Teacher told kids on zoom class to write about their white privilege

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to say much because I think I know this school and teacher because I used to work there. The school has made it a priority to teach a lot of super privileged kids that they are privileged. I don’t disagree. People who are really hurt or offended by this should ask themselves why they are. I suspect it is because they believe firmly that they deserve everything they have, and no luck was involved.


That is not the schools job and that is on the parents.

I am offended as we have zero privilege based off our skin color.

My kid is has had some very horrible things happen and nothing most people could understand so having him pretend he has this great privileged and forcing him to agree when he doesn't makes no sense.


Holy crap. I can't believe this many delusional, one-assumes-educated people send their children to private school.

You don't know what "white privilege" is if you think you have zero. Hint: It does not include being handed anything by virtue of being white. It does not mean being issued the keys to a McMansion or a Lamborghini becaus you are white.

I would say educate yourself on what white privilege is, because clearly you have no idea, but since this post makes it abundantly clear that you're either a Drumpf voter or a "libertarian," I would be wasting my keystrokes.



You need to educate yourself on what privilege is. Its surely not the poor kids living in Appalachia who are white.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be happy about this at all. not the school's place to take this to a personal level. I dont want my kids to feel bad or guilty about who they are. we teach kindness and respect for all at home.


This is the problem with “nice white ladies.” The are comfortable with the status quo and won’t take steps to fight racism. You can acknowledge your privilege and not feel guilt.


I have zero privilege. ZERO! I don't feel guilt as I've never had privilege.


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Anonymous wrote:Ok let’s talk about black privilege. It’s a thing it exists. Talking about differences is healthy pegging o e group as less than or inherently racist, Ie white privilege is reckless and dangerous. Creating a whole generation of white self loathing kids will only make everyone resentful and really racist in the long run.


Was the parent on the call and heard this verbatim? Regarding making everyone resentful and racist, that was here before talking about white privilege. Why did my parents have to deal with racism in the 60s, then the 70’s, then the 80’s etc.? Literally anything you do to try to fight racism will be used as the the reason for racism. Watch some of the school desegregation news footage.

If you have suggestions on effective ways to combat racism I would love to hear them.


Lets talk about 2020, not 30-40-50+ years ago. Back then my family was dealign the with Holocaust aftermath. But, since that didn't impact your family it isn't important.

Lets talk about the 500+ kids still separated from their families by the government. Is a black/African American kid at Sidwell whose parents will not buy him an iPhone 12 life more important than those kids who may never see their parents again? I don't see those Sidwell parents rushing to adopt or foster those kids. I don't see those Sidwell families inviting the kids from from the bad side of DC that live in absolute poverty to their homes, parties and schools. I don't see anyone stressing about the disparities in a school like ours to Sidwell (and not caring at all about Sidwell but someone else brought them up). Those families can pretend to scream equality and desegregation but every single private in this area is segregated, not by race but income.

It amazed me how people can focus on one cause to preach how superior they are and not look at so many of the other bad things happening in our country and our world.


Luckily it's, of course, not an either/or proposition and intelligent adults can hold more than one idea in their heads at a time.
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Anonymous wrote:Appropriate to high schoolers.


Not appropriate period. It’s another form of racism. Apparently ok to be racist along as it’s against white people. Disgusting


Oh good grief.
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OP here. Thanks for the responses. We are a new family to the school so that’s why I posted on here. We are trying to get more context on the lesson. Kids were told to write a list of their privileges and told to include race(if white), religion, cisgender, right handed, able bodied.
We came from a public school and I’m not sure if this would’ve been a lesson at that school. I think it’s a lesson to be taught in HS, where kids are better equipped to understand it.
Good thing is we had had meaningful conversation with DS yesterday about this and I’m sure we will continue to.

- Not Tucker Carlson
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ok let’s talk about black privilege. It’s a thing it exists. Talking about differences is healthy pegging o e group as less than or inherently racist, Ie white privilege is reckless and dangerous. Creating a whole generation of white self loathing kids will only make everyone resentful and really racist in the long run.


