Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the same time, MCPS needs to stay within budget without raising property taxes. They had to borrow from the retiree health trust this year to do that.

They just can’t keep spending, spending, spending. The busing, where provided for WALK ZONE students, is nothing but wasteful.

You keep posting this but you don't seem to care that the only options that don't rely on massive split articulations leave one high school 20% overcrowded while others are under capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every school should be required to have 20% farms. Logistically: set aside 20% of seats for low income moco kids. Low income Parents will apply and can be lotteried if necessary and busing will be handled. The remaining 80% can be walk zone. Done. No more playing favorites with rich-kid only schools. Will some schools still have more? sure. No more re-districting every few years. the fairness goes up and the burden is eased on the heavy farms schools. Moco only has 35% farms rate overall. This is a very wealthy county and easy to solve this issue.

For over 15 years, DCPS has been adding empty seats at coveted schools to a lottery for any other kid in DCPS to attend.

In this way you are not patronizing and telling parents at a high farms rate schools what is best for their child.

Most people even, those that don’t make a lot of money want their child to attend a school close to the home and where they are not a minority in many ways more than one. If they really want to attend a school with lots of AP offerings they can enter the lottery. MCPS is already doing this in some ways with its special programs. This is not hard to implement.

That makes so much sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every school should be required to have 20% farms. Logistically: set aside 20% of seats for low income moco kids. Low income Parents will apply and can be lotteried if necessary and busing will be handled. The remaining 80% can be walk zone. Done. No more playing favorites with rich-kid only schools. Will some schools still have more? sure. No more re-districting every few years. the fairness goes up and the burden is eased on the heavy farms schools. Moco only has 35% farms rate overall. This is a very wealthy county and easy to solve this issue.

For over 15 years, DCPS has been adding empty seats at coveted schools to a lottery for any other kid in DCPS to attend.

In this way you are not patronizing and telling parents at a high farms rate schools what is best for their child.

Most people even, those that don’t make a lot of money want their child to attend a school close to the home and where they are not a minority in many ways more than one. If they really want to attend a school with lots of AP offerings they can enter the lottery. MCPS is already doing this in some ways with its special programs. This is not hard to implement.

Why yes, MoCo should aspire to be more like DCPS, that's why so many families move to DC for the schools (especially MS and HS!)

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every school should be required to have 20% farms. Logistically: set aside 20% of seats for low income moco kids. Low income Parents will apply and can be lotteried if necessary and busing will be handled. The remaining 80% can be walk zone. Done. No more playing favorites with rich-kid only schools. Will some schools still have more? sure. No more re-districting every few years. the fairness goes up and the burden is eased on the heavy farms schools. Moco only has 35% farms rate overall. This is a very wealthy county and easy to solve this issue.

For over 15 years, DCPS has been adding empty seats at coveted schools to a lottery for any other kid in DCPS to attend.

In this way you are not patronizing and telling parents at a high farms rate schools what is best for their child.

Most people even, those that don’t make a lot of money want their child to attend a school close to the home and where they are not a minority in many ways more than one. If they really want to attend a school with lots of AP offerings they can enter the lottery. MCPS is already doing this in some ways with its special programs. This is not hard to implement.

Why yes, MoCo should aspire to be more like DCPS, that's why so many families move to DC for the schools (especially MS and HS!)

Yeah I wouldn’t aspire to DCPS.

Also the lotterying all offer the city creates a lot of tension. And relies on a public transportation system that is better than what’s available in the burbs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

They didn't achieve what you want because what you want is impossible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At the same time, MCPS needs to stay within budget without raising property taxes. They had to borrow from the retiree health trust this year to do that.

They just can’t keep spending, spending, spending. The busing, where provided for WALK ZONE students, is nothing but wasteful.

You keep posting this but you don't seem to care that the only options that don't rely on massive split articulations leave one high school 20% overcrowded while others are under capacity.

If you had to choose between split matriculations and overcrowding which would it be?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

They didn't achieve what you want because what you want is impossible.

Creating new walk zones regardless of current boundary lines is impossible?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

They didn't achieve what you want because what you want is impossible.

Which schools could not handle all kids within their walk zones? (Serious question). Wheaton?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

They didn't achieve what you want because what you want is impossible.

Creating new walk zones regardless of current boundary lines is impossible?

You know walk zones aren't just based on distance, right? It is a massive undertaking to identify these for multiple high schools. But what I am saying is impossible is to have all the students than could walk to a school be assigned to that school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every school should be required to have 20% farms. Logistically: set aside 20% of seats for low income moco kids. Low income Parents will apply and can be lotteried if necessary and busing will be handled. The remaining 80% can be walk zone. Done. No more playing favorites with rich-kid only schools. Will some schools still have more? sure. No more re-districting every few years. the fairness goes up and the burden is eased on the heavy farms schools. Moco only has 35% farms rate overall. This is a very wealthy county and easy to solve this issue.

I suspect this is oversimplifying but I agree with you in concept.

Yup. And some of your funding is directly tied to your farms rate and how far it's from average across county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At the same time, MCPS needs to stay within budget without raising property taxes. They had to borrow from the retiree health trust this year to do that.

They just can’t keep spending, spending, spending. The busing, where provided for WALK ZONE students, is nothing but wasteful.

You keep posting this but you don't seem to care that the only options that don't rely on massive split articulations leave one high school 20% overcrowded while others are under capacity.

My property taxes are already high. I don’t want an increase (again) to pay to bus kids who can walk. It is that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the same time, MCPS needs to stay within budget without raising property taxes. They had to borrow from the retiree health trust this year to do that.

They just can’t keep spending, spending, spending. The busing, where provided for WALK ZONE students, is nothing but wasteful.

In some cases they just can't. Or they can build a High school south of Blair. The county could also add a lot more ride on bus service to high schools to alleviate this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

They didn't achieve what you want because what you want is impossible.

Which schools could not handle all kids within their walk zones? (Serious question). Wheaton?

Honestly, just stay stupid. It will be easier for all of us.

Why….why is that a hard question? And why does it generate such condescension from you? Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

DP. Here are some current examples that I know of, and while I don't think these are "crimes," I do think the options should be trying to fix these and other instances of unnecessary bussing, and not creating additional instances:

Students who could walk to Wheaton are bussed to Northwood
Students who could walk to Wootton are bussed to RM
Students who could walk to QO are bussed to Northwest
Students who could walk to Sligo are bussed to SSIMS
Students who could walk to Westland are bussed to Pyle
Students who could walk to Silver Creek are bussed to North Bethesda

Feel free to draw your own maps to make all the students that could possibly walk to a nearby HS assigned to that school. And no, you don't get $180 million + land costs to build a new high school.

That is literally what MCPS is paying Flo Analytics to figure out. But they didn't, even in the options theoretically emphasizing proximity. They only used the existing boundaries' walk zones.

They didn't achieve what you want because what you want is impossible.

Which schools could not handle all kids within their walk zones? (Serious question). Wheaton?

Honestly, just stay stupid. It will be easier for all of us.

Blair. All the kids in Takoma don't have a HS to walk to. Where do they go? Bussed past Blair further north?