Elementary Schools In Capitol Hill

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

Please. At Brent and Maury 4th grade numbers are actually higher than K and 1st grade numbers this year. There are around 60 kids enrolled at Brent for K, but more than 70 in 4th grade (cohort that's still more than 80% in-boundary). Yes, some Hill families leave their high-performing elementary schools along the way, but others replace them. We stayed through 5th grade at a Hill DCPS and are glad we did. My kids bike to school on their own and work at least a year ahead of grade level in reading and math. Our oldest went on to a private middle school where she's ahead of the curve. Get a life, PP.

Wrong.

Hill families leave Brent and Maury for Basis and other charters en masse.

Here are the numbers for last year:

Brent:

4th grade: 64
5th grade: 23

Maury:

4th grade: 64
5th grade: 30

Yes, but for many (including us), that's not because of the elementary. Our child moved to Basis in 5th from Ludlow. We would have preferred to have our child stay stay at Ludlow for the last year and then start Basis in 6th, but that wasn't an option.

Exactly. We do NOT want to leave our Hill school at 5th, but the MS issue really forces us to do that if we get a lottery spot at a decent MS.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

Please. At Brent and Maury 4th grade numbers are actually higher than K and 1st grade numbers this year. There are around 60 kids enrolled at Brent for K, but more than 70 in 4th grade (cohort that's still more than 80% in-boundary). Yes, some Hill families leave their high-performing elementary schools along the way, but others replace them. We stayed through 5th grade at a Hill DCPS and are glad we did. My kids bike to school on their own and work at least a year ahead of grade level in reading and math. Our oldest went on to a private middle school where she's ahead of the curve. Get a life, PP.

Right, so you also bailed on DCPS just a year or two later than the PP. Pot, meet kettle.

that wasn’t the question. the question was whether the upper grades are “bad” and whether white parents bail because they are “too black.” the actual data/experience show these allegations to be false race-baiting (big surprise).

Why didn't you go to Stuart Hobson or Eliot-Hine or Jefferson? Was it because the schools are too black? Or because of the quality of the education?

The argument you are making through your actions applies one year later - some parents just choose to act on it and get their students in place a year earlier than others. Really glad you stuck it out through upper Elementary to bail and go to private, but some make the decision to go to private a year or two earlier than you do. I don't think that warrants looking down on them for making the same decision you ultimately did.

My kid is not in MS yet. We are not zoned for S-H - I would probably seriously consider it if we were, although a MS charter with a HS option like Latin would probably still win out. Elliot-Hine is just a bridge too far to me. And no it's not because of race, but because it's a troubled, rough school with kids with a lot of challenges, with roughly 10 kids in each grade on grade-level per PARCC. My rule of thumb is that the MS needs to have at least 25-30% of kids passing PARCC, and I don't think that's to0 outlandish a metric.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

Please. At Brent and Maury 4th grade numbers are actually higher than K and 1st grade numbers this year. There are around 60 kids enrolled at Brent for K, but more than 70 in 4th grade (cohort that's still more than 80% in-boundary). Yes, some Hill families leave their high-performing elementary schools along the way, but others replace them. We stayed through 5th grade at a Hill DCPS and are glad we did. My kids bike to school on their own and work at least a year ahead of grade level in reading and math. Our oldest went on to a private middle school where she's ahead of the curve. Get a life, PP.

Right, so you also bailed on DCPS just a year or two later than the PP. Pot, meet kettle.

that wasn’t the question. the question was whether the upper grades are “bad” and whether white parents bail because they are “too black.” the actual data/experience show these allegations to be false race-baiting (big surprise).

Why didn't you go to Stuart Hobson or Eliot-Hine or Jefferson? Was it because the schools are too black? Or because of the quality of the education?

The argument you are making through your actions applies one year later - some parents just choose to act on it and get their students in place a year earlier than others. Really glad you stuck it out through upper Elementary to bail and go to private, but some make the decision to go to private a year or two earlier than you do. I don't think that warrants looking down on them for making the same decision you ultimately did.

