Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

The biggest hazard to kids at school drop-off is parents dropping off in cars, double parking, blocking crosswalks, doing stupid u-turns backing into crosswalks, parking in the setback and impeding visibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

Brilliant idea. Let's cut off Reno, Nebraska, access to Beach, and access to the buses in Tenleytown. What could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:on the DDOT concept plans it looks like ALL of the bustops in Woodley park are being "consolidated" so there will be 1 bus stop in cleveland park near the bridge and then none until you get to the bus stops at the metro - am i reading the DDOT website wrong?

I have better things to do with my time but can't let this uninformed comment go without a response with some actual facts.

All of the slides of the draft proposals are here:

https://ddot.dc.gov/page/connecticut-avenue-nw-reversible-lane-safety-and-operations-study

Concept Map 1 covers covers the 2 blocks from Calvert to Woodley and shows 2 proposed bus stops on each side of the road.

Concept Map 2 covers the 2 blocks from Woodley to Hawthorn and shows 1 bus stop on each side of the road.

Concept Map 3 covers the 3 blocks from Hawthorn to Macomb and includes 2 bus stops on each side of the road - one of these blocks is over the Klingle Valley trail and doesn't even have any buildings on it and hence no bus stops.

I'm not going to do your work for you and look up the rest of the corridor but that is 5 bus stops over 7 blocks, one block of which has nothing on it.

We don't need to rely on speculation and wild guesses here - there is no 10 block section of Connecticut Avenue that will be lacking bus stops in the future - I bet there is not even a 2 block stretch in the entire corridor that will be lacking a bus stop.

People need to stop making things up and discuss the actual traffic study and proposals, honesty that seems to be completely lacking from the opponents posting in this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

The biggest hazard to kids at school drop-off is parents dropping off in cars, double parking, blocking crosswalks, doing stupid u-turns backing into crosswalks, parking in the setback and impeding visibility.

I worked the carpool line at the school where I taught for several years and the parent behavior in the line was terrible. Pulling out around cars in front of them without looking, blocking traffic to let their kids out early, letting kids out on the street side, getting out of the car to get things from the trunk, doing Zoom calls. Closing the street would just be punishing the drivers who aren't the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

Brilliant idea. Let's cut off Reno, Nebraska, access to Beach, and access to the buses in Tenleytown. What could possibly go wrong?

Leaving aside the fact that you've probably not been on a public bus in 30 years there would be no reason to cut off access to public transportation on local roads. But it would be wonderful to cut off access to Reno Road and Nebraska Avenue to people from MD. Alternately just put up traffic cameras at every intersection since no one from MD can obey traffic laws and at least collect some revenue from them while making our streets safer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

Brilliant idea. Let's cut off Reno, Nebraska, access to Beach, and access to the buses in Tenleytown. What could possibly go wrong?

Leaving aside the fact that you've probably not been on a public bus in 30 years there would be no reason to cut off access to public transportation on local roads. But it would be wonderful to cut off access to Reno Road and Nebraska Avenue to people from MD. Alternately just put up traffic cameras at every intersection since no one from MD can obey traffic laws and at least collect some revenue from them while making our streets safer.

You keep saying that and yet I'm the one who knows where the bus stations are located while you don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

Brilliant idea. Let's cut off Reno, Nebraska, access to Beach, and access to the buses in Tenleytown. What could possibly go wrong?

Leaving aside the fact that you've probably not been on a public bus in 30 years there would be no reason to cut off access to public transportation on local roads. But it would be wonderful to cut off access to Reno Road and Nebraska Avenue to people from MD. Alternately just put up traffic cameras at every intersection since no one from MD can obey traffic laws and at least collect some revenue from them while making our streets safer.

You keep saying that and yet I'm the one who knows where the bus stations are located while you don't.

Wait what? Aren't you the one who thought the FH Bus Station was on CT Ave? I just posted the link to the proposed locations of buses on CT Ave.

I'm confident I'm more familiar with all of the bus routes and their stops in Upper NW than you are since I use them regularly - I bet you can't respond within 30 seconds naming even a single crosstown bus route that serves Ward 3 or where it runs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

Brilliant idea. Let's cut off Reno, Nebraska, access to Beach, and access to the buses in Tenleytown. What could possibly go wrong?

