Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

I’m not trying to be mean because I know that you asked this question in good faith, but to me it is absolutely absurd in borderline offensive to compare Isabella’s four days on set with domestic abuse.

It is kind of insane that Justin would have some kind of hold on her that would give her some form of Stockholm syndrome.

Why would you need to be "mean"? The whole point of me asking that question is because I find it really hard to believe that workplace harassment IS equivalent to domestic abuse, but I wanted to be nice and have an open mind ask in case there's some literature out there suggesting the psychology is similar.

[Anonymous]

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But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Actors seem to act more familiar with each other than typical co-workers. They're filming intimate scenes, lines get blurred... I don't think it tracks with normal workplaces. I keep thinking back to the Anora actress saying she didn't want an Intimacy Coordinator and totally loved the director and his wife acting out the sex scenes for her... maybe it's true... my read on it is the complete opposite (she knows how f'cked up it is and overcompensates how great it was). I can totally see a young actress feeling uncomfortable and the director making a big deal about how important it is to make everyone feel safe because he's a feminist, and her texting him that she felt soooo safe when it was the opposite. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying I don't assume that text to Baldoni is the sum total of what happened. That's one text, there's also going to be her communications with Lively and with other people (especially if she texted her actual family and friends about it, those might be closer to her real thoughts) and testimony from people who were on set. There are so many zigzags in this case, we could all be completely shocked when we actually learn more.

Mikey Madison did not go running around talking about how great it was that the director and his wife acted out the scenes for her. Here's one of her quotes about it: "For our film, it was a choice that I made; the filmmakers offered me, if I wanted, an intimacy coordinator. Mark Eydelshteyn, who plays Ivan, and I decided it would be best to just keep it small."

It sounds like ICs are a net good, but a lot of actors don't like them because it means yet another person (a stranger) seeing you naked.

I could have sworn there was a quote in the Anora thread here where she said something like that about the director and his wife demonstrating positions, but I'll defer to you, since I didn't even remember the actress' name, haha.

No, I'm not saying the director and wife didnt do those positions, I was objecting to the fact that you said she loved them doing that. She explains that's why she didn't need an intimacy coordinator, but she wasn't being over the top about it or anything.

[Anonymous]

Blake and Ryan really crapped the bed with this. It's been going on a year with no end in sight.. I doubt she intended to make sexial harrassment litigation her legacy, but that's where we are. And no sane person will want this diva on the set knowing they could be dragged into years of litigation with her and her hot sexy hunk of a husband!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

I’m not trying to be mean because I know that you asked this question in good faith, but to me it is absolutely absurd in borderline offensive to compare Isabella’s four days on set with domestic abuse.

It is kind of insane that Justin would have some kind of hold on her that would give her some form of Stockholm syndrome.

Why would you need to be "mean"? The whole point of me asking that question is because I find it really hard to believe that workplace harassment IS equivalent to domestic abuse, but I wanted to be nice and have an open mind ask in case there's some literature out there suggesting the psychology is similar.

I don’t need to be mean, that’s the point. I’m simply acknowledging there’s a lot of snark on this thread, and I didn’t want to add to it by just bashing your argument. I think you did bring it up in good faith, but I was pointing out that I just disagree that four days on a set can be compared to any kind of domestic abuse. I’m not being close minded about that, I found it mildly offensive that you would suggest that.

It seems at worse Isabella might’ve felt uncomfortable, and frankly that’s not even clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.

Really? You can't imagine that she wouldn't want to be retaliated against by bringing up her own complaints?

At this stage, yes, I absolutely can’t imagine that she is worried about retaliation. It is pretty clear the power Blake and Ryan have in this, Justin’s case has been completely dismissed.

Let’s not act as if Isabela is trying to come forward by herself, one of the most powerful women in Hollywood has set the bar and made the complaint. Isabela is a minor player in this so no I don’t think she fears retaliation.

Finally, it’s pretty rich to say that she’s quaking in her boots over Baldoni when she’s just generated dozens of headlines by, as another poster pointed out, stirring up the hornets nest and blatantly accusing of him harassment and bullying when trying to subpoena her. She is certainly not acting someone like someone who is afraid of retaliation.

