Barca Academy Question (outside NOVA area)

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Anonymous wrote:Like it was stated by a PP all the kids at Barca were B,C, or D team level players from previous clubs. The talent level is down a notch which makes these kids appear to have gotten better.When in actuality they're just the better group of a pool of lower level teams. Im not knocking Barca its simply another travel club rather than local branding. They are a franchise from a pro club. But not a jr academy as a pipeline to the big club. People have a choice to tryout at at any club if they make it they are placed at the appropriate level based on the talent pool at that club. I would hope if there were a diamond in the rough player that turns up at Barca. They would do the right thing and guide that player to the correct setting. I mean an ECNL or DA program to help that player develop into the best player they can become. As for the other 99.9% of players help them make the most out of their travel soccer experience.

Not ALL the kids. Some kids were at DA programs and left in favor of Barca. Those parents are as happy with the program as other levels. And that's an interesting put down to imply they only "appear to have gotten better".

There are better and worse teams. I have seen some amazing talent at Barca, and some not as talented.

Don't misunderstand me either. I'm not saying players should or shouldn't leave or join DA, Barca, or anything. But sometimes a DA or ECNL club has the benefit of a greater talent pool and isn't necessarily a good organization. Pages and pages of posts have been filled with criticisms of those programs too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like it was stated by a PP all the kids at Barca were B,C, or D team level players from previous clubs. The talent level is down a notch which makes these kids appear to have gotten better.When in actuality they're just the better group of a pool of lower level teams. Im not knocking Barca its simply another travel club rather than local branding. They are a franchise from a pro club. But not a jr academy as a pipeline to the big club. People have a choice to tryout at at any club if they make it they are placed at the appropriate level based on the talent pool at that club. I would hope if there were a diamond in the rough player that turns up at Barca. They would do the right thing and guide that player to the correct setting. I mean an ECNL or DA program to help that player develop into the best player they can become. As for the other 99.9% of players help them make the most out of their travel soccer experience.

Not ALL the kids. Some kids were at DA programs and left in favor of Barca. Those parents are as happy with the program as other levels. And that's an interesting put down to imply they only "appear to have gotten better".

There are better and worse teams. I have seen some amazing talent at Barca, and some not as talented.

Don't misunderstand me either. I'm not saying players should or shouldn't leave or join DA, Barca, or anything. But sometimes a DA or ECNL club has the benefit of a greater talent pool and isn't necessarily a good organization. Pages and pages of posts have been filled with criticisms of those programs too.

I totally agree with you. I would just hope Barca as well as any other travel club would do the right thing by any truly elite player they may come upon and direct them to the right program to help them become the best they can be. And I didn't mean it as a put down but when you have mostly B & C team players all together the best become that clubs A team. Where as that group of kids were B or C team level at their old club. Its not because the got better all of the sudden they just became the best available in that clubs player pool making them that clubs A team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do people think the quality of coaching is high at Barca Va?

Do people think the quality of coaching is high at Barca Nashville?

Do people think the quality of coaching is high at other is based “academies”?

"Do people think the quality of coaching is high at Barca Nashville?"

How the hell would we know?

There is a civil discussion here and then you.

Yup, keep asking people 600 miles away about coaches at your Tennessee club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Like it was stated by a PP all the kids at Barca were B,C, or D team level players from previous clubs. The talent level is down a notch which makes these kids appear to have gotten better.When in actuality they're just the better group of a pool of lower level teams. Im not knocking Barca its simply another travel club rather than local branding. They are a franchise from a pro club. But not a jr academy as a pipeline to the big club. People have a choice to tryout at at any club if they make it they are placed at the appropriate level based on the talent pool at that club. I would hope if there were a diamond in the rough player that turns up at Barca. They would do the right thing and guide that player to the correct setting. I mean an ECNL or DA program to help that player develop into the best player they can become. As for the other 99.9% of players help them make the most out of their travel soccer experience.