My kid is not in MS yet. We are not zoned for S-H - I would probably seriously consider it if we were, although a MS charter with a HS option like Latin would probably still win out. Elliot-Hine is just a bridge too far to me. And no it's not because of race, but because it's a troubled, rough school with kids with a lot of challenges, with roughly 10 kids in each grade on grade-level per PARCC. My rule of thumb is that the MS needs to have at least 25-30% of kids passing PARCC, and I don't think that's to0 outlandish a metric.

(And BTW - those 10 kids on grade level are almost certainly predominately white, and all of the white kids at E-H are in that group. I'm not sure that it's actually a better diversity setting for my kid to essentially be in a racially divided "school within a school," as opposed to being at a charter where there is a mich more diverse on-grade level peer group.)

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone has alleged that white families leave Brent, Maury, or any school specifically because it's "too black" in the upper grades. What has historically happened is that families start to leave these schools in the upper grades because they don't like their MS options and want to ensure their kids can go to a charter MS like Basis.

I think the vast majority of the time, the decision to leave DCPS is not about the number of black students. The issue the percentage of poor students, and in DC, poor students are overwhelmingly black. MC and UMC of all races worry about the impact on a school of having a certain threshold of poor students, who often have much higher needs that students from better-resourced families. It's a pretty crappy situation. My family chose to leave our IB DCPS (for another DCPS) for this reason and it is a an awkward mix of guilt and resignation. Our new school still has a very high percentage of FARMS kids. But our old school had a large homeless student population, and particularly during Covid, we learned that providing those children with just their basic needs (which absolutely is necessary) made it all but impossible to offer much of anything to the rest of the school population. Even other FARMS kids who are not housing insecure.

You need a critical mass of middle or high income families at a school to be able to expand the school's offerings beyond a focus on remediating what very high needs and at risk students need. So if you have an average, middle class kid, your school choice can mean the difference between them being treated like the most privileged (and there for least in need of attention or services) kid in class, or to be treated like an average kid deserving of what would be considered average levels of academic and extra curricular enrichment by most national standards.

It's not about not wanting your kid around black kids, or even around poor black kids. It's an understanding that poor children require a lot of services and focus and that if the vast majority of a school's population has those needs, and your child does not, it is unlikely that your child will receive much specialized attention.

A lot of this seems right on. But I want to add that the baseline dysfunction and political entrapments of DCPS central office make this a reality. Plenty of schools and school systems make this balance work and meet the needs of students and families at all ends of the socio-economic and academic spectrum. It CAN be done. But DCPS WON'T do it because of the political penalties paid by seeming to give more privileged families ( black and white and all colors ) "special treatment". This political paradigm and the general orneriness of the education sector here in DC is insidious and self-defeating. It doesn't have to be this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Maury and Brent parents seriously not see a problem with their kids attending majority white schools in a city that is majority-minority? I always wonder this about SWS too. It’s not that I don’t understand that it’s no individual parent’s “fault” that this is the case, but… doesn’t it bother you? Of course we all want our kids to get a good education, but one question I’d ask myself is what we are teaching our kids when we tell them the best schools are the whitest schools. Do you not think they pick up in this stuff? Trust me: by MS they know exactly what the score is. That’s part of the education you are giving them too.

POC inbounds for Maury. We don’t send out kids there because they would be one of the only nonwhite kids in the classroom. We got in SWS- turned it down for the same reason. We drive to a charter and get some pushback from some neighbors for not supporting our neighborhood schools (these are exclusively white women who feel at liberty to say this).

