Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here: I finally came across something concrete that addresses my concern. Monica Gandhi posted a flurry of tweets just now about the t-cell response paper (the same one that I referenced in my PP). This is her distinction: you will get infected, but you will be protected against severe disease. So, I guess the working theory of the hope brigade is that although antibodies from current vaccines won't protect you against infection from two of the new variants, the t-cells that you produce in response to the vaccine or a wild strain infection will attack the covid variants after they begin to infect your cells. Also, the external spike that an antibody reacts to is more mutable (which is why mutations can evade antibodies with some frequency), whereas the internal proteins that a t-cell reacts to are less likely to mutate, making these t-cells more likely to protect against even future mutations.

I'm not sure why a single PP didn't just state this distinction in a response. There's just been a bunch of "I disagree" and "you're apocalyptic" instead. Slow clap for your communication and debate skills....

BUT....t-cell memory has been found to persist for "up to" 8 months after infection. Up. To. Eight. Months. So everyone who is getting vaccines in March of 2021 (teachers! staff!) may become susceptible to the variants in....drumroll....November of 2021. So....yeah....

Which brings me back to my PP about all those epidemiologists from around the world who said that they expect our current vaccines to need replacement in the near term due to variants. And I don't see a plan for that as a necessary contingency to the open schools now mandate this fall.

Also, I'm not moving the goalposts. Darwinism is moving the goalposts, and I'm not responsible for that - it preceded me by, like, eons.

Monica Ghandi is a fervent advocate of kids being in school, so I don’t think she would agree with your assessment of her tweets. Also, can’t everyone just get vaccinated again if it really wears off that quickly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here: I finally came across something concrete that addresses my concern. Monica Gandhi posted a flurry of tweets just now about the t-cell response paper (the same one that I referenced in my PP). This is her distinction: you will get infected, but you will be protected against severe disease. So, I guess the working theory of the hope brigade is that although antibodies from current vaccines won't protect you against infection from two of the new variants, the t-cells that you produce in response to the vaccine or a wild strain infection will attack the covid variants after they begin to infect your cells. Also, the external spike that an antibody reacts to is more mutable (which is why mutations can evade antibodies with some frequency), whereas the internal proteins that a t-cell reacts to are less likely to mutate, making these t-cells more likely to protect against even future mutations.

I'm not sure why a single PP didn't just state this distinction in a response. There's just been a bunch of "I disagree" and "you're apocalyptic" instead. Slow clap for your communication and debate skills....

BUT....t-cell memory has been found to persist for "up to" 8 months after infection. Up. To. Eight. Months. So everyone who is getting vaccines in March of 2021 (teachers! staff!) may become susceptible to the variants in....drumroll....November of 2021. So....yeah....

Which brings me back to my PP about all those epidemiologists from around the world who said that they expect our current vaccines to need replacement in the near term due to variants. And I don't see a plan for that as a necessary contingency to the open schools now mandate this fall.

Also, I'm not moving the goalposts. Darwinism is moving the goalposts, and I'm not responsible for that - it preceded me by, like, eons.

Monica Ghandi is a fervent advocate of kids being in school, so I don’t think she would agree with your assessment of her tweets. Also, can’t everyone just get vaccinated again if it really wears off that quickly?

OP - It sounds like you just need to stay in your house until all this gets worked out...you do you...leave the rest of us that are OK with the risk send our kids to school..

[Anonymous]

This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

Schools were fully open in the south with masks optional and no vaccines (which I wouldn’t recommend, but they did it). We have not seen kids dropping dead of covid or suffering mass long term side effects. The idea that the pandemic is becoming more dangerous now, when we have lots of first gen vaccines on the scene and the capability to manufacture new vaccines for variants is simply insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many of the people that are pushing for schools to be closed as too dangerous are sending their kids to private school for in person schooling.
For example, the head of the teachers union in LA.

well yeah privates are doing all sorts of things publics are not. Like testing everyone, and kicking out families who violate the rules.

Some private schools might be doing that but many aren't. THey aren't kicking out kids who don't follow the rules, they'd lose money doing that. They aren't testing everyone.

They most certainly are and do. Are you kidding me? Even the smallest, and least desirable, privates have people beating down their doors for a spot. Private school administrators are forcing the parents and kids to toe the line. That you don't know this shows that you're not familiar with any private schools. I don't know of a single private school right now that is worried about not having enough tuition... Besides, private school parents definitely want their kids to follow the rules. If your kid is thrown out you don't get back a penny of the $50+K that you've already paid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

This has nothing to do with the school and EVERYTHING to do with the kid's parents. If your child's gap is widening then it is because you're not doing your job as a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

This has nothing to do with the school and EVERYTHING to do with the kid's parents. If your child's gap is widening then it is because you're not doing your job as a parent.

Um, no, it has to do with schools being closed. Kids would be in school (maybe they would skip here and there but they would be in school many days instead of 0 days).

Use logic, not knee-jerk attack (even attacking the wrong target).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

This has nothing to do with the school and EVERYTHING to do with the kid's parents. If your child's gap is widening then it is because you're not doing your job as a parent.

Wrong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

This has nothing to do with the school and EVERYTHING to do with the kid's parents. If your child's gap is widening then it is because you're not doing your job as a parent.

That is an incredibly classist take, PP. One thing that is not in question is that the pandemic has, on average, amplified existed equity gaps. Putting it on the parents is an incredibly privileged take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here: I finally came across something concrete that addresses my concern. Monica Gandhi posted a flurry of tweets just now about the t-cell response paper (the same one that I referenced in my PP). This is her distinction: you will get infected, but you will be protected against severe disease. So, I guess the working theory of the hope brigade is that although antibodies from current vaccines won't protect you against infection from two of the new variants, the t-cells that you produce in response to the vaccine or a wild strain infection will attack the covid variants after they begin to infect your cells. Also, the external spike that an antibody reacts to is more mutable (which is why mutations can evade antibodies with some frequency), whereas the internal proteins that a t-cell reacts to are less likely to mutate, making these t-cells more likely to protect against even future mutations.