Was the parent on the call and heard this verbatim? Regarding making everyone resentful and racist, that was here before talking about white privilege. Why did my parents have to deal with racism in the 60s, then the 70’s, then the 80’s etc.? Literally anything you do to try to fight racism will be used as the the reason for racism. Watch some of the school desegregation news footage.

If you have suggestions on effective ways to combat racism I would love to hear them.


Lets talk about 2020, not 30-40-50+ years ago. Back then my family was dealign the with Holocaust aftermath. But, since that didn't impact your family it isn't important.


Where did I say that? Did I say anything about antisemitism not being real? Did I suggest that learning about the history or being aware it exists would make people more anti-Semitic? You do realize that my family can have Jewish heritage as well right?

Lets talk about the 500+ kids still separated from their families by the government. Is a black/African American kid at Sidwell whose parents will not buy him an iPhone 12 life more important than those kids who may never see their parents again?

Yes let’s talk about this. Who is in charge of the government....elected officials. Who is voting for the elected officials that are fine with 500+kids being separated from their families? So I am not sure why you see the kid at Sidwell as being the key to this issue in this moment when they likely can’t vote and even more so not in a swing state. They can as a school collect donations to send to the kids, which pre-COVID I have seen school in the area do.

I don't see those Sidwell parents rushing to adopt or foster those kids. I don't see those Sidwell families inviting the kids from from the bad side of DC that live in absolute poverty to their homes, parties and schools. I don't see anyone stressing about the disparities in a school like ours to Sidwell (and not caring at all about Sidwell but someone else brought them up). Those families can pretend to scream equality and desegregation but every single private in this area is segregated, not by race but income.


You realize the conversation started (probably by a troll but I will play along) by someone talking about privilege and not acknowledging it. I’m not sure how you want it both ways for people to say there is none but then say why aren’t using any of those privileges to help others. You also don’t know in what ways people are working to help others. Everyone can’t do everything but the questions is is everyone trying to do at least something so as a whole we move forward.

It amazed me how people can focus on one cause to preach how superior they are and not look at so many of the other bad things happening in our country and our world.


Hmmm.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks for the responses. We are a new family to the school so that’s why I posted on here. We are trying to get more context on the lesson. Kids were told to write a list of their privileges and told to include race(if white), religion, cisgender, right handed, able bodied.
We came from a public school and I’m not sure if this would’ve been a lesson at that school. I think it’s a lesson to be taught in HS, where kids are better equipped to understand it.
Good thing is we had had meaningful conversation with DS yesterday about this and I’m sure we will continue to.

- Not Tucker Carlson


This frame is a lot better than your first post OP. I think this is more than appropriate. The understanding that some of these things are “better” emerges in toddlerhood. So important to talk about this early and often.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to say much because I think I know this school and teacher because I used to work there. The school has made it a priority to teach a lot of super privileged kids that they are privileged. I don’t disagree. People who are really hurt or offended by this should ask themselves why they are. I suspect it is because they believe firmly that they deserve everything they have, and no luck was involved.


That is not the schools job and that is on the parents.

I am offended as we have zero privilege based off our skin color.

My kid is has had some very horrible things happen and nothing most people could understand so having him pretend he has this great privileged and forcing him to agree when he doesn't makes no sense.


Holy crap. I can't believe this many delusional, one-assumes-educated people send their children to private school.

You don't know what "white privilege" is if you think you have zero. Hint: It does not include being handed anything by virtue of being white. It does not mean being issued the keys to a McMansion or a Lamborghini becaus you are white.

I would say educate yourself on what white privilege is, because clearly you have no idea, but since this post makes it abundantly clear that you're either a Drumpf voter or a "libertarian," I would be wasting my keystrokes.



You need to educate yourself on what privilege is. Its surely not the poor kids living in Appalachia who are white.