Then point I am trying to make is that you can’t win. I do not feel offended at people who choose to go to their neighborhood school. It’s a rich white neighborhood and attacking people who send their kids to the local public school won’t help. SWS on the other hand……

When the white women questioned your commitment to local schools did you tell them the real reason? That seems like it would be really satisfying.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

Please. At Brent and Maury 4th grade numbers are actually higher than K and 1st grade numbers this year. There are around 60 kids enrolled at Brent for K, but more than 70 in 4th grade (cohort that's still more than 80% in-boundary). Yes, some Hill families leave their high-performing elementary schools along the way, but others replace them. We stayed through 5th grade at a Hill DCPS and are glad we did. My kids bike to school on their own and work at least a year ahead of grade level in reading and math. Our oldest went on to a private middle school where she's ahead of the curve. Get a life, PP.

Right, so you also bailed on DCPS just a year or two later than the PP. Pot, meet kettle.

that wasn’t the question. the question was whether the upper grades are “bad” and whether white parents bail because they are “too black.” the actual data/experience show these allegations to be false race-baiting (big surprise).

FFS hold up. I'm PP and never commented on quality or make up of upper grades -- just that many parent leave for suburbs, private or MS charter by 5th. That's a fact

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

And did what with your kids education?

Thanks for your concern but don't fret - they're good

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

Please. At Brent and Maury 4th grade numbers are actually higher than K and 1st grade numbers this year. There are around 60 kids enrolled at Brent for K, but more than 70 in 4th grade (cohort that's still more than 80% in-boundary). Yes, some Hill families leave their high-performing elementary schools along the way, but others replace them. We stayed through 5th grade at a Hill DCPS and are glad we did. My kids bike to school on their own and work at least a year ahead of grade level in reading and math. Our oldest went on to a private middle school where she's ahead of the curve. Get a life, PP.

Wrong.

Hill families leave Brent and Maury for Basis and other charters en masse.

Here are the numbers for last year:

Brent:

4th grade: 64
5th grade: 23

Maury:

4th grade: 64
5th grade: 30

Yes, but they don't run away in the "upper grades" as alleged (3rd, 4th). Around half leave for BASIS and Latin because that's a logical move for parents seeking a definite, viable path to 12th grade in the public system.

Where are you getting these bogus numbers? My kid was in 5th grade at Brent last year and had more than 30 classmates, with only a few new faces, in-boundary faces for that matter. This year, there are 3 dozen Brenties in 5th.

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Yes, there were a lot more than 23 5th graders at Brent this past school year and more still this school year.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

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Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

Please. At Brent and Maury 4th grade numbers are actually higher than K and 1st grade numbers this year. There are around 60 kids enrolled at Brent for K, but more than 70 in 4th grade (cohort that's still more than 80% in-boundary). Yes, some Hill families leave their high-performing elementary schools along the way, but others replace them. We stayed through 5th grade at a Hill DCPS and are glad we did. My kids bike to school on their own and work at least a year ahead of grade level in reading and math. Our oldest went on to a private middle school where she's ahead of the curve. Get a life, PP.

Wrong.

Hill families leave Brent and Maury for Basis and other charters en masse.

Here are the numbers for last year:

Brent:

4th grade: 64
5th grade: 23

Maury:

4th grade: 64
5th grade: 30

Yes, but they don't run away in the "upper grades" as alleged (3rd, 4th). Around half leave for BASIS and Latin because that's a logical move for parents seeking a definite, viable path to 12th grade in the public system.

Where are you getting these bogus numbers? My kid was in 5th grade at Brent last year and had more than 30 classmates, with only a few new faces, in-boundary faces for that matter. This year, there are 3 dozen Brenties in 5th.

Yeah -- and I bet a bunch of families that stay through 5th have the means (and desire) to go private for middle and beyond.

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Right. The question is not the size of the 5th grade class. The question is how many go on to their IB middle.

I think families are in a few categories:

1. First choice is Basis or Latin and if they get in, they leave their ES at 5th. If they don't get in, they stay at their ES for 5th and go private or move for 6th. Maybe if they move they move before the beginning of 5th or during the school year. If they can't afford to move or go private, they stay at their IB MS, but they aren't happy about it.