I'm not sure why a single PP didn't just state this distinction in a response. There's just been a bunch of "I disagree" and "you're apocalyptic" instead. Slow clap for your communication and debate skills....

BUT....t-cell memory has been found to persist for "up to" 8 months after infection. Up. To. Eight. Months. So everyone who is getting vaccines in March of 2021 (teachers! staff!) may become susceptible to the variants in....drumroll....November of 2021. So....yeah....

Which brings me back to my PP about all those epidemiologists from around the world who said that they expect our current vaccines to need replacement in the near term due to variants. And I don't see a plan for that as a necessary contingency to the open schools now mandate this fall.

Also, I'm not moving the goalposts. Darwinism is moving the goalposts, and I'm not responsible for that - it preceded me by, like, eons.

I wish Darwinism was in charge. We would have been back in school last fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here: I finally came across something concrete that addresses my concern. Monica Gandhi posted a flurry of tweets just now about the t-cell response paper (the same one that I referenced in my PP). This is her distinction: you will get infected, but you will be protected against severe disease. So, I guess the working theory of the hope brigade is that although antibodies from current vaccines won't protect you against infection from two of the new variants, the t-cells that you produce in response to the vaccine or a wild strain infection will attack the covid variants after they begin to infect your cells. Also, the external spike that an antibody reacts to is more mutable (which is why mutations can evade antibodies with some frequency), whereas the internal proteins that a t-cell reacts to are less likely to mutate, making these t-cells more likely to protect against even future mutations.

I'm not sure why a single PP didn't just state this distinction in a response. There's just been a bunch of "I disagree" and "you're apocalyptic" instead. Slow clap for your communication and debate skills....

BUT....t-cell memory has been found to persist for "up to" 8 months after infection. Up. To. Eight. Months. So everyone who is getting vaccines in March of 2021 (teachers! staff!) may become susceptible to the variants in....drumroll....November of 2021. So....yeah....

Which brings me back to my PP about all those epidemiologists from around the world who said that they expect our current vaccines to need replacement in the near term due to variants. And I don't see a plan for that as a necessary contingency to the open schools now mandate this fall.

Also, I'm not moving the goalposts. Darwinism is moving the goalposts, and I'm not responsible for that - it preceded me by, like, eons.

Monica Ghandi is a fervent advocate of kids being in school, so I don’t think she would agree with your assessment of her tweets. Also, can’t everyone just get vaccinated again if it really wears off that quickly?

OP, keep scrolling. Gandhi had a thread a while back that said T cells after other viruses last YEARS and we should expect these to also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

This has nothing to do with the school and EVERYTHING to do with the kid's parents. If your child's gap is widening then it is because you're not doing your job as a parent.

That is an incredibly classist take, PP. One thing that is not in question is that the pandemic has, on average, amplified existed equity gaps. Putting it on the parents is an incredibly privileged take.

Yup and what is most outrageous is that a lot of the keep schools closed crowd I know are super woke liberals, yet their response is that parents should be responsible for just hiring childcare or quitting their jobs to oversee distance learning. It makes me want to scream in their privileged hypocritical faces.

[Anonymous]

18:23, I qualify as a “super whole liberal” but I would never deny my privilege (in spite of this being DCUM where everyone claims a 400k HHI and middle class status). But I do have a theory here. I think that the Trump administration and Republican activists around the school issue early on are EXACTLY why limousine liberals (which I pretty much am) have been so resistant to reopening.

I hate virtual even though my kids is happy and doing well. I still don’t trust my school system to be sane or consistent in their mitigation efforts. That’s a leadership problem in FCPS. But the positivity rates and vaccination rates don’t lie. We should have reopened in Sept. I definitely wasn’t ready but I didn’t begrudge anyone who wasn’t. This whole thing just feels so unnecessarily political and I think we’ve screwed ourselves by letting it get that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:18:23, I qualify as a “super whole liberal” but I would never deny my privilege (in spite of this being DCUM where everyone claims a 400k HHI and middle class status). But I do have a theory here. I think that the Trump administration and Republican activists around the school issue early on are EXACTLY why limousine liberals (which I pretty much am) have been so resistant to reopening.

I hate virtual even though my kids is happy and doing well. I still don’t trust my school system to be sane or consistent in their mitigation efforts. That’s a leadership problem in FCPS. But the positivity rates and vaccination rates don’t lie. We should have reopened in Sept. I definitely wasn’t ready but I didn’t begrudge anyone who wasn’t. This whole thing just feels so unnecessarily political and I think we’ve screwed ourselves by letting it get that way.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is a bad idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is silly. Schools have been open in DC private ones throughout. Things have been fine. Meanwhile kids on my street haven’t done online school in months. The only thing this has helped is to widen the gap.

This has nothing to do with the school and EVERYTHING to do with the kid's parents. If your child's gap is widening then it is because you're not doing your job as a parent.

That is an incredibly classist take, PP. One thing that is not in question is that the pandemic has, on average, amplified existed equity gaps. Putting it on the parents is an incredibly privileged take.

Yup and what is most outrageous is that a lot of the keep schools closed crowd I know are super woke liberals, yet their response is that parents should be responsible for just hiring childcare or quitting their jobs to oversee distance learning. It makes me want to scream in their privileged hypocritical faces.

This isn't a thing. Schools are open. The open up now'ers like to point to the stay closed crowd but literally no one is pushing to close schools.