NP: "Privilege" is a broad term that can be applied to a multitude of circumstances. Wealth and beauty have their privileges; education has its privileges, heritage has its privileges, VIP passes have attached privileges, age has its privileges, citizenship has it privileges, and so on. Each of those things can also carry with them disadvantages, and having them doesn't not always mean you enjoy the benefits. Cinderella certainly did not feel that beauty was was a privilege at the beginning of her tale because it made her the object of jealousy, scorn and abuse; but it would have been silly of her to try to argue that her individual circumstance meant that the privilege of beauty did not exist at all.

You do need to educate yourself on what "white privilege" is because your argument makes you look ignorant. "White privilege" means something very, very different from the kind of "privilege" you are referencing when you say poor kids in Appalachia are not privileged. "White privilege" doesn't mean "all white people enjoy the privileges of safety, wealth, education, and health." It does not mean all white people enjoy all the advantages in this world. Everyone knows they don't. That fact is not relevant to the discussion of "white privilege." Why? Because that is not what "white privilege" means. Do some open minded research and learn what people actually are talking about if you want to enter the argument, because you are failing in your uninformed attempt at this time.
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Anonymous wrote:Appropriate to high schoolers.


It’s really not. She put the kids in boxes without really knowing their true identities. Instead, she should’ve asked them to engage in some self-examination and write about how they are privileged and how they are not.


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NP: "Privilege" is a broad term that can be applied to a multitude of circumstances. Wealth and beauty have their privileges; education has its privileges, heritage has its privileges, VIP passes have attached privileges, age has its privileges, citizenship has it privileges, and so on. Each of those things can also carry with them disadvantages, and having them doesn't not always mean you enjoy the benefits. Cinderella certainly did not feel that beauty was was a privilege at the beginning of her tale because it made her the object of jealousy, scorn and abuse; but it would have been silly of her to try to argue that her individual circumstance meant that the privilege of beauty did not exist at all.

You do need to educate yourself on what "white privilege" is because your argument makes you look ignorant. "White privilege" means something very, very different from the kind of "privilege" you are referencing when you say poor kids in Appalachia are not privileged. "White privilege" doesn't mean "all white people enjoy the privileges of safety, wealth, education, and health." It does not mean all white people enjoy all the advantages in this world. Everyone knows they don't. That fact is not relevant to the discussion of "white privilege." Why? Because that is not what "white privilege" means. Do some open minded research and learn what people actually are talking about if you want to enter the argument, because you are failing in your uninformed attempt at this time.


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I'm the PP who grew up in a shockingly poor area, in a rural community decimated by meth. If you asked me to complete the assignment in the OP, I would start with:

Privileges: white, able-bodied, cis, English speaking in the US, college degree

Marginalizations: 1G college student, grew up poor, abuse survivor, no safety net

See how my whiteness didn't protect me from the other marginalizations, but neither did they contribute to them? It's hard to be a 1G college student, working while I go to school, and dealing with a history of abuse. But it would be harder to be all those things and Black, because race intersects with other marginalizations.

My path from poverty to a stable middle-class life was not easy, but it wasn't made harder by my race.

That's all this assignment is about, and I wouldn't hesitate at all for my upper elementary schooler to begin wrestling with all of this.
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NP: "Privilege" is a broad term that can be applied to a multitude of circumstances. Wealth and beauty have their privileges; education has its privileges, heritage has its privileges, VIP passes have attached privileges, age has its privileges, citizenship has it privileges, and so on. Each of those things can also carry with them disadvantages, and having them doesn't not always mean you enjoy the benefits. Cinderella certainly did not feel that beauty was was a privilege at the beginning of her tale because it made her the object of jealousy, scorn and abuse; but it would have been silly of her to try to argue that her individual circumstance meant that the privilege of beauty did not exist at all.