Not ALL the kids. Some kids were at DA programs and left in favor of Barca. Those parents are as happy with the program as other levels. And that's an interesting put down to imply they only "appear to have gotten better".

There are better and worse teams. I have seen some amazing talent at Barca, and some not as talented.

Don't misunderstand me either. I'm not saying players should or shouldn't leave or join DA, Barca, or anything. But sometimes a DA or ECNL club has the benefit of a greater talent pool and isn't necessarily a good organization. Pages and pages of posts have been filled with criticisms of those programs too.

I totally agree with you. I would just hope Barca as well as any other travel club would do the right thing by any truly elite player they may come upon and direct them to the right program to help them become the best they can be. And I didn't mean it as a put down but when you have mostly B & C team players all together the best become that clubs A team. Where as that group of kids were B or C team level at their old club. Its not because the got better all of the sudden they just became the best available in that clubs player pool making them that clubs A team.

Your post is fair in some senses. Honestly, I don't know what the program would be. That's my personal opinion. When I look at the programs in DMV, there are no stand outs where I'm like wow, if you can get in there, that's such a great program. And my thoughts on improvement aren't because of something instantaneous. I agree that would be suspect if that were the case. True development is gradual over time and I am referring to where my son was at at the start of last fall versus where he is at now.

The Barca talent experience right now remains team dependent. Some teams are excellent, and those teams are in better EDP divisions and higher tournament brackets. I do think we have a dearth of goalkeepers, which hurts some teams' results.

But as for directing, other than DAs and ECNLs, everything else is the same. And for parents with those kids, who doesn't know there are DA and ECNL options? Just because a kid can go that route doesn't mean they want to, especially if they are unhappy with the coaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some people mistakenly think by the mere joining of a Barca program, their kid will magically become several levels better. The program can only take your kid as far as the kid's actual potential.

This couldn’t be further from the truth. Pretty much all the parents there are aware of what talent level their kids are. Many/most were B,C, D team kids who left their crappy club coaches for a better training environment.

Other parents and kids simply prefer the playing style over what other club options offer.

I think the anti Barca people on this thread are people who can’t quit separate a pro club a 6 hour flight away and a youth club where kids are just going to play soccer. We have people here who hate Barca the way people hate the Cowboys or Yankees and sadly equating some 10 and 11 year old kids with a Pro club that they hate.

It is just a soccer club.

Yes it is just a soccer club!

But it’s a club that aggressively uses its brand as a substitute for quality coaching and training, IMO.

No, you are attacking a club, kids and parents because you don’t like the Pro club. Pretty sad

No I am saying the club doesn’t deliver it promises. I said nothing bad about the kids, parents or the professional team itself.

If you are not at a club you have no idea what promises are made.

I know of no club that offers any promises. Again, put your dislike of a pro club in the proper context of a youth club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some people mistakenly think by the mere joining of a Barca program, their kid will magically become several levels better. The program can only take your kid as far as the kid's actual potential.

This couldn’t be further from the truth. Pretty much all the parents there are aware of what talent level their kids are. Many/most were B,C, D team kids who left their crappy club coaches for a better training environment.

Other parents and kids simply prefer the playing style over what other club options offer.

I think the anti Barca people on this thread are people who can’t quit separate a pro club a 6 hour flight away and a youth club where kids are just going to play soccer. We have people here who hate Barca the way people hate the Cowboys or Yankees and sadly equating some 10 and 11 year old kids with a Pro club that they hate.

It is just a soccer club.

Yes it is just a soccer club!

But it’s a club that aggressively uses its brand as a substitute for quality coaching and training, IMO.

No, you are attacking a club, kids and parents because you don’t like the Pro club. Pretty sad

No I am saying the club doesn’t deliver it promises. I said nothing bad about the kids, parents or the professional team itself.

If you are not at a club you have no idea what promises are made.

