Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

[Anonymous]

Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

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I know one person who moved here from another state where child was in public school. After reading about our School Board's policies, they put kids in private.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

Yes parents too

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

We’ve been doing it the whole time.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

We’ve been doing it the whole time.

And parents’ job too…

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

We’ve been doing it the whole time.

And parents’ job too…

Nope. We are now in year 3 of very poorly behaved students entering school in our pre-k. We have kids flipping furniture over when they are told no, kids telling us to "f*&k off" and kids who have very low receptive and expressive vocabularies. Parents are giving their kids devices and it shows. One of our pre-k teachers can't even have her phone out in front of the students because so many of them are like moths to a flame. This is the third year we've had kids whose parents have to stay in the classroom with them because of extreme behaviors. More than one of them is always begging for their mom's phone. It's really bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former public school teacher who left my district mid year. I'm now in a high paying private school. I've asked around and the only people to leave this school mid year are those going on maternity leave. Of course, no place is perfect. My years no longer count toward my pension which means my pension will be significantly less than if I'd stayed in public. I get less prep time and less lunch time.

But the students display normal behaviors. No one is throwing things, causing the room to be evacuated. No one is threatening me, hitting me, kicking me. I'm not filling out copious amounts of documentation to prove a child might need an evaluation. The amount of testing and data entry has been reduced by 90%. I have so much help and support in the classroom. Class sizes are small. I'm trusted. The meetings I have to go to have purpose and meaning.

I can sleep on Sunday evenings, I'm no longer filled with anxiety so bad I need medication. Even with less prep time, I'm only working about 45-48 hours a week instead of 60-65. I am encouraged to take kids outside for a significant amount of planned and unplanned recess time. Teachers are generally happy in the building, which quite honestly is something I haven't seen in the last 10 years. I plan to stay until I'm at least 60.

There are no private schools in the area that pay more than public schools.I suspect this is a made-up post and I am on the side of teachers.

PP could be correct. FCPS caps the maximum entry step for teachers new to the system at year 13. You could definitely get a higher salary than that at a local private school.

A friend left the public schools and now teaches at a private. Her children now attend the school at a discounted rate. I don’t know how the pay compares, but I know she’s happier.

I was offered a job with MCPS when I decided to switch counties looking (hoping?) for a better environment. They would only honor 8 years of service, which was going to be a substantial pay cut. The private that hired me honored all 14 and offered to match my old salary. To the PP who asked about a $114K salary match, all I can say is it’s worth trying. If they can’t match it all, there many be some other incentives (drastically reduced tuition for children, good 403B matching, etc.).

I can promise you the conditions are so much better. I have administrators that actually support instead of hinder what I’m doing in the classroom. I have a lot more planning time during my school day. I am not subjected to pointless meetings, and I get to choose what PD is actually useful to me within the classroom. There is more accountability and more observations, but I’d argue that’s a GOOD thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former public school teacher who left my district mid year. I'm now in a high paying private school. I've asked around and the only people to leave this school mid year are those going on maternity leave. Of course, no place is perfect. My years no longer count toward my pension which means my pension will be significantly less than if I'd stayed in public. I get less prep time and less lunch time.

But the students display normal behaviors. No one is throwing things, causing the room to be evacuated. No one is threatening me, hitting me, kicking me. I'm not filling out copious amounts of documentation to prove a child might need an evaluation. The amount of testing and data entry has been reduced by 90%. I have so much help and support in the classroom. Class sizes are small. I'm trusted. The meetings I have to go to have purpose and meaning.

I can sleep on Sunday evenings, I'm no longer filled with anxiety so bad I need medication. Even with less prep time, I'm only working about 45-48 hours a week instead of 60-65. I am encouraged to take kids outside for a significant amount of planned and unplanned recess time. Teachers are generally happy in the building, which quite honestly is something I haven't seen in the last 10 years. I plan to stay until I'm at least 60.

There are no private schools in the area that pay more than public schools.I suspect this is a made-up post and I am on the side of teachers.

PP could be correct. FCPS caps the maximum entry step for teachers new to the system at year 13. You could definitely get a higher salary than that at a local private school.

A friend left the public schools and now teaches at a private. Her children now attend the school at a discounted rate. I don’t know how the pay compares, but I know she’s happier.

I was offered a job with MCPS when I decided to switch counties looking (hoping?) for a better environment. They would only honor 8 years of service, which was going to be a substantial pay cut. The private that hired me honored all 14 and offered to match my old salary. To the PP who asked about a $114K salary match, all I can say is it’s worth trying. If they can’t match it all, there many be some other incentives (drastically reduced tuition for children, good 403B matching, etc.).

