Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

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The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

Are you comparing the bus ride to Kennedy versus the walk to Woodward? That’s the comparison to make. Most of Farmland is WALK ZONE to WOODWARD!

Stop shouting. I was comparing the current drive time to WJ.

Pull yourself together, woman.

Why make that comparison? It’s not the reality. Same for Garrett Park to Wheaton. Garrett Park can WALK to WOODWARD or be bused to Wheaton.

Sorry for all CAPS level of frustration, but why move 2/3 of walk zone students to schools they would need to be bused to.

Woodward is centrally located for the neighborhoods it once served long ago before being merged with WJ. Those neighborhoods are Farmland, Garrett Park, Luxmanor, and Viers Mills.

It is also centrally located to all the new development in White Flint. But MCPS apparently wants to send all those kids to Wheaton, which is already over utilized to solve demographic issues.

None of the options send all of the kids near Woodward to Wheaton.

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Anonymous wrote:Many wealthy school PTSA’s have foundations as well, funded by family contributions. Schools with less wealth certainly don’t have those and barely have PTSA’s. Some high schools have long-standing booster clubs with a lot of support. Others do not.

Yes the PTA variability is wild to me and I'm sure I don't even know the half of it. We were at a Title I elementary school and the PTA was very small, very low budget. We moved and are at a nearby ES (still downcounty) and the PTA is huge with a lot of participation and great fundraising. Relatedly, I'm still sorry this boundary study did not include elementary schools.

Most PTAs in West County do not raise that much money. Yes, volunteerism is high. It’s easy to walk down the street to school and meet your neighbors. Is that what you want to take away? That is evil.

My kid attended the magnet program at Blair. I did not volunteer as it was too far away. At my childrens’ elementary school I was on the board of the PTA for 10 years. It was convenient to go to school events.

It is the volunteering that makes the difference, not just the money. And volunteers raise the money of course. We wouldn’t be able to drive 45 minutes to volunteer. That would all stop.

Our fundraisers take literally hundreds of volunteers. That’s how it happens. Other schools can do the same.

*other schools where parents have the time and flexibility to make that kind of volunteer commitment -- not all schools have hundreds of parents who have that option.

+1 you all are not paying your cleaning and gardening service providers enough and they need to work second & third jobs to make ends meet

Yikes with the stereotypes

It's a "stereotype" that West county families hire out cleaning and gardening? It's a "stereotype" that Latino families living in East county are doing these jobs? It's a "stereotype" that these jobs do not pay well enough to allow people to get by on 40 hours of work a week?

No the stereotype is that all of the people in the poorer school districts are cleaners and gardeners who can’t volunteer.

Three quarters of Wheaton HS students have ever received FARMS. Similar at Northwood and Kennedy. There are really not that many parents there working flexible white collar jobs or with a SAHM that isn't caring for babies/toddlers. And it is not just the parents that are busy. The teens are working after school jobs or caring for younger siblings. That is why they are not organizing clubs. Smh

Wheaton has clubs but no marching band. Other schools have few clubs.

Okay but none of the W schools have marching band. None at WJ, Whitman, BCC, Wootton… It’s something that in my opinion great music directors create, but it’s not just about money.

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Anonymous wrote:So if longer bus rides = worse educational outcomes (on average) why do you want generally increased bus ride length? On average that’s going to hurt kids in the district.

Not sure who you’re talking to. I personally don’t necessarily want that. But I also recognize bus rides are only one factor in educational outcomes. Ignoring all of the other factors and only concentrating on bus rides doesn’t make any sense.

Also, there’s no data to show that any options increase bus rides ON AVERAGE. You’re just worried that they might increase your kid’s bus ride. Which is fair. But might not contemplate the greater good.

No study yet, but moving two neighborhoods that are currently bused to WJ but would be walk zone to Woodward must be reflected accurately. The county could actually REDUCE busing by sending walk zone kids to Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:Many wealthy school PTSA’s have foundations as well, funded by family contributions. Schools with less wealth certainly don’t have those and barely have PTSA’s. Some high schools have long-standing booster clubs with a lot of support. Others do not.

Yes the PTA variability is wild to me and I'm sure I don't even know the half of it. We were at a Title I elementary school and the PTA was very small, very low budget. We moved and are at a nearby ES (still downcounty) and the PTA is huge with a lot of participation and great fundraising. Relatedly, I'm still sorry this boundary study did not include elementary schools.

Most PTAs in West County do not raise that much money. Yes, volunteerism is high. It’s easy to walk down the street to school and meet your neighbors. Is that what you want to take away? That is evil.

My kid attended the magnet program at Blair. I did not volunteer as it was too far away. At my childrens’ elementary school I was on the board of the PTA for 10 years. It was convenient to go to school events.

It is the volunteering that makes the difference, not just the money. And volunteers raise the money of course. We wouldn’t be able to drive 45 minutes to volunteer. That would all stop.

