cutoff scores for Fairfax County GT centers for this year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi,
My kid has 123 on the Cogat and 119 on the NNAT. She has outstanding academic credentials - her teachers are willing to go the extra mile to recommend her. We are not trying to push her into something she is not upto yet at the same time know she deserves more.

A few questions
1. Does she stand a chance? What steps to taken to try for that.
2. Also the NNAt score does not show number of questions attempted. The cogat one does shows questions attempted. She was saying she may have skipped a page.

Thanks in advance.

Yes, she does stand a chance. Are you submitting additional information this week with the parent questionnaire? That would (likely, but not definitely) boost her chances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't see if anyone mention that they had kids not attending FCPS, taking WISC and getting into the AAP program with a score? My son doesn't attend FCPS so we had him take the WISC-IV. He had a "Full Scale Score of 128 (range 122-132) which has him at the 97th percentile. How can we find out what the typical cut off or profile would look like if the kid isn't in FCPS and taking the other two tests?

I think the subtest scores would reveal more. Did he do especially well in one or more subtests? I would think that would bode well.

He got the following

VCI - 114 - 82%
PRI - 129 - 97%
WMI - 126 - 96%
PSI - 118 - 88%

Subtests - Verbal
Similarities - 11 - 63%
Vocabulary - 14 - 91%
Comprehension - 13 - 84%
Information - 16 - 98%

Perceptual Reasoning
Block Design - 14 - 91%
Picture Concepts - 15 - 95%
Matrix Resoning - 15 - 95%

Working Memory
Digit Span - 13 - 84%
Let-Num Sequ - 16 - 98%

Processing Speed
Coding - 11 - 63%
Symbol Search - 15 - 95%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't see if anyone mention that they had kids not attending FCPS, taking WISC and getting into the AAP program with a score? My son doesn't attend FCPS so we had him take the WISC-IV. He had a "Full Scale Score of 128 (range 122-132) which has him at the 97th percentile. How can we find out what the typical cut off or profile would look like if the kid isn't in FCPS and taking the other two tests?

I think the subtest scores would reveal more. Did he do especially well in one or more subtests? I would think that would bode well.

He got the following

VCI - 114 - 82%
PRI - 129 - 97%
WMI - 126 - 96%
PSI - 118 - 88%

You may find this helpful, esp. re: the VCI and PRI subtests:

http://www.sciencedestinations.org/images/2009symposium-Maxwell.pdf

[Anonymous]

02/03/2010 13:24 - Thanks a lot for the reply. We have submitted the information. With regards to the number of questions attempted on the NNAT - the score sheet does not show that. How do we know ? While I cannot say with with any level of gaurantee that my child has not attempted a few questions she has skipped questions on multiple times in the past and so I would like to give her the benefit of doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:02/03/2010 13:24 - Thanks a lot for the reply. We have submitted the information. With regards to the number of questions attempted on the NNAT - the score sheet does not show that. How do we know ? While I cannot say with with any level of gaurantee that my child has not attempted a few questions she has skipped questions on multiple times in the past and so I would like to give her the benefit of doubt.

I think the NNAT sheet you got in the mail with the scores says how many were attempted.

[Anonymous]

The NNAT sheet does not have attempted questions. The COGAT one does. Is there a way to ask someone at FCPS regarding this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Hi,
My kid has 123 on the Cogat and 119 on the NNAT. She has outstanding academic credentials - her teachers are willing to go the extra mile to recommend her. We are not trying to push her into something she is not upto yet at the same time know she deserves more.

A few questions
1. Does she stand a chance? What steps to taken to try for that.
2. Also the NNAt score does not show number of questions attempted. The cogat one does shows questions attempted. She was saying she may have skipped a page.

Thanks in advance.

Yes, she does stand a chance. Are you submitting additional information this week with the parent questionnaire? That would (likely, but not definitely) boost her chances.

My child has similar scores, and the AAP specialist at our school thinks he has a pretty good chance because the school is strongly supportive of him. We are submitting a parent referral and the other materials, and I know the school is going to rate him well on the GBRS; I met with his teacher a few weeks ago to talk about it and the teacher also felt he has a good shot and is going to put some strong comments on the GBRS form.

As far as skipping a page on the NNAT, I'm not sure you can "prove" that's what happened so I don't know if it will help your case. Your DD may very well have skipped a page (that would be SUCH a shame if that's what brought down her score!), but you don't KNOW that she did, the test was a long time ago so her recollection may not be very good, and it may be hard to include that as your theory of why her score isn't higher. I'm not basing that on anything, really, just a gut reaction. The scores are not terrible, however, and you should still have a decent chance if you put a solid parent referral file together.