I can promise you the conditions are so much better. I have administrators that actually support instead of hinder what I’m doing in the classroom. I have a lot more planning time during my school day. I am not subjected to pointless meetings, and I get to choose what PD is actually useful to me within the classroom. There is more accountability and more observations, but I’d argue that’s a GOOD thing.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

We’ve been doing it the whole time.

And parents’ job too…

yup....who has time to teach when we have to parent. And everyone is surprised we have a shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-worker-loves-new-job-burning-out-teaching-2023-1

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Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-worker-loves-new-job-burning-out-teaching-2023-1

I’m an ES teacher. From the article it sounds like she taught for 5 years between private and public. Assuming she now makes at least $50k a year, that would be $25 an hour 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year (2,000 hours). Does Costco start people of at $25 an hour? Perhaps they do. I don’t know what their health and retirement benefits are like.

It says she pursued her PhD, so I assume she has a MA degree. In FCPS on step 4 that would be $67,945. Costco would have to pay $34/hour for the 2,000 hours to match that and that’s with only two weeks off.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

We’ve been doing it the whole time.

A lot of parents haven’t been.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry teachers are expected to actually do their jobs again.

We’ve been doing it the whole time.

And parents’ job too…

Nope. We are now in year 3 of very poorly behaved students entering school in our pre-k. We have kids flipping furniture over when they are told no, kids telling us to "f*&k off" and kids who have very low receptive and expressive vocabularies. Parents are giving their kids devices and it shows. One of our pre-k teachers can't even have her phone out in front of the students because so many of them are like moths to a flame. This is the third year we've had kids whose parents have to stay in the classroom with them because of extreme behaviors. More than one of them is always begging for their mom's phone. It's really bad.

+1000 - A lot of kids have working parents who are exhausted by their jobs and have little to no time for themselves, so I understand why this has happened, but it has made teachers jobs so much more difficult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-worker-loves-new-job-burning-out-teaching-2023-1

I’m an ES teacher. From the article it sounds like she taught for 5 years between private and public. Assuming she now makes at least $50k a year, that would be $25 an hour 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year (2,000 hours). Does Costco start people of at $25 an hour? Perhaps they do. I don’t know what their health and retirement benefits are like.

It says she pursued her PhD, so I assume she has a MA degree. In FCPS on step 4 that would be $67,945. Costco would have to pay $34/hour for the 2,000 hours to match that and that’s with only two weeks off.

I don't think they start people at $25/hr but I've heard around 20, and as a non-exempt she could get overtime for hours over 40, vs. the 60 per week she was working before. This is in contrast to teachers who are paid (at least in FCPS) on the basis of a theoretical 7.5 hour day. The job creep she talks about is no joke, as all our planning time is taken up with meetings and other duties, and we're expected to be regularly available after contract hours, and do grading and other administrative tasks on our own time (I'm on my second day of grading this weekend already). We also have this huge overhead of specialists who spend most of their time justifying their jobs by micromanaging us and giving us more things to do and reports to fill out based on the latest teaching fad pushed by a consultant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this happening anywhere else? My DC's ES has has have five teachers resign mid year. Is this normal? What is happening?!

https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-worker-loves-new-job-burning-out-teaching-2023-1

I’m an ES teacher. From the article it sounds like she taught for 5 years between private and public. Assuming she now makes at least $50k a year, that would be $25 an hour 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year (2,000 hours). Does Costco start people of at $25 an hour? Perhaps they do. I don’t know what their health and retirement benefits are like.

It says she pursued her PhD, so I assume she has a MA degree. In FCPS on step 4 that would be $67,945. Costco would have to pay $34/hour for the 2,000 hours to match that and that’s with only two weeks off.

I don't think they start people at $25/hr but I've heard around 20, and as a non-exempt she could get overtime for hours over 40, vs. the 60 per week she was working before. This is in contrast to teachers who are paid (at least in FCPS) on the basis of a theoretical 7.5 hour day. The job creep she talks about is no joke, as all our planning time is taken up with meetings and other duties, and we're expected to be regularly available after contract hours, and do grading and other administrative tasks on our own time (I'm on my second day of grading this weekend already). We also have this huge overhead of specialists who spend most of their time justifying their jobs by micromanaging us and giving us more things to do and reports to fill out based on the latest teaching fad pushed by a consultant.

Oh, I get it. I mentioned I’m an ES teacher. What I’m thinking though is that in this article she says she can finally pay her bills. That might make sense depending on where she is in FL. If a teacher is having difficulty making ends meet in Fairfax County with its COL, I don’t think switching to Costco at $20 or $25/hour (even with overtime pay) is going to be much better.