I guess your argument is she is terrified to come forth and say that he harrassed her on set, but she’s totes fine coming forth and saying that he is harassing her when trying to get the subpoena. Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan really crapped the bed with this. It's been going on a year with no end in sight.. I doubt she intended to make sexial harrassment litigation her legacy, but that's where we are. And no sane person will want this diva on the set knowing they could be dragged into years of litigation with her and her hot sexy hunk of a husband!

100 percent this. Posters have argued that her legal team would’ve sat her down and explained the process she was getting into, but I don’t believe for a second they were prepared for this kind of slog. I know they have a lot of money, but no one wants to bleed tens of millions on legal fees and crisis communication reps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan really crapped the bed with this. It's been going on a year with no end in sight.. I doubt she intended to make sexial harrassment litigation her legacy, but that's where we are. And no sane person will want this diva on the set knowing they could be dragged into years of litigation with her and her hot sexy hunk of a husband!

100 percent this. Posters have argued that her legal team would’ve sat her down and explained the process she was getting into, but I don’t believe for a second they were prepared for this kind of slog. I know they have a lot of money, but no one wants to bleed tens of millions on legal fees and crisis communication reps.

Uncommon take but she would've been okay if those Taylor text messages didn't come. Losing that relationship was terrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan really crapped the bed with this. It's been going on a year with no end in sight.. I doubt she intended to make sexial harrassment litigation her legacy, but that's where we are. And no sane person will want this diva on the set knowing they could be dragged into years of litigation with her and her hot sexy hunk of a husband!

100 percent this. Posters have argued that her legal team would’ve sat her down and explained the process she was getting into, but I don’t believe for a second they were prepared for this kind of slog. I know they have a lot of money, but no one wants to bleed tens of millions on legal fees and crisis communication reps.

Uncommon take but she would've been okay if those Taylor text messages didn't come. Losing that relationship was terrible.

I don’t think it’s an uncommon take. That was devastating for them.

Blake was dumb to drag Taylor into this and lie on the red carpet about how involved she was and lie to Isabel and Justin about her role in casting and feedback on the script. She should’ve never clout chased like that and she’s paying for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

I’m not trying to be mean because I know that you asked this question in good faith, but to me it is absolutely absurd in borderline offensive to compare Isabella’s four days on set with domestic abuse.

It is kind of insane that Justin would have some kind of hold on her that would give her some form of Stockholm syndrome.

Why would you need to be "mean"? The whole point of me asking that question is because I find it really hard to believe that workplace harassment IS equivalent to domestic abuse, but I wanted to be nice and have an open mind ask in case there's some literature out there suggesting the psychology is similar.

I don’t need to be mean, that’s the point. I’m simply acknowledging there’s a lot of snark on this thread, and I didn’t want to add to it by just bashing your argument. I think you did bring it up in good faith, but I was pointing out that I just disagree that four days on a set can be compared to any kind of domestic abuse. I’m not being close minded about that, I found it mildly offensive that you would suggest that.

It seems at worse Isabella might’ve felt uncomfortable, and frankly that’s not even clear.

Omfgggggggg, I'm not the one suggesting that. My whole point is that OTHER people bring up that they're equivalent. I'm constantly seeing people say, "my abuser did blah blah blah, that's why even if Blake and Isabela acted this way, that doesn't mean Justin is innocent." So I opened up the question: "Well, am I missing something, are they somewhat equivalent? Because they sure do seem like they're not, so I want to see if I'm missing anything."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.

Really? You can't imagine that she wouldn't want to be retaliated against by bringing up her own complaints?

At this stage, yes, I absolutely can’t imagine that she is worried about retaliation. It is pretty clear the power Blake and Ryan have in this, Justin’s case has been completely dismissed.

Let’s not act as if Isabela is trying to come forward by herself, one of the most powerful women in Hollywood has set the bar and made the complaint. Isabela is a minor player in this so no I don’t think she fears retaliation.

Finally, it’s pretty rich to say that she’s quaking in her boots over Baldoni when she’s just generated dozens of headlines by, as another poster pointed out, stirring up the hornets nest and blatantly accusing of him harassment and bullying when trying to subpoena her. She is certainly not acting someone like someone who is afraid of retaliation.

I guess your argument is she is terrified to come forth and say that he harrassed her on set, but she’s totes fine coming forth and saying that he is harassing her when trying to get the subpoena. Make it make sense.

Yeah, I'm tired of us having to lie to ourselves to give someone the benefit of the doubt. "Well, maybe she is scared, you never know what a victim could be going through." No, she is absolutely not acting like someone who is scared.