You do need to educate yourself on what "white privilege" is because your argument makes you look ignorant. "White privilege" means something very, very different from the kind of "privilege" you are referencing when you say poor kids in Appalachia are not privileged. "White privilege" doesn't mean "all white people enjoy the privileges of safety, wealth, education, and health." It does not mean all white people enjoy all the advantages in this world. Everyone knows they don't. That fact is not relevant to the discussion of "white privilege." Why? Because that is not what "white privilege" means. Do some open minded research and learn what people actually are talking about if you want to enter the argument, because you are failing in your uninformed attempt at this time.


+1

I'm the PP who grew up in a shockingly poor area, in a rural community decimated by meth. If you asked me to complete the assignment in the OP, I would start with:

Privileges: white, able-bodied, cis, English speaking in the US, college degree

Marginalizations: 1G college student, grew up poor, abuse survivor, no safety net

See how my whiteness didn't protect me from the other marginalizations, but neither did they contribute to them? It's hard to be a 1G college student, working while I go to school, and dealing with a history of abuse. But it would be harder to be all those things and Black, because race intersects with other marginalizations.

My path from poverty to a stable middle-class life was not easy, but it wasn't made harder by my race.

That's all this assignment is about, and I wouldn't hesitate at all for my upper elementary schooler to begin wrestling with all of this.


Why all the focus on immutable traits though? How about focusing on character and responsibility? Hard work and perseverance? Resilience? All this “check your privilege” talk is about knocking people down a few pegs. How about acknowledging that those fortunate to have resources have a responsibility to give back to their communities? Where is that discussion?

What does examining privilege get us beyond guilt or resentment?
Anonymous
White privilege is born out of the desire to deflect cause for the inability of a singular group of minorities not performing and growing as they had hoped. It has really nothing to do with actual white people; only to try and guilt them into giving more in terms of economics and opportunity. That's it. Yes..it's a made-up idea. Just ignore it. It'll go away too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
NP: "Privilege" is a broad term that can be applied to a multitude of circumstances. Wealth and beauty have their privileges; education has its privileges, heritage has its privileges, VIP passes have attached privileges, age has its privileges, citizenship has it privileges, and so on. Each of those things can also carry with them disadvantages, and having them doesn't not always mean you enjoy the benefits. Cinderella certainly did not feel that beauty was was a privilege at the beginning of her tale because it made her the object of jealousy, scorn and abuse; but it would have been silly of her to try to argue that her individual circumstance meant that the privilege of beauty did not exist at all.

You do need to educate yourself on what "white privilege" is because your argument makes you look ignorant. "White privilege" means something very, very different from the kind of "privilege" you are referencing when you say poor kids in Appalachia are not privileged. "White privilege" doesn't mean "all white people enjoy the privileges of safety, wealth, education, and health." It does not mean all white people enjoy all the advantages in this world. Everyone knows they don't. That fact is not relevant to the discussion of "white privilege." Why? Because that is not what "white privilege" means. Do some open minded research and learn what people actually are talking about if you want to enter the argument, because you are failing in your uninformed attempt at this time.


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I'm the PP who grew up in a shockingly poor area, in a rural community decimated by meth. If you asked me to complete the assignment in the OP, I would start with:

Privileges: white, able-bodied, cis, English speaking in the US, college degree

Marginalizations: 1G college student, grew up poor, abuse survivor, no safety net

See how my whiteness didn't protect me from the other marginalizations, but neither did they contribute to them? It's hard to be a 1G college student, working while I go to school, and dealing with a history of abuse. But it would be harder to be all those things and Black, because race intersects with other marginalizations.

My path from poverty to a stable middle-class life was not easy, but it wasn't made harder by my race.

That's all this assignment is about, and I wouldn't hesitate at all for my upper elementary schooler to begin wrestling with all of this.


Why all the focus on immutable traits though? How about focusing on character and responsibility? Hard work and perseverance? Resilience? All this “check your privilege” talk is about knocking people down a few pegs. How about acknowledging that those fortunate to have resources have a responsibility to give back to their communities? Where is that discussion?

