would be.
Beach Drive is open during the week. I hope they don't move KP to Einstein but they might. I mostly hope they don't because my kid will start at WJ and then have to move and that sucks.
The diversity bus is definitely coming for you. Sorry. But east county progressives painted a target over Kensington years ago and constantly point to it as the reason they want busing.
In the case of Kensington it’s not the diversity bus so much as it would be re-zoning kids to the school closest to where they live.
Most of the other side of the tracks are closer to Einstein. It really depends on what part of Kensington for WJ. Einstein has no room to take on more Kensington kids.
They'll make room by busing poor kids OUT of Einstein.
Let’s call a spade a spade, if Highland is moved out of Einstein it drastically changes the school’s demographics. An Einstein composed of OTES, Rock View, Flora Singer and Parkwood is a completely different school.
If they are bold they will send OTES to Wheaton.
A good bit of it is walkable to Einstein.
Yes, you've posted this obvious point many times before. They will need to rezone a lot of "walkers" as part of this boundary study.
Why would they "need to"?
Because there are a lot of walkers in the DCC and a lot of overcrowding and it's not practical to only rezone the non-walkers. Woodlin should obviously be rezoned to BCC, but if you do that by itself you're increasing segregation, so you have to swap KPES in and take another school out. You can't send Flora Singer to Woodward, for example, that's ridiculous. You can maybe send it to Northwood? But then how do you alleviate the overcrowding at Blair?
To make your point about there being a lot of walkers in the DCC you actually just named 2 DCC schools that have no walkers. From MCPSs perspective Woodlin and Singer are more easily re-zoned because all of those kids are on buses anyway.
Where do you think they will send Flora Singer?
Flora Singer is further than many other of the ES, so I could not imagine they'd send them to Woodward.
All schools have walkers. Lots of busses too.
And I could not imagine a BOE prioritizing diversity above proximity, but here we are. So is that move makes Woodward more diverse, that's what's going to happen.
You mean there you are. The rest of us are here in the real world, where they consider all four factors, look at the tradeoffs, and more often than not, do not go with options which would have prioritized diversity.
No we ALL are. The diversity-first boundary policy affects everyone. And this study includes Kensington, the area progressives have been screeching about for years. The Crown study will include a few Wootton neighborhoods that progressives have also been screeching about. The diversity bus is coming for these areas and more. The severity of busing will depend on how much the BOE wants to virtue signal their progressive values when the decision is made.
You know what's weird? I haven't seen a single "screech" or "east county progressive" on this thread. Everyone except you seems to be attempting to engage in a fact-based conversation about potential solutions to overcrowding in schools, and everyone except you seems to be willing to looking at past practice to see how the "diversity first" policy has played out in actual boundary discussions to date.
Please stop. You are derailing this thread (and other threads) with disinformation and fear-mongering that is not based on fact or on practice to date.
I'm the most knowledgeable person on this board when it comes to the boundary policy. I retroactively watched all the BOE meetings on the topic to see how we got here and everything I said is true. I just want people to know what's coming and to pish back hard against it of they don't like it which 95% of people don't (according to the boundary analysis). So you're either misinformed or are spreading misinformation to try to get people to stop paying attention just like the BOE did when they changed the boundary policy without notifying the public. Democracy dies in darkness.
Delusions of grandeur are typically a sign that you may want to seek professional help.
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