[Anonymous]

02/03/2010 15:31

Thanks a lot for your input and support. We will try.

[Anonymous]

I spoke to our AAP coordinator at Louise Archer and scores in the mid/upper 120s are solid and with good reportcard (majority of O's, and 1 or 2 S's), and GBRS 10+. We were also told to not clutter the file with examples of work--keep it focus on the best even if you don't use all 5 pages. PLUS--schedule NOW to have your child take the WISC IV in April in case you need it for an appeal. If you child has below 120 on the schools scores, you'll need the WISC (FSIQ 132+) now and the the Stanford-Beniet (MAYBE) in the appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I spoke to our AAP coordinator at Louise Archer and scores in the mid/upper 120s are solid and with good reportcard (majority of O's, and 1 or 2 S's), and GBRS 10+. We were also told to not clutter the file with examples of work--keep it focus on the best even if you don't use all 5 pages. PLUS--schedule NOW to have your child take the WISC IV in April in case you need it for an appeal. If you child has below 120 on the schools scores, you'll need the WISC (FSIQ 132+) now and the the Stanford-Beniet (MAYBE) in the appeal.

Thank you for this informative post!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child got a 133 in wisc total score. She didn't do so well in the nnat and cogat (highest was 127 on a subscore). Should I just submit the wisc score and leave out the group test scores? Is 133 wisc high enough? How does it correlate to the county cutoff score of 130.. are they the same numbers basically?

Did your child already take the NNAT and CoGAT through the county and you had her retested? Or was this testing the first group testing?

I would definitely submit the WISC-IV scores -- but if your daughter took the NNAT and CoGAT tests a second time (within a year) I would not submit the scores as I didn't think children were supposed to be retested (with the same test) within a 12 month period.

DD took nnat and cogat last fall, with a high score of 127. Didn't like those scores so much, so she just took the WISC and got a 133. The WISC was an individual test. She only took the nnat and cogat one time.

Will a 133 full scale score by itself get her in? She got a 141 in one of the subtests. I think the lowest subtest was 118 or something like that. Is this like getting a 133 on the cogat/nnat? Do they compare equally like that?

[Anonymous]

Sigh...spent last night and today getting our information pulled together and all pretty. And then they cancel school for tomorrow because of pending snowpocalypse. I emailed our AA teacher and she said the info could be turned in the next day school was open. Whew!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child got a 133 in wisc total score. She didn't do so well in the nnat and cogat (highest was 127 on a subscore). Should I just submit the wisc score and leave out the group test scores? Is 133 wisc high enough? How does it correlate to the county cutoff score of 130.. are they the same numbers basically?

Did your child already take the NNAT and CoGAT through the county and you had her retested? Or was this testing the first group testing?

I would definitely submit the WISC-IV scores -- but if your daughter took the NNAT and CoGAT tests a second time (within a year) I would not submit the scores as I didn't think children were supposed to be retested (with the same test) within a 12 month period.

DD took nnat and cogat last fall, with a high score of 127. Didn't like those scores so much, so she just took the WISC and got a 133. The WISC was an individual test. She only took the nnat and cogat one time.

Will a 133 full scale score by itself get her in? She got a 141 in one of the subtests. I think the lowest subtest was 118 or something like that. Is this like getting a 133 on the cogat/nnat? Do they compare equally like that?

Those are excelllent scores. MY EC got COGAT 127 and NNAT 128 with WISC IV 143 on then full scale IQ (verbal 145, PCI 140, Working memory 133 and processing speed 131. I'm also submittting Wood-Cock Johnson scores (reading 135 and Math 143). AAP coordinator says these are gold and keep the file to a minumum. I'm an Army brat and "keep it simple stupid" comes to mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sigh...spent last night and today getting our information pulled together and all pretty. And then they cancel school for tomorrow because of pending snowpocalypse. I emailed our AA teacher and she said the info could be turned in the next day school was open. Whew!

That's good that they will take it on Monday (or whenever they finally go back to school). I would assume they would have to since the school is not open. Our AAP coordinator is only at our school 2 days a week (and Friday is not one of them) so she had requested it by today. I sent it in to her this morning. In light of the upcoming storm, it was a relief that I did.

[Anonymous]

Posted on the FCPS website:

http://www.fcps.edu/DIS/gt/

If FCPS schools are closed due to inclement weather on Friday February 5,
the deadline for Level IV referrals will be extended to
Monday, February 8 or the next day that FCPS schools are open.