White Families Are Engines Of Inequality

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Anonymous wrote:People are too thoroughly immersed in reinforcing propaganda. The US society: buy stuff, the more stuff you have the more successful one is, study hard and work hard to "get ahead" to compete. If you cannot compete, you are worthless. -- What kind of society is this? A sick one.

This country is in big trouble. No one is questioning anything beyond the minimum wage, who is the president, and I don't know what else.

You don't understand capitalism, which isn't to buy more stuff.

It's to PRODUCE & SELL more stuff--USEFUL stuff, and services--and INVEST the earnings, not to waste the money buying useless things.

It's the poor whiners and complainers who buy useless crap that they can't afford and can never pull themselves out of the hole.

They need a big dose of behavior modification.

Not more free stuff.

That was the old-fashioned capitalism of the past. For the last several decades, capitalism has been purely about maximizing shareholder profit.

It is short-sighted and obviously doesn't work. But that's what we have.

It works fine.

What did you type your post with?

An Iphone or Android?

An Apple computer, a Dell, an Acer, a Chromebook?

Who do you think "made that"?

Obama?

No, capitalism made it.

You and the rest of the socialists have so much value and good created for you by capitalism that it's like water to a goldfish in a fishbowl. You're surrounded by it so it's invisible to you and you take it for granted.

If you disagree, build a campfire, and communicate with Pochohantas Warren via smoke signal.

PP wasn't attacking capitalism. He was attacking the dominance of shareholder maximization since the 19080's among those who run corporations. If you read the Forbes articles posted earlier, you will see this was pushed as good management in the 1980s, but it has led to companies being run for next quarter's financial results and not for the long-term good of the firm and its customers.

The Forbes articles are well worth reading.

A corporation is just an ownership structure of a business.

The shareholders are the owners of the business.

The management of the business CEO, etc., have a fiduciary obligation to maximize shareholder value. Not to comply with whatever Bernie Sanders thinks they should be doing.

If the shareholders collectively decide that they don't wish to maximize shareholder value in the running of the enterprise, then they can pass the appropriate resolutions, or elect a corporate board, to direct the management as the shareholders wish.

If you, as an investor, don't believe a large corporation's management's operation of the business aligns with your values--be it maximizing shareholder value vs. some other objective--you are perfectly free NOT to invest in that corporation.

Furthermore, if you don't like the way a corporation does business, for whatever reason, you not only shouldn't invest in that corporation--you don't have to, and should not, if you feel strongly enough about it, buy any of their products. You don't have to support that corporation in any way shape or form.

As a matter of fact, if you have enough initiative, you can even start your own corporation, and do things as you see fit. Thousands of people start new businesses every day in the United States. They are called "entrepeneurs."

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a private corporation choosing to manage its affairs so as to maximize the profits to its OWNERS. That is what they are SUPPOSED to be doing.

If you owned a hot dog stand, you would understand this.

But you don't own a hot dog stand, and you probably don't do anything at all that provides any real value to society.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are too thoroughly immersed in reinforcing propaganda. The US society: buy stuff, the more stuff you have the more successful one is, study hard and work hard to "get ahead" to compete. If you cannot compete, you are worthless. -- What kind of society is this? A sick one.

This country is in big trouble. No one is questioning anything beyond the minimum wage, who is the president, and I don't know what else.

You don't understand capitalism, which isn't to buy more stuff.

It's to PRODUCE & SELL more stuff--USEFUL stuff, and services--and INVEST the earnings, not to waste the money buying useless things.

It's the poor whiners and complainers who buy useless crap that they can't afford and can never pull themselves out of the hole.

They need a big dose of behavior modification.

Not more free stuff.

That was the old-fashioned capitalism of the past. For the last several decades, capitalism has been purely about maximizing shareholder profit.

It is short-sighted and obviously doesn't work. But that's what we have.

It works fine.

What did you type your post with?

An Iphone or Android?

An Apple computer, a Dell, an Acer, a Chromebook?

Who do you think "made that"?

Obama?

No, capitalism made it.

You and the rest of the socialists have so much value and good created for you by capitalism that it's like water to a goldfish in a fishbowl. You're surrounded by it so it's invisible to you and you take it for granted.

If you disagree, build a campfire, and communicate with Pochohantas Warren via smoke signal.

