The quiet rooms

[Anonymous]

I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf? One of the examples is a kid who wet his pants in the seclusion room and then pooped and was then left naked for almost an hour to run around swearing poop all over while the aide watched from outside and took notes.

This happened to a female student in my friend’s school. At one point, she was naked and covered in poop without so much as a blanket in the AC. My friend quit the next day.

But what is the alternative? If you had gone to school for the purpose of educating children and were making maybe 60k/year, would YOU physically restrain a child who is running around smearing poop?

If you had gone to a good school that teaches you that there are more than cookie cutter kids out in this world you would not get to the point of having a child smeared with feces. Teaching is not something you decide to do because your spouse got a good job on the hill and your degree in marketing is not marketable.

BS. No training prepares anyone for the reality of a kid running around smearing poop. That is absolutely something that no gen ed or even self contained sped room should deal with. That's psychiatric hospital time.

[Anonymous]

Some kids with I/DD or autism smear poop. The only thing a psych hospital does is Medicate the individual until they are stable, then discharge them. That does nothing towards addressing the behavior, whether it is poop smearing or aggression.
If a kid with I/DD or autism is displaying maladaptive behaviors that the teacher can’t control, an IEP meeting needs to be held to decide if more supports (1:1 aide?) are needed or whether the behavior plan need to be revised, or whether a school change or program change is needed.
(PS: psychiatric beds for adolescents with I/DD in Maryland are insufficient so the child/parents may end up waiting for days (I have known families who waited 5 days) in an emergency room bay waiting for a psych bed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

Actually, if schools more appropriately spent the money they have, they could do more with less. Higher taxes isn't going to help. We could for one cut down central office and have 1/3 the staff and take away their expense accounts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

What??? All of the NT kids parents would revolt, and there are a lot more of us. There is already a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money and classroom teacher effort devoted to the SN kids. I would seriously move to another county if my county voted to do this.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.

If your child had cancer and was in the hospital, you would be at their side constantly for treatment. You would not expect the hospital staff to handle it. You would want to see for yourself that the appropriate treatment was being delivered and your child was being treated kindly. You would not go attend a work meeting while your child is getting a radiation treatment or bone marrow transplant. So the two are obviously not the same if it is unreasonable for you to be at school all day while your child is attempting to harm himself or others.

Attending school is not a "treatment." It's something that all children are entitled to. Heck, schools are even legally obligated to educate people who aren't nice people- like people who think that disabled kids aren't worthy of education. You were allowed to attend school, right?

If a school day is 8 hours and it is possible that your child may have a 10 minute event during the day, is it reasonable to ask that a parent sits outside the classroom waiting for the tantrum to happen? What if the parent works? Should we ask the parent to quit his job and go on welfare so he can be available in case that 10 minute tantrum happens? Is it better to pay all those parents welfare?

You have a lot of criticisms but no actual solutions.

Expecting a teacher to magically get your child to behave when you the parent have failed to do this is absolutely expecting the teacher to “treat” your child.

I expect a teacher to not humiliate and shame my child in front of other classmates for having a disability. It’s no wonder that the child melted down because he was being bullied - by the teacher who was supposed to be helping him. My child’s teacher evidently thought that teaching AAP would be easy and that she wouldn’t have to deal with any SN students in her class. Years later, I’m still furious about what happened to him.

And clearly still in denial that the class was not the right for for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

Op here. This is what I agree with. Happily give up the Beamer and lattes for more for schools. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

What??? All of the NT kids parents would revolt, and there are a lot more of us. There is already a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money and classroom teacher effort devoted to the SN kids. I would seriously move to another county if my county voted to do this.

Bye Felicia

[Anonymous]

who keeps posting this type of story?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

What??? All of the NT kids parents would revolt, and there are a lot more of us. There is already a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money and classroom teacher effort devoted to the SN kids. I would seriously move to another county if my county voted to do this.

Bye Felicia

Sorry you know I’m right. It will never happen.

[Anonymous]

this is terrifying. I don't have kids yet, but I wouldn't want my child around any of these kids that need to be secluded nor would I want them to be secluded themselves. it's a lose lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this is terrifying. I don't have kids yet, but I wouldn't want my child around any of these kids that need to be secluded nor would I want them to be secluded themselves. it's a lose lose.