Our fundraisers take literally hundreds of volunteers. That’s how it happens. Other schools can do the same.

*other schools where parents have the time and flexibility to make that kind of volunteer commitment -- not all schools have hundreds of parents who have that option.

+1 you all are not paying your cleaning and gardening service providers enough and they need to work second & third jobs to make ends meet

Yikes with the stereotypes

It's a "stereotype" that West county families hire out cleaning and gardening? It's a "stereotype" that Latino families living in East county are doing these jobs? It's a "stereotype" that these jobs do not pay well enough to allow people to get by on 40 hours of work a week?

No the stereotype is that all of the people in the poorer school districts are cleaners and gardeners who can’t volunteer.

Three quarters of Wheaton HS students have ever received FARMS. Similar at Northwood and Kennedy. There are really not that many parents there working flexible white collar jobs or with a SAHM that isn't caring for babies/toddlers. And it is not just the parents that are busy. The teens are working after school jobs or caring for younger siblings. That is why they are not organizing clubs. Smh

Wheaton has clubs but no marching band. Other schools have few clubs.

Okay but none of the W schools have marching band. None at WJ, Whitman, BCC, Wootton… It’s something that in my opinion great music directors create, but it’s not just about money.

Pretty sure Wootton has marching band and in fact take kids from other schools, if anyone is interested.

WJ has an awfully cool drum line.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

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The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

Are you comparing the bus ride to Kennedy versus the walk to Woodward? That’s the comparison to make. Most of Farmland is WALK ZONE to WOODWARD!

Stop shouting. I was comparing the current drive time to WJ.

Pull yourself together, woman.

Why make that comparison? It’s not the reality. Same for Garrett Park to Wheaton. Garrett Park can WALK to WOODWARD or be bused to Wheaton.

Sorry for all CAPS level of frustration, but why move 2/3 of walk zone students to schools they would need to be bused to.

Woodward is centrally located for the neighborhoods it once served long ago before being merged with WJ. Those neighborhoods are Farmland, Garrett Park, Luxmanor, and Viers Mills.

It is also centrally located to all the new development in White Flint. But MCPS apparently wants to send all those kids to Wheaton, which is already over utilized to solve demographic issues.

None of the options send all of the kids near Woodward to Wheaton.

Hello - option 3 sends Garrett Park to Wheaton

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Anonymous wrote:DD has 10 minute bus ride to WJ. It would be 45 to Kennedy or walk to Woodward, depending on the option MCPS selects.

So you are saying going to Kennedy adds 35 minutes? How do you figure that? It is a straight shot on Randolph against traffic.

Plus a few bottlenecks, including a busy train track crossing.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

Why are you blatantly lying? They aren't indicative at all.

They are more indicative than a personal vehicle. You’re being silly. Buses have to stop more than private vehicles, and longer bus rides have more stops. Those things are not true of personal passenger vehicles.

And wmata is still the accurate timeframe for parents without individual trnasportation (or kids missing the school bus).

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Anonymous wrote:DD has 10 minute bus ride to WJ. It would be 45 to Kennedy or walk to Woodward, depending on the option MCPS selects.

So you are saying going to Kennedy adds 35 minutes? How do you figure that? It is a straight shot on Randolph against traffic.

Plus a few bottlenecks, including a busy train track crossing.

I go that way every week with traffic and only rarely get stuck waiting for a train and even then it does not add that much time.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

Why are you blatantly lying? They aren't indicative at all.

They are more indicative than a personal vehicle. You’re being silly. Buses have to stop more than private vehicles, and longer bus rides have more stops. Those things are not true of personal passenger vehicles.

And wmata is still the accurate timeframe for parents without individual trnasportation (or kids missing the school bus).

So we are clear on this, it would take ONE HOUR AND TWELVE MINUTES to get from Farmland to Kennedy on public transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

Why are you blatantly lying? They aren't indicative at all.

They are more indicative than a personal vehicle. You’re being silly. Buses have to stop more than private vehicles, and longer bus rides have more stops. Those things are not true of personal passenger vehicles.

And wmata is still the accurate timeframe for parents without individual trnasportation (or kids missing the school bus).

We are going to have to agree to disagree that the time to take a WMATA/Ride on bus from point A to point B is indicative of the time to take an MCPS bus. Depending on where you are walking from one or the other could be significantly shorter or longer. For the WMATA or ride on buses the differences are often less about distance than they are about routes.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

Why are you blatantly lying? They aren't indicative at all.

They are more indicative than a personal vehicle. You’re being silly. Buses have to stop more than private vehicles, and longer bus rides have more stops. Those things are not true of personal passenger vehicles.

And wmata is still the accurate timeframe for parents without individual trnasportation (or kids missing the school bus).

So we are clear on this, it would take ONE HOUR AND TWELVE MINUTES to get from Farmland to Kennedy on public transportation.

Yes, when you have to change buses that adds a lot of time to your commute. Have you never had to change buses?