Leaving aside the fact that you've probably not been on a public bus in 30 years there would be no reason to cut off access to public transportation on local roads. But it would be wonderful to cut off access to Reno Road and Nebraska Avenue to people from MD. Alternately just put up traffic cameras at every intersection since no one from MD can obey traffic laws and at least collect some revenue from them while making our streets safer.

You keep saying that and yet I'm the one who knows where the bus stations are located while you don't.

Wait what? Aren't you the one who thought the FH Bus Station was on CT Ave? I just posted the link to the proposed locations of buses on CT Ave.

I'm confident I'm more familiar with all of the bus routes and their stops in Upper NW than you are since I use them regularly - I bet you can't respond within 30 seconds naming even a single crosstown bus route that serves Ward 3 or where it runs.

You seem very special. But I'm sure you know the bus routes and aren't just being aggressively ignorant. Just because you suggested closing the road the Tenleytown buses exit onto, don't understand Friendship Heights is in Maryland, and don't know that buses from Friendship Heights connect to Connecticut Ave...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:34th and Reno are effectively the same road. And they are already bumper to bumper, so they won't be getting worse.

According to DDOT they will indeed get worse. Especially in the morning between 8 and 9. What else do those streets have in common?

So you are saying that roads that are currently bumper to bumper are going to be bumperier and bumperier? How does that work?

They are already bad. The bike lanes won't make them worse. And if anything, by providing some people with a safe alternative, they may make things better.

Take it up with DDOT because that is what they say. They also claim there will be a 1,067% increase in bike commuting so their numbers might be off.

And since you are avoiding the question. The answer is that all 4 of those streets have public elementary schools on them.

I like the idea of only allowing local traffic / school drop off on those streets. Kids safety is more important than a bit of time shaved off a commute.

Brilliant idea. Let's cut off Reno, Nebraska, access to Beach, and access to the buses in Tenleytown. What could possibly go wrong?

Leaving aside the fact that you've probably not been on a public bus in 30 years there would be no reason to cut off access to public transportation on local roads. But it would be wonderful to cut off access to Reno Road and Nebraska Avenue to people from MD. Alternately just put up traffic cameras at every intersection since no one from MD can obey traffic laws and at least collect some revenue from them while making our streets safer.

You keep saying that and yet I'm the one who knows where the bus stations are located while you don't.

Wait what? Aren't you the one who thought the FH Bus Station was on CT Ave? I just posted the link to the proposed locations of buses on CT Ave.

I'm confident I'm more familiar with all of the bus routes and their stops in Upper NW than you are since I use them regularly - I bet you can't respond within 30 seconds naming even a single crosstown bus route that serves Ward 3 or where it runs.

You seem very special. But I'm sure you know the bus routes and aren't just being aggressively ignorant. Just because you suggested closing the road the Tenleytown buses exit onto, don't understand Friendship Heights is in Maryland, and don't know that buses from Friendship Heights connect to Connecticut Ave...

What is that expression - when you are already in a deep hole stop digging?

No one in this thread suggested closing any roads the TT buses use, not that you would have a clue what those roads or buses even are.

And as was pointed out upthread the only buses that run out of the FH bus station that serve CT Ave strictly serve CT Ave north of Western in Montgomery County. So despite your bizarre assertions there is zero linkage between the FH bus garage and the CT Ave bus service.

[Anonymous]

Another of many daily reports from Bike Squatters of DC Twitter”:

“Not one, but two UPS trucks were seen illegally parked in the protected bike lane at 1st & L NE”

This is going to happen at multiple points on CT Ave EVERY day. It’s completely foreseeable. Delivery companies will just price tickets into the cost of service. For them, time is more important. What happens then? Bikes will take over one of two traffic lanes. It’s going to be a cluster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another of many daily reports from Bike Squatters of DC Twitter”:

“Not one, but two UPS trucks were seen illegally parked in the protected bike lane at 1st & L NE”

This is going to happen at multiple points on CT Ave EVERY day. It’s completely foreseeable. Delivery companies will just price tickets into the cost of service. For them, time is more important. What happens then? Bikes will take over one of two traffic lanes. It’s going to be a cluster.

I think the city needs to decide if it wants a functioning commerce or bike lanes. It cannot have both if they insist on putting bike lanes along commercial corridors.