Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

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The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD has 10 minute bus ride to WJ. It would be 45 to Kennedy or walk to Woodward, depending on the option MCPS selects.

So you are saying going to Kennedy adds 35 minutes? How do you figure that? It is a straight shot on Randolph against traffic.

Yeah this was just a bald-faced lie

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

But purposefully hurting kids educational outcomes should be something a school district contemplates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

But purposefully hurting kids educational outcomes should be something a school district contemplates.

Go ahead, threaten to protest being zoned to a school you can't walk to by enrolling your kid in a private school that is a 45 minute drive from your house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

Are you comparing the bus ride to Kennedy versus the walk to Woodward? That’s the comparison to make. Most of Farmland is WALK ZONE to WOODWARD!

Stop shouting. I was comparing the current drive time to WJ.

Pull yourself together, woman.

Why make that comparison? It’s not the reality. Same for Garrett Park to Wheaton. Garrett Park can WALK to WOODWARD or be bused to Wheaton.

Sorry for all CAPS level of frustration, but why move 2/3 of walk zone students to schools they would need to be bused to.

Woodward is centrally located for the neighborhoods it once served long ago before being merged with WJ. Those neighborhoods are Farmland, Garrett Park, Luxmanor, and Viers Mills.

It is also centrally located to all the new development in White Flint. But MCPS apparently wants to send all those kids to Wheaton, which is already over utilized to solve demographic issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

Lots of kids can walk to Blair but are bused to Northwood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

But purposefully hurting kids educational outcomes should be something a school district contemplates.

Go ahead, threaten to protest being zoned to a school you can't walk to by enrolling your kid in a private school that is a 45 minute drive from your house.

I would just move but why don’t you care about educational outcomes? And the long bus rides would t just be for kids that conceivably could afford private. Take the section of Rosemary Hills that would be bused to WJ, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

oh and the longer the WMATA bus ride, the more stops. MCPS buses obviously have multiple stops, but they operate very differently than WMATA buses and you know it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

Why are you blatantly lying? They aren't indicative at all.

[Anonymous]

They are just trying to shift the deck chairs around here. Literally makes no sense to send WALK ZONE Woodward students anywhere but Woodward. Don’t care who else goes to Woodward.

Has anytime thought through the climate change issues of all that unnecessary driving? I know there are stats you can look at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

But purposefully hurting kids educational outcomes should be something a school district contemplates.

Go ahead, threaten to protest being zoned to a school you can't walk to by enrolling your kid in a private school that is a 45 minute drive from your house.

I would just move but why don’t you care about educational outcomes? And the long bus rides would t just be for kids that conceivably could afford private. Take the section of Rosemary Hills that would be bused to WJ, for example.

I think they'll be fine and choosing private is their right.