Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes a social worker will stop the rapists and robbers!!

Because an army of police have done such a great job stopping rape and robbery?

What social workers do you think want to do these things? That’s something that I don’t get with this argument. Social workers didn’t sign up for those jobs. What makes you think this is something they will be comfortable doing?

Didnt you hear? They'll just retrain a bunch of starbucks baristas and unemployed people to do crisis intervention. Going to go smoothly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have developed my own slogan which I think better embraces the thoughts behind the statement. It is Reduce, Reallocate, Reform

Reduce what?

Do you have the internet? Have you tried clicking on any of the numerous articles about just what defunding the police means? Is it really that hard to get a grasp of what they're proposing?

Actually, yes, it's hard. I have a hard time absorbing insane proposals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.

The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.

The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

Why would it matter whether its a marshal service or police officer? The only difference is the name. Its form over substance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

It'll increase the funding of those social services that are designed to HELP people who need actual help instead of cops out to solve everything.
Did you see that jackass cop in Fairfax come out to a scene where a guy was in the midst of some drug-induced psychosis? Cop just came out and tasered him as opposed to try and help him.
Know why? Cause that's primarily what cops are trained to do - fire weapons and beat the shit out of people. That is one example of an instance where cops were NOT needed but because we rely on cops for everything more citizens than necessary are getting shot and getting the shit kicked out them.

Who do you plan to send in the middle of exited delirium?
A social worker? A paramedic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.

The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

Why would it matter whether its a marshal service or police officer? The only difference is the name. Its form over substance.

No, the idea would be that is their only job rather than the myriad of jobs that the police are tasked with today, many of which they are unsuited to fulfill or whose special skills are wasted on more administrative tasks.

[Anonymous]

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What's the plan to deal with 300 lbs convicted felon high on meth and fentanyl that is resisting arrest?

In the long term, the plan is that the money we save by not equipping police forces like an occupying army (literally, since they are using Iraq/Afghanistan surplus) would be used to ensure there are fewer meth and fentanyl addicts, and that people who remain drug dependent aren't criming to fuel their addiction.

OK, thanks for the warning.
With your kill them with love plan I am getting a concealed carry permit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

It'll increase the funding of those social services that are designed to HELP people who need actual help instead of cops out to solve everything.
Did you see that jackass cop in Fairfax come out to a scene where a guy was in the midst of some drug-induced psychosis? Cop just came out and tasered him as opposed to try and help him.
Know why? Cause that's primarily what cops are trained to do - fire weapons and beat the shit out of people. That is one example of an instance where cops were NOT needed but because we rely on cops for everything more citizens than necessary are getting shot and getting the shit kicked out them.

Who do you plan to send in the middle of exited delirium?
A social worker? A paramedic?

Honestly, what makes a police officer better-suited to help in this situation? It's not like they've received specialized training in how to deal with the mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

It'll increase the funding of those social services that are designed to HELP people who need actual help instead of cops out to solve everything.
Did you see that jackass cop in Fairfax come out to a scene where a guy was in the midst of some drug-induced psychosis? Cop just came out and tasered him as opposed to try and help him.
Know why? Cause that's primarily what cops are trained to do - fire weapons and beat the shit out of people. That is one example of an instance where cops were NOT needed but because we rely on cops for everything more citizens than necessary are getting shot and getting the shit kicked out them.

Who do you plan to send in the middle of exited delirium?
A social worker? A paramedic?

Honestly, what makes a police officer better-suited to help in this situation? It's not like they've received specialized training in how to deal with the mentally ill.

^^ Sorry drug addicts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.

The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

Why would it matter whether its a marshal service or police officer? The only difference is the name. Its form over substance.

No, the idea would be that is their only job rather than the myriad of jobs that the police are tasked with today, many of which they are unsuited to fulfill or whose special skills are wasted on more administrative tasks.

Sounds nice in theory I would wager a bet that this will create enormous inefficiencies, information siloing and other ill effects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems that everyone has a different vision for what "defund" means. A number retain a small armed police force for those types of situations, but not for routine actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have developed my own slogan which I think better embraces the thoughts behind the statement. It is Reduce, Reallocate, Reform

Reduce what?

Not PP, but I think by reduce they mean to reduce the number of sworn officers. Considering most PD's are understaffed now I really don't think it's a well thought out idea.

It will be hell for every law abiding citizen. But since we are on our own with this plan, it cancels gun control talk permanently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?

You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.

The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

Why would it matter whether its a marshal service or police officer? The only difference is the name. Its form over substance.

Marshals are trained better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have developed my own slogan which I think better embraces the thoughts behind the statement. It is Reduce, Reallocate, Reform

Reduce what?

Not PP, but I think by reduce they mean to reduce the number of sworn officers. Considering most PD's are understaffed now I really don't think it's a well thought out idea.

It will be hell for every law abiding citizen. But since we are on our own with this plan, it cancels gun control talk permanently.

Makes me think of a low-grade Purge that never ends...