I know of no club that offers any promises. Again, put your dislike of a pro club in the proper context of a youth club.

You are mentally ill! I couldn’t care less about Barca or la liga.

[Anonymous]

They have many different levels. My kids’ teams do have kids that were on A teams (including one of my own), and a few that were on Club DA teams prior. My older one’s team had some amazing new talent arrive this year.

The player pool given how tiny it is compared to just about any other area club (where teams 1-2, and even 3 are similar) isn’t as deep. Location is a huge problem.

But, the coaching and training sessions are fantastic. To me- seriously the most important factor. No comparison.

But how the hell is a Nashville thread turning into a “bash Barca” thread yet again....sigh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some people mistakenly think by the mere joining of a Barca program, their kid will magically become several levels better. The program can only take your kid as far as the kid's actual potential.

This couldn’t be further from the truth. Pretty much all the parents there are aware of what talent level their kids are. Many/most were B,C, D team kids who left their crappy club coaches for a better training environment.

Other parents and kids simply prefer the playing style over what other club options offer.

I think the anti Barca people on this thread are people who can’t quit separate a pro club a 6 hour flight away and a youth club where kids are just going to play soccer. We have people here who hate Barca the way people hate the Cowboys or Yankees and sadly equating some 10 and 11 year old kids with a Pro club that they hate.

It is just a soccer club.

Yes it is just a soccer club!

But it’s a club that aggressively uses its brand as a substitute for quality coaching and training, IMO.

No, you are attacking a club, kids and parents because you don’t like the Pro club. Pretty sad

No I am saying the club doesn’t deliver it promises. I said nothing bad about the kids, parents or the professional team itself.

If you are not at a club you have no idea what promises are made.

I know of no club that offers any promises. Again, put your dislike of a pro club in the proper context of a youth club.

You are mentally ill! I couldn’t care less about Barca or la liga.

Attacking a soccer club, worrying about promises made or not made that you know nothing about is very normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have many different levels. My kids’ teams do have kids that were on A teams (including one of my own), and a few that were on Club DA teams prior. My older one’s team had some amazing new talent arrive this year.

The player pool given how tiny it is compared to just about any other area club (where teams 1-2, and even 3 are similar) isn’t as deep. Location is a huge problem.

But, the coaching and training sessions are fantastic. To me- seriously the most important factor. No comparison.

But how the hell is a Nashville thread turning into a “bash Barca” thread yet again....sigh.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Yet another thread seeded to roll in the advertising wing of Barca NOVA. Lol. It never ends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yet another thread seeded to roll in the advertising wing of Barca NOVA. Lol. It never ends.

Point on the doll where Barca touched you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet another thread seeded to roll in the advertising wing of Barca NOVA. Lol. It never ends.

Point on the doll where Barca touched you.

so perfect

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet another thread seeded to roll in the advertising wing of Barca NOVA. Lol. It never ends.

Point on the doll where Barca touched you.

so perfect

I don’t get it. Are you insinuating that there is child abuse going on at Barca?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet another thread seeded to roll in the advertising wing of Barca NOVA. Lol. It never ends.

Point on the doll where Barca touched you.

so perfect

I don’t get it. Are you insinuating that there is child abuse going on at Barca?

No, he was making fun of how people overreact toward Barca as if Barca has somehow done something to them. Pretty witty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have many different levels. My kids’ teams do have kids that were on A teams (including one of my own), and a few that were on Club DA teams prior. My older one’s team had some amazing new talent arrive this year.

The player pool given how tiny it is compared to just about any other area club (where teams 1-2, and even 3 are similar) isn’t as deep. Location is a huge problem.

But, the coaching and training sessions are fantastic. To me- seriously the most important factor. No comparison.

But how the hell is a Nashville thread turning into a “bash Barca” thread yet again....sigh.

In my mind, Barca's cost is a much bigger problem than their location. They need to think hard about lowering the cost significantly if they want to improve the quality of their talent pool.