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

Lots of kids can walk to Blair but are bused to Northwood.

Blair and Northwood are a ~1 mile walk from each other, so which kids are you talking about?

Oh, the ones that are bussed to Woodward right now while Northwood is being rebuilt?

Honestly, you couldn't have picked a more dishonest example that perfectly illustrates the absurdity here. It sucks that those kids are bussed to Woodward and it will be awesome when they can go back to Northwood, which is what they all want!

"Senior Madison Riggs, however, said she’s seen a decline in student morale because of the bare walls and the long commute time from Silver Spring that can be exacerbated by traffic. The distance from Northwood to Woodward is 9 miles." - https://bethesdamagazine.com/2024/11/16/woodward-still-facing-challenges-northwood-moved-in/

Why you would wish busing on anyone is beyond me. Don't listen to us, listen to the kids. No situation is perfect, but why make it worse?

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Anonymous wrote:I think most people can agree that going from a 30 to a 40 minute bus ride is really not the end of the world.

But some of these contemplate going from zero bus to 45 min.

It has already been explained numerous times to you that high schools are not perfectly located across the county. Currently, many students are bussed to schools even though they could walk to another school nearby. That is not a crime. It is life. Life is hard sometimes.

Beyond the oft-cited example of Kensington and Einstein HS, where are the "many" other places this happens?

Lots of kids can walk to Blair but are bused to Northwood.

Blair and Northwood are a ~1 mile walk from each other, so which kids are you talking about?

Oh, the ones that are bussed to Woodward right now while Northwood is being rebuilt?

Honestly, you couldn't have picked a more dishonest example that perfectly illustrates the absurdity here. It sucks that those kids are bussed to Woodward and it will be awesome when they can go back to Northwood, which is what they all want!

"Senior Madison Riggs, however, said she’s seen a decline in student morale because of the bare walls and the long commute time from Silver Spring that can be exacerbated by traffic. The distance from Northwood to Woodward is 9 miles." - https://bethesdamagazine.com/2024/11/16/woodward-still-facing-challenges-northwood-moved-in/

Why you would wish busing on anyone is beyond me. Don't listen to us, listen to the kids. No situation is perfect, but why make it worse?

Amen to that. Also still waiting on those "many" examples.

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Anonymous wrote:DD has 10 minute bus ride to WJ. It would be 45 to Kennedy or walk to Woodward, depending on the option MCPS selects.

So you are saying going to Kennedy adds 35 minutes? How do you figure that? It is a straight shot on Randolph against traffic.

Plus a few bottlenecks, including a busy train track crossing.

I go that way every week with traffic and only rarely get stuck waiting for a train and even then it does not add that much time.

MARC train is fast but those freight trains take forever.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a research overview from the progressive Urban Institute discussing how busing (and reliance on public transportation) has disparate impacts by income:

https://housingmatters.urban.org/articles/how-students-transportation-options-or-lack-thereof-affect-educational-and-health-outcomes

This is interesting since it doesn't say not to bus... but just, essentially, to bus better. That might be a good question for BoE as they're making their final decisions. How can transportation be improved?

o

The literature in general says that having a bus (versus no bus) with a shortish (under 45 min) ride can help low income kids attend school, but that longer bus rides (over 45 min) lead to poorer outcomes.

In the context of what’s proposed, it would all seem to increase bus ride length (on average). Obviously some of those rides would be very long, particularly factoring in traffic. I don’t see an option contemplates to descrease bus ride length (on average).

How long are bus rides currently? I played around with google maps during rush hour and the drive times are not as different as you'd think. For the Farmland ES neighborhood for example it is about 10 minutes longer. And they would be going against traffic. Of course, bus rides are longer than car rides.

On google maps you can choose the bus option. While that’s the public transportation option, it’s probably more indicative of time. And it would be accurate for a parent without private transportation having to go to the school for whatever reason.

Yeah as someone who takes WMATA/Ride on buses from time to time, that's ridiculous.

What? Why? I take WMATA regularly and find it accurate for time.

Do you really need this explained to you? The WMATA bus times are entirely dependent on routes. The MCPS buses are not going to involve 20 minute walks to the bus stops and changing buses.

Why are you so pissy? And maybe read what I wrote. I said wmata would be more indicative of school bus times. Calm down.

Why are you blatantly lying? They aren't indicative at all.

They are more indicative than a personal vehicle. You’re being silly. Buses have to stop more than private vehicles, and longer bus rides have more stops. Those things are not true of personal passenger vehicles.

And wmata is still the accurate timeframe for parents without individual trnasportation (or kids missing the school bus).

So we are clear on this, it would take ONE HOUR AND TWELVE MINUTES to get from Farmland to Kennedy on public transportation.

Yes, when you have to change buses that adds a lot of time to your commute. Have you never had to change buses?

I’m all about the public transportation. But there are many international and FARMS families within Farmland who will need to take the bus to Kennedy. And yes kids will certainly miss the MCPS bus.