ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

There is no perfect solution. There's someone on my kid's team with a sept birthday BUT they are in the grade above most that age (sorta the old school thinking of being earlier vs. later). While there may be an advantage to play at the top of the age group, the SY soccer year doesn't align with now the kid's current grade, which if they stay with, there will be even older kids and may actually cause a disadvantage.

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Anonymous wrote:OR parents would avoid leagues with cheater rules and a 14 month RAE window.

you clowns with all the "cheater" talk. True morons that don't understand the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Alright let’s hear it. Give your best guess when ECNL (not us club) and GA/MLSN announce what their plans are for 26/27?

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My guess is Sept 19 for ECNL and Aug 8 for GA.

What do you mean by “plans” for 26/27? ECNL is literally required to have school year registration in 26/27 - by US Club Soccer. The only announcement USCS / ECNL could make is exceptions for Q4s to play down in 25/26. My guess is nothing will happen with that.

seeing how they already have trapped player exceptions, those details are important

The details about 25/26 transitional rules are literally the only reason to keep this thread going.

But the question was when ECNL is going to make an announcement about its plan for 26/27. There's really nothing to announce - unless they decide to use GY at the older ages for showcases (not a terribly important issue).

Theres also a good chance ECNL and GA will implement some kind of exemption rule for trapped players born between 7/1 and 9/1. By doing this trapped players are completely eliminated.

Also leagues might do some kind of GY accommodation for regrade type situations when players are in their Junior and Senior years of HS and beyond.

With these two accommodations all edge cases are addressed and changing to SY from BY actually makes sense because you're getting something better which means less parent complaints.

There is zero chance … keep dreaming.

I wouldn't say a good chance, or zero chance, but probably somewhere in the middle.

I'd say theres a very good chance of it happening. A league would get a RAE advantage and no trapped players which means less complaining parents. Allowing regrades when players are juniors and seniors means even less complaining by parents. Or more if your kid gets benched because of a regrade.

5% chance or less of anything other than a strict cutoff happening.

Think about what would happen if ECNL was strict 9/1 and GA did something like SY+60.

First every older trapped player would likely go to a GA club.

Second, GA clubs would have a 2 month RAE advantage over ECNL clubs.

I'd say that theres a HUGE incentive to do SY+60. Its even more of an advantage if the other leagues stayed a strict 9/1.

There would be no mythical advantage over other leagues. This would ensure even less play against teams in other organizations. Events would have to set the age restrictions, GA teams would have to not roster certain players for certain events or the other organization would add in other players for those events. That would piss way too many people off.

No, what would happen is GA club tournaments would allow ECNL clubs no issues. Assuming that ECNL stuck to a hard 9/1.

ECNL club tournaments would allow GA clubs with a 14 month window as is because clubs want money more than they care about perceived "fairness".

If GA parents started asking like ECNL hats they would jump online and post about how ECNL teams were "scared" to compete in GA tournaments.

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Anonymous wrote:OR parents would avoid leagues with cheater rules and a 14 month RAE window.

you clowns with all the "cheater" talk. True morons that don't understand the world.

I dont consider kids born 2 months before 9/1 and in a school district that starts before 9/1 cheaters.

I do consider kids who's parents held them back in school (regrades) so they can be the biggest ones on the team cheaters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no perfect solution. There's someone on my kid's team with a sept birthday BUT they are in the grade above most that age (sorta the old school thinking of being earlier vs. later). While there may be an advantage to play at the top of the age group, the SY soccer year doesn't align with now the kid's current grade, which if they stay with, there will be even older kids and may actually cause a disadvantage.

There is a perfect solution its called SY+60

- Eliminates all trapped players
- Doesn't allow regrades to play down for wins
- Works will all clubs across the nation
- Allows clubs from states with different school start dates to play each other

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Anonymous wrote:Alright let’s hear it. Give your best guess when ECNL (not us club) and GA/MLSN announce what their plans are for 26/27?

Comment with your best guest winner gets a high five!

My guess is Sept 19 for ECNL and Aug 8 for GA.

