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Anonymous
Who cares? Not everyone is looking for a Top 10 school. Many of the US schools that PPs have compared St Andrews to are great schools so I’m not sure why this is even an issue to these PPs. |
littlehouse
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No, St Andrews ranks 342 on USN&WR Best GLOBAL Universities, which is a list of top research universities. This list "focus(es) specifically on schools' academic research and reputation overall and not on their separate undergraduate or graduate programs". Criteria is research rep, # of publications, # of citations, # of conferences. William & Mary #541 on this list. BC is #625 on this list. Temple tops Georgetown (314) on this list. What's "not great" is using rankings without understanding what they're ranking. |
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littlehouse
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Williams, Vassar, etc aren't on the list at all. They didn't crack the top 2000. (and yes, other colleges are on the list) But guess what? It doesn't matter if you are low or even off the list -- when the list doesn't have much of anything to do with who you are or what you do. If it's very important for you to judge where some other person's teenager is going to college, the QS World University Ranking is probably what you want to look at. St Andrew's is 91. Lower than Oxbridge, UCL, ICL, Kings, Manchester, Duham, Birmingham, etc. But above Rice, above WashU, above BU. As a person who went to college in the UK and grad school here, I could pick apart some of that based on my anecdata, but that's in the ballpark. But who cares? A kid who went to high school during covid and says, I want to get out and see something new? God speed. It's a totally solid education with tons of opportunities for new experiences. Or if you're thinking, we're not going to get FA and 85k for BU makes no sense when I want to go to grad school? Then 40k may look appealing. I have no connection with St Andrews, my kids don't go there. But this thread is pretty ridiculous. |
Anonymous
| The St Andrews haters on this thread are DEDICATED, unsure what's in it for them really |
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But who cares? A kid who went to high school during covid and says, I want to get out and see something new? God speed. It's a totally solid education with tons of opportunities for new experiences. Or if you're thinking, we're not going to get FA and 85k for BU makes no sense when I want to go to grad school? Then 40k may look appealing. I am the OP and this guy gets it! As I said, my kid finally visited and loved it. We met Americans who loved it. It's about 40K. We know St Andrews is not Oxbridge or Harvard. Maybe it's the equivalent of Emory. Therefore at that price, there is no way we are paying for Skidmore or Bard or the like at 80K vs St Andrews for half the price. It's definitely a better school with a more interesting experience. |
Anonymous
ST Andrews is not $40k, it’s $60k. |
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It's not $60,000.
Tuition for Arts and Divinities is GBP 26,000 and for shared catered accommodation approximately GBP 7,000. That's $41,000. |
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Add in all the travel back and forth to the US, tier 4 cost, term break travels, spending money with the pounds to dollars difference and I would wager that it is high $50ks
And it’s four years, unlike three @Oxbridge |
Anonymous
Exactly, and if you relocated St Andrews to connecticut or maryland or maine, it would easily be 80k. St Andrews is a steal for the caliber of education and quality of student life |
Anonymous
NP-Give it up, you don't like it but OP does...move along. |
Anonymous
Wrong. Look up all the fees for St Andrews . Just google St Andrew UK fees and you will see that all in is $61k. That includes an allotment if $3k for travel. IMHO you will spend more on airfare as DD has done at Oxford. |
Anonymous
LOL, just had to slip that in there. Cringe. |
Anonymous
But this is just false. For arts, sciences, and divinity degrees (medicine fees are a bit higher) the undergrad international tuition fees are £26k, in US dollars around $32k. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/fees/feestable/ Dorm/food fees range from £4k to £10k. Private flats can be found well within that range. https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/study/accommodation/halls/fees/ not sure how you're getting 61k USD |
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will be posters who have to throw the rank of every school asked about in these forums please give it a rest. No one cares where a college ranks.
My son is interested in St. Andrews and Cambridge equally. Looking to see if there are any resources or guides to help him navigate their admissions. |