The thread got somewhat derailed from the article OP posted about. A lot of the use of seclusion was NOT for the reasons such rooms are reserved for in, say, hospital treatment settings but for routine behavior issues. In fact, if a hospital or even a residential treatment center used the rooms as described in many cases, their licenses would be at risk--but there is less oversight of the schools which use them.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.

If your child had cancer and was in the hospital, you would be at their side constantly for treatment. You would not expect the hospital staff to handle it. You would want to see for yourself that the appropriate treatment was being delivered and your child was being treated kindly. You would not go attend a work meeting while your child is getting a radiation treatment or bone marrow transplant. So the two are obviously not the same if it is unreasonable for you to be at school all day while your child is attempting to harm himself or others.

Attending school is not a "treatment." It's something that all children are entitled to. Heck, schools are even legally obligated to educate people who aren't nice people- like people who think that disabled kids aren't worthy of education. You were allowed to attend school, right?

If a school day is 8 hours and it is possible that your child may have a 10 minute event during the day, is it reasonable to ask that a parent sits outside the classroom waiting for the tantrum to happen? What if the parent works? Should we ask the parent to quit his job and go on welfare so he can be available in case that 10 minute tantrum happens? Is it better to pay all those parents welfare?

You have a lot of criticisms but no actual solutions.

Expecting a teacher to magically get your child to behave when you the parent have failed to do this is absolutely expecting the teacher to “treat” your child.

I expect a teacher to not humiliate and shame my child in front of other classmates for having a disability. It’s no wonder that the child melted down because he was being bullied - by the teacher who was supposed to be helping him. My child’s teacher evidently thought that teaching AAP would be easy and that she wouldn’t have to deal with any SN students in her class. Years later, I’m still furious about what happened to him.

And clearly still in denial that the class was not the right for for him.

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You’re right. It wasn’t the right class for him. The teacher was incompetent and couldn’t manage her class. After getting him out, things were much better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP I just want to make sure I understand. You think it would be fine to tell the parent to treat the cancer patient at home with no school or hospital help? Because it sounds like that is what you are suggesting.

If your child had cancer and was in the hospital, you would be at their side constantly for treatment. You would not expect the hospital staff to handle it. You would want to see for yourself that the appropriate treatment was being delivered and your child was being treated kindly. You would not go attend a work meeting while your child is getting a radiation treatment or bone marrow transplant. So the two are obviously not the same if it is unreasonable for you to be at school all day while your child is attempting to harm himself or others.

I would say it's more like an epileptic attack than cancer. If a child has a seizure in school, we expect the school to handle it. It is expected that the parents would have provided appropriate medication and knowledge transfer to the teacher and nurse. It would not be expected that the parent be on premises just in case the child had an attack in order to handle it. If the child's seizures were beyond what the staff could handle, we would expect the school system to find a way to provide FAPE. For many of the SN children, that placement is a non public placement. For either medical or behavioral issues that require a different placement, there has to be a lot of documentation as to why the LRE is not appropriate and the child needs a different placement. It is not a quick process.

If your child had a seizure at school, you would come pick them. Many parents on the SN forum have advised other parents to not pick up their children who were destroying classrooms and admin offices.

You lie bigly.

This thread was pretty mild, but you can see the advice and “rationale”. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/805071.page#15052167

You still lie. This was a hypothetical situation. What is your rationale that you’re an a-hole?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, parents advocated for their kids to be in inclusive mainstream schools and classes. Cake, meet eating it too.

What’s the alternative? Leave them in the classroom when having a meltdown where they could harm another student? Placing them in the hall won’t work, either. Trying to transport them to the office could cause big injuries because teachers cannot touch them. Honestly, while horrific sounding, these rooms seem like the best option.

My SIL has had her fingers and wrist broken on 3 separate occasions by out of control kids. Not many people outside of athletes can say that’s happened to them at work. There are absolutely kids who spend hours in these rooms because there is no other alternative according to her. Even the behavioral specialists cannot deescalate some kids.

Your SIL needs a new job. Either her school and admin is crap or she is a crappy teacher. I have a family of teachers not one has been touched by a kid.
And were are talking taught kids that have ; abused kids, one went on to commit suicide, armed robberies, etc... Your SIL is not telling you the whole story.

There have been several threads on the education boards by teachers asking what they should do regarding violent students and administrations that do nothing.

My SIL is a teacher and has been hurt by a student. It’s much more common now than you think.