What do you mean by “plans” for 26/27? ECNL is literally required to have school year registration in 26/27 - by US Club Soccer. The only announcement USCS / ECNL could make is exceptions for Q4s to play down in 25/26. My guess is nothing will happen with that.

seeing how they already have trapped player exceptions, those details are important

The details about 25/26 transitional rules are literally the only reason to keep this thread going.

But the question was when ECNL is going to make an announcement about its plan for 26/27. There's really nothing to announce - unless they decide to use GY at the older ages for showcases (not a terribly important issue).

Details about 25/26 transition and what GA is going to do is what's keeping this thread alive. And when we get some info on either, we will be at 1,500 in no time!

We are also awaiting MLSNext 1 and 2 plans regarding SY/BY.

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Anonymous wrote:OR parents would avoid leagues with cheater rules and a 14 month RAE window.

you clowns with all the "cheater" talk. True morons that don't understand the world.

I dont consider kids born 2 months before 9/1 and in a school district that starts before 9/1 cheaters.

I do consider kids who's parents held them back in school (regrades) so they can be the biggest ones on the team cheaters.

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Anonymous wrote:Alright let’s hear it. Give your best guess when ECNL (not us club) and GA/MLSN announce what their plans are for 26/27?

Comment with your best guest winner gets a high five!

My guess is Sept 19 for ECNL and Aug 8 for GA.

What do you mean by “plans” for 26/27? ECNL is literally required to have school year registration in 26/27 - by US Club Soccer. The only announcement USCS / ECNL could make is exceptions for Q4s to play down in 25/26. My guess is nothing will happen with that.

seeing how they already have trapped player exceptions, those details are important

The details about 25/26 transitional rules are literally the only reason to keep this thread going.

But the question was when ECNL is going to make an announcement about its plan for 26/27. There's really nothing to announce - unless they decide to use GY at the older ages for showcases (not a terribly important issue).

Theres also a good chance ECNL and GA will implement some kind of exemption rule for trapped players born between 7/1 and 9/1. By doing this trapped players are completely eliminated.

Also leagues might do some kind of GY accommodation for regrade type situations when players are in their Junior and Senior years of HS and beyond.

With these two accommodations all edge cases are addressed and changing to SY from BY actually makes sense because you're getting something better which means less parent complaints.

There is zero chance … keep dreaming.

100% chance of this at U18/U19. It's why they have U19 now. Hard to say on whether they implement anything similar at younger age groups.

It will be GY for U19 anyone in high school will be eligible to play.

[Anonymous]

Why don't school districts just change to make school years align with birth years? problem solved

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no perfect solution. There's someone on my kid's team with a sept birthday BUT they are in the grade above most that age (sorta the old school thinking of being earlier vs. later). While there may be an advantage to play at the top of the age group, the SY soccer year doesn't align with now the kid's current grade, which if they stay with, there will be even older kids and may actually cause a disadvantage.

They will have to choose there’s also a chance they get bumped from the team anyways because of older players.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no perfect solution. There's someone on my kid's team with a sept birthday BUT they are in the grade above most that age (sorta the old school thinking of being earlier vs. later). While there may be an advantage to play at the top of the age group, the SY soccer year doesn't align with now the kid's current grade, which if they stay with, there will be even older kids and may actually cause a disadvantage.

There is a perfect solution its called SY+60

- Eliminates all trapped players
- Doesn't allow regrades to play down for wins
- Works will all clubs across the nation
- Allows clubs from states with different school start dates to play each other

To me that’s just a slippery slope similar to NIL in college. Once you make accommodations for +30/60 with time you risk falling into Grad Year because at what point does it turn into just keeping kids in the same grade together regardless of when they were born.

My opinion is we go with strict 1 year age groupings and only for U18/19 allow for grad year so kids who are in high school can still play which is the primary reason us soccer allowed the switch is that more kids can/want to play.

I would be surprised if we get grad year style groupings over the next 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Alright let’s hear it. Give your best guess when ECNL (not us club) and GA/MLSN announce what their plans are for 26/27?

Comment with your best guest winner gets a high five!

My guess is Sept 19 for ECNL and Aug 8 for GA.

