Babies say thank you to Virginia

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Antiabortion activists scored a major victory in Virginia as the state's General Assembly agreed Thursday that clinics where most of the state's early-term abortions are performed should be regulated as hospitals instead of as doctors' offices.

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Funny, my baby didn't mention it. Maybe he will say something tomorrow.

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What does this change mean?

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it means (i) that abortion clinics need to have better facilities, which can only help the safety of the women getting the procedure done, and (ii) that many clinics will not be able to afford this and shut down.

so that means less babies getting killed.

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Anonymous wrote:it means (i) that abortion clinics need to have better facilities, which can only help the safety of the women getting the procedure done, and (ii) that many clinics will not be able to afford this and shut down.

so that means less babies getting killed.

It doesn't reduce the number of babies being killed, it reduces the number of foetuses being aborted. It is a very different thing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it means (i) that abortion clinics need to have better facilities, which can only help the safety of the women getting the procedure done, and (ii) that many clinics will not be able to afford this and shut down.

so that means less babies getting killed.

It doesn't reduce the number of babies being killed, it reduces the number of foetuses being aborted. It is a very different thing.

actually I don't think that closing clinics will reduce the number of abortions, if someone really wants to get one they will find a clinic even if they have to drive a little further and wait in line longer, don't you think?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:it means (i) that abortion clinics need to have better facilities, which can only help the safety of the women getting the procedure done, and (ii) that many clinics will not be able to afford this and shut down.

so that means less babies getting killed.

It doesn't reduce the number of babies being killed, it reduces the number of foetuses being aborted. It is a very different thing.

actually I don't think that closing clinics will reduce the number of abortions, if someone really wants to get one they will find a clinic even if they have to drive a little further and wait in line longer, don't you think?

depends how far of a drive and how much more it costs. but hopefully it can save some lives.

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seriously doubt it will do anything to reduce the number of abortions, if someone doesn't want a baby, driving a little further, waiting a little longer, and paying a little more money is not going to stop them if they are set on it. I don't think anyone takes having an abortion lightly, like "oh, I think I'll drive through that clinic I saw down the street and have me an abortion today!". I believe the majority of women give it serious thought and probably struggle with it for a long time before making a decsiion like that. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, and those people will resort to illegal abortions if you make having a legal one too difficult or restrictive.

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PP makes excellent points. And let's not kid ourselves that this is designed to make abortions safer. 1st tri abortion is an extremely safe procedure. The only thing the new laws are designed to do is make it more difficult to have a safe and LEGAL medical procedure. Oh yeah, it's also designed to treat women like children who are incapable of making their own decisions about their own bodies.

My baby says thank you. For not making him live in a backwater state like Virginia where women are second class citizens. You're welcome.

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I'm glad your baby is alive.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad your baby is alive.

do you really believe, seriously, that making abortions illegal will stop abortions from happening? you believe that prior to roe v. wade, there were no abortions taking place in the US? If you honestly believe that, I have some gold I would like to sell you!

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It is a fact that the # of abortions are more now than pre-Roe.

It is my opinion that placing more restrictions on abortions will lower their #.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a fact that the # of abortions are more now than pre-Roe.

It is my opinion that placing more restrictions on abortions will lower their #.

well I think you are wrong, and if there are more now then there were back then, its prbably due to the increase in population instead of anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a fact that the # of abortions are more now than pre-Roe.

It is my opinion that placing more restrictions on abortions will lower their #.

well I think you are wrong, and if there are more now then there were back then, its prbably due to the increase in population instead of anything else.

no, it is not because of population increases. by any measure (total, percent of population), and using the best guesses of unreported illegal abortions pre-Roe, the number of abortions increased after Roe. Not sure why you would dispute that. It seems clear to me that more people would make that choice if the abortions were safer and more accessible and legal.

as for Virginia, I'm not saying the decrease is going to be substantial. Someone in Richmond who wants an abortion will drive 2 hours to either Northern Virginia (assuming there would be an open clinic here) or Maryland. But others may not be able to afford that drive or it may prolong their decision just enough for them to change their mind and decide to have the baby.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact that the # of abortions are more now than pre-Roe.

It is my opinion that placing more restrictions on abortions will lower their #.

well I think you are wrong, and if there are more now then there were back then, its prbably due to the increase in population instead of anything else.

no, it is not because of population increases. by any measure (total, percent of population), and using the best guesses of unreported illegal abortions pre-Roe, the number of abortions increased after Roe. Not sure why you would dispute that. It seems clear to me that more people would make that choice if the abortions were safer and more accessible and legal.

again, disagree. making abortions illegal only adds more risks to the mother and potentially to the the fetus if the abortion didn't work. Also, don't know about the increases, would have to see the study for myself to believe that it truly went up, but then again, since the abortions were illegal back then, not sure how anyone knows for sure how many there were.