What does examining privilege get us beyond guilt or resentment?


Yes absolutely this!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Teacher is Muslim, the class is very small and is a mix of white and non -white. She pointed out the kids who were non -white by name and stated that they must know how it feels to be bullied just like she does. She told the kids to write about their privileges and the kids were confused. She said write down that you are white and European looking and not transgender. Is this appropriate? 5th grade.


NP. My initial reaction to this is that it sounds like the kids are a little young for this. I thought about it though and I think the teacher was trying to make a point. It sounds a little bit like this lesson the blue eyed brown eyed experiment. When you watch it it’s a little hard to watch because some of the kids get very upset but I think she was trying to make a point and did so brilliantly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=oGvoXeXCoUY
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
NP: "Privilege" is a broad term that can be applied to a multitude of circumstances. Wealth and beauty have their privileges; education has its privileges, heritage has its privileges, VIP passes have attached privileges, age has its privileges, citizenship has it privileges, and so on. Each of those things can also carry with them disadvantages, and having them doesn't not always mean you enjoy the benefits. Cinderella certainly did not feel that beauty was was a privilege at the beginning of her tale because it made her the object of jealousy, scorn and abuse; but it would have been silly of her to try to argue that her individual circumstance meant that the privilege of beauty did not exist at all.

You do need to educate yourself on what "white privilege" is because your argument makes you look ignorant. "White privilege" means something very, very different from the kind of "privilege" you are referencing when you say poor kids in Appalachia are not privileged. "White privilege" doesn't mean "all white people enjoy the privileges of safety, wealth, education, and health." It does not mean all white people enjoy all the advantages in this world. Everyone knows they don't. That fact is not relevant to the discussion of "white privilege." Why? Because that is not what "white privilege" means. Do some open minded research and learn what people actually are talking about if you want to enter the argument, because you are failing in your uninformed attempt at this time.


+1



I'm the PP who grew up in a shockingly poor area, in a rural community decimated by meth. If you asked me to complete the assignment in the OP, I would start with:

Privileges: white, able-bodied, cis, English speaking in the US, college degree

Marginalizations: 1G college student, grew up poor, abuse survivor, no safety net

See how my whiteness didn't protect me from the other marginalizations, but neither did they contribute to them? It's hard to be a 1G college student, working while I go to school, and dealing with a history of abuse. But it would be harder to be all those things and Black, because race intersects with other marginalizations.

My path from poverty to a stable middle-class life was not easy, but it wasn't made harder by my race.

That's all this assignment is about, and I wouldn't hesitate at all for my upper elementary schooler to begin wrestling with all of this.


Why all the focus on immutable traits though? How about focusing on character and responsibility? Hard work and perseverance? Resilience? All this “check your privilege” talk is about knocking people down a few pegs. How about acknowledging that those fortunate to have resources have a responsibility to give back to their communities? Where is that discussion?

What does examining privilege get us beyond guilt or resentment?


Yes absolutely this!


Why do you think examining privilege is the end state instead of the first step? Also the responsibility isn’t just to help your own community. In the case of 1G students, would you expect someone with no one in the family that has gone to college to help other 1G students fill out college applications or someone that has recognized that one of their privileges is having generations of college educated family members and uses that privilege to help someone without it? That doesn’t mean that people that were the first generation have zero responsibility to give back but rather they shouldn’t be expected to carry that responsibility alone as the marginalized community. Also, the “check your privilege” talk IMO isn’t about knocking someone down a peg. Like I woke up this morning and thought ohhh, that will sure knock Larlo down a peg if we talk about privilege. Just no. Now if Larlo is insistent that we lead the exact same lives and doesn’t see why we could possibly need a program that helps first generation college students transition to college or a volunteer/mentoring to help with college applications this is where understanding privilege and marginalization is helpful to either feel a responsibility to help or not make it harder for the people that are helping.



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