What do you mean by “plans” for 26/27? ECNL is literally required to have school year registration in 26/27 - by US Club Soccer. The only announcement USCS / ECNL could make is exceptions for Q4s to play down in 25/26. My guess is nothing will happen with that.

seeing how they already have trapped player exceptions, those details are important

The details about 25/26 transitional rules are literally the only reason to keep this thread going.

But the question was when ECNL is going to make an announcement about its plan for 26/27. There's really nothing to announce - unless they decide to use GY at the older ages for showcases (not a terribly important issue).

Theres also a good chance ECNL and GA will implement some kind of exemption rule for trapped players born between 7/1 and 9/1. By doing this trapped players are completely eliminated.

Also leagues might do some kind of GY accommodation for regrade type situations when players are in their Junior and Senior years of HS and beyond.

With these two accommodations all edge cases are addressed and changing to SY from BY actually makes sense because you're getting something better which means less parent complaints.

No need, they already have a trapped player rule. So they are good to go with 9/1.

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Anonymous wrote:Alright let’s hear it. Give your best guess when ECNL (not us club) and GA/MLSN announce what their plans are for 26/27?

Comment with your best guest winner gets a high five!

My guess is Sept 19 for ECNL and Aug 8 for GA.

What do you mean by “plans” for 26/27? ECNL is literally required to have school year registration in 26/27 - by US Club Soccer. The only announcement USCS / ECNL could make is exceptions for Q4s to play down in 25/26. My guess is nothing will happen with that.

seeing how they already have trapped player exceptions, those details are important

The details about 25/26 transitional rules are literally the only reason to keep this thread going.

But the question was when ECNL is going to make an announcement about its plan for 26/27. There's really nothing to announce - unless they decide to use GY at the older ages for showcases (not a terribly important issue).

Theres also a good chance ECNL and GA will implement some kind of exemption rule for trapped players born between 7/1 and 9/1. By doing this trapped players are completely eliminated.

Also leagues might do some kind of GY accommodation for regrade type situations when players are in their Junior and Senior years of HS and beyond.

With these two accommodations all edge cases are addressed and changing to SY from BY actually makes sense because you're getting something better which means less parent complaints.

It’s SY+60 guy. Yeah they might accommodate Jan to August birthdays so they can play down too. What a knucklehead.

What is SY+60?

Stupid yearning by an over 60 year old man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Alright let’s hear it. Give your best guess when ECNL (not us club) and GA/MLSN announce what their plans are for 26/27?

Comment with your best guest winner gets a high five!

My guess is Sept 19 for ECNL and Aug 8 for GA.

What do you mean by “plans” for 26/27? ECNL is literally required to have school year registration in 26/27 - by US Club Soccer. The only announcement USCS / ECNL could make is exceptions for Q4s to play down in 25/26. My guess is nothing will happen with that.

seeing how they already have trapped player exceptions, those details are important

The details about 25/26 transitional rules are literally the only reason to keep this thread going.

But the question was when ECNL is going to make an announcement about its plan for 26/27. There's really nothing to announce - unless they decide to use GY at the older ages for showcases (not a terribly important issue).

Theres also a good chance ECNL and GA will implement some kind of exemption rule for trapped players born between 7/1 and 9/1. By doing this trapped players are completely eliminated.

Also leagues might do some kind of GY accommodation for regrade type situations when players are in their Junior and Senior years of HS and beyond.

With these two accommodations all edge cases are addressed and changing to SY from BY actually makes sense because you're getting something better which means less parent complaints.

There is zero chance … keep dreaming.

I agree zero percent chance this happens

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no perfect solution. There's someone on my kid's team with a sept birthday BUT they are in the grade above most that age (sorta the old school thinking of being earlier vs. later). While there may be an advantage to play at the top of the age group, the SY soccer year doesn't align with now the kid's current grade, which if they stay with, there will be even older kids and may actually cause a disadvantage.

There is a perfect solution its called SY+60

- Eliminates all trapped players
- Doesn't allow regrades to play down for wins
- Works will all clubs across the nation
- Allows clubs from states with different school start dates to play each other

SY+60 does nothing for the kid in the example I cited, except perhaps force them to play with a grade below (which may happen anyway if it's a fixed date).