2. First choice is private MS/HS, in which case they don't play the lottery and stay in their ES through 5th.

3. First choice (or only choice because of circumstances) is to go to their IB MS. Very very few UMC make this choice (except for a subset at SH), unless they are planning for private HS and are just holding their breath for an ok MS experience because they can't afford private MS and HS.

So you can see the numbers in 5th can tell you something, but not everything.

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Anonymous wrote:What makes Maury and Brent better is not that they are whiter, but they are richer. Neither has a housing complex that feeds to it. Tyler has Potomac Gardens, LT has whatever that building by the Sherwood Rec center is called. Public housing in DC is, unfortunately, always majority black (except maybe in upper Columbia Heights where there are some latinx).
Most black kids at Maury come from high SES black families. There is also a great chunk of black kids being raised by white or mixed foster or adoptive parents. But the poverty levels are tiny.
They are not a Title 1 school like Watkins, Tyler, and, until recently, LT.

The building next to Sherwood Rec Center is a public senior living facility that doesn't permit children. The IB for L-T is actually more expensive on average than Maury and the vast majority of L-T's FARMS eligible kids come from OOB. It is true that L-T is substantially more OOB than Maury and that's the difference, but the IB percentage has been increasing so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if they look similar demographically pretty soon. (Although L-T also has quite a few self-contained classrooms that are almost entirely OOB and so I think the overall school demographics are slightly misleading.) Brent's IB real estate is more $$ still and so the IB is richer and whiter, so Brent is richer and whiter.

FYI Watkins isn't T1 either and hasn't been in some time.

Because I was curious, the "Economically Disadvantaged" rates:

LT: 16%
Brent: 3%
Maury: 7%
Watkins: 18%
Peabody: 4%
Miner: 100% (actually means above some threshold; I don't know what that threshold is)
JO Wilson: 100%

Considering that LT was T1 as recently as the 2019-2020 (which requires 40%+ FARMS), that is some crazy fast gentrification. Considering Watkins was in the transitional non-T1 category as far back as 2015, it is crazy that Watkins has a higher at risk percentage than L-T. Of course, in the DC context, all of these numbers are pretty low… and Brent is among the lowest in the city.

You can’t really Watkins to the other elementary schools for in-bound or at risk without noting that PK3-K are at Peabody.

+1 It looks pretty similar to other Hill schools when accounting for Peabody. A lot of Hill families bail on DCPS by upper elementary. We turned down upper ES spots at both Brent and Maury this year

And did what with your kids education?

Thanks for your concern but don't fret - they're good

It was a friendly question, meant to advance the conversation, but you do you.

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Question: How well integrated ( by race and SES ) are the actual content classes at Stuart-Hobson? I realize parents probably don't actually know, because they aren't regularly in the classrooms--but maybe it has come up in discussions with your kids?

The Wilson principal instituted the Honors for All program in 9th and 10th grades specifically because she was appalled at the seeming segregation by race of the honors and AP classes vs. regular classes.

Curious if this is a consideration at S-H?

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We had a student at SH for 6th pre COVID. In a nutshell, almost all the white and Asian kids land in honors English and math along with most of the high SES AA kids. No tracking for science or social studies so those classes are more mixed (and a lot lesss challenging). Former principle tried and failed to create honors science and social studies. Then he left a year ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had a student at SH for 6th pre COVID. In a nutshell, almost all the white and Asian kids land in honors English and math along with most of the high SES AA kids. No tracking for science or social studies so those classes are more mixed (and a lot lesss challenging). Former principle tried and failed to create honors science and social studies. Then he left a year ago.

Former SH parent here (now HS parent). The issue was less "honors" than uneven teachers. Mixed bag with some wonderful science, social studies, and Spanish teachers and some meh to worse. Same for one honors English teacher, although the honors math teachers were consistently very good.