PP wasn't attacking capitalism. He was attacking the dominance of shareholder maximization since the 19080's among those who run corporations. If you read the Forbes articles posted earlier, you will see this was pushed as good management in the 1980s, but it has led to companies being run for next quarter's financial results and not for the long-term good of the firm and its customers.

The Forbes articles are well worth reading.

A corporation is just an ownership structure of a business.

The shareholders are the owners of the business.

The management of the business CEO, etc., have a fiduciary obligation to maximize shareholder value. Not to comply with whatever Bernie Sanders thinks they should be doing.

If the shareholders collectively decide that they don't wish to maximize shareholder value in the running of the enterprise, then they can pass the appropriate resolutions, or elect a corporate board, to direct the management as the shareholders wish.

If you, as an investor, don't believe a large corporation's management's operation of the business aligns with your values--be it maximizing shareholder value vs. some other objective--you are perfectly free NOT to invest in that corporation.

Furthermore, if you don't like the way a corporation does business, for whatever reason, you not only shouldn't invest in that corporation--you don't have to, and should not, if you feel strongly enough about it, buy any of their products. You don't have to support that corporation in any way shape or form.

As a matter of fact, if you have enough initiative, you can even start your own corporation, and do things as you see fit. Thousands of people start new businesses every day in the United States. They are called "entrepeneurs."

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a private corporation choosing to manage its affairs so as to maximize the profits to its OWNERS. That is what they are SUPPOSED to be doing.

If you owned a hot dog stand, you would understand this.

But you don't own a hot dog stand, and you probably don't do anything at all that provides any real value to society.

First read the Forbes articles. Then expound.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

That's very misogynistic of you, to deny Erin and Keisha their agency as women, who have 100% control over what they do with their own bodies.

The hypothetical did not state that Erin or Keisha were raped, so there is no basis for you to make such an implied assumption.

The CREDIT--not the "blame"--for Erin and Keisha being "sex positive" rests entirely and 100% with Erin and Keisha, because as women, they have 100% control over what they choose to do with their bodies.

Having sex or not having sex; using birth control or not; getting an abortion or not; having a child or not; all is 100% the woman's responsibility, and that's what the law says, whether you like it or not, you misogynist.

Sex doesn’t case pregnancy. Ejaculation does. They did so irresponsibly. It’s 100% on them.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

Nice try. True, but as a woman you are stuck holding the baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

Nice try. True, but as a woman you are stuck holding the baby.

All the more reason these men should be held responsible for their actions. They generally face minimal consequences for ejaculating irresponsibly. We should change that.

Mandatory vasectomies would prevent irresponsible ejaculation/insemination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

Nice try. True, but as a woman you are stuck holding the baby.

All the more reason these men should be held responsible for their actions. They generally face minimal consequences for ejaculating irresponsibly. We should change that.

Mandatory vasectomies would prevent irresponsible ejaculation/insemination.

Of the girls I know, both friends and family members, who had babies in or immediately after high school, the babies were wanted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

Nice try. True, but as a woman you are stuck holding the baby.

All the more reason these men should be held responsible for their actions. They generally face minimal consequences for ejaculating irresponsibly. We should change that.

Mandatory vasectomies would prevent irresponsible ejaculation/insemination.

Of the girls I know, both friends and family members, who had babies in or immediately after high school, the babies were wanted.

Fully supported by the fathers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

How about this: Neiter Erin nor Keisha should be having sex, risking a pregnancy that neither wants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

How about this: Neiter Erin nor Keisha should be having sex, risking a pregnancy that neither wants.

What about the men they have sex with? They aren’t accountable here st all? They are the ones causing the pregnancy. Why not chastise them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

Nice try. True, but as a woman you are stuck holding the baby.

All the more reason these men should be held responsible for their actions. They generally face minimal consequences for ejaculating irresponsibly. We should change that.

Mandatory vasectomies would prevent irresponsible ejaculation/insemination.

Which men would those be, that you want to "hold responsible"?

The poster who provided the hypothetical didn't even think the sperm-donors important enough to even name them. So you're changing the problem posed, aren't you?

Maybe Erin and Keisha were artificially inseminated and there is no "father."

But, let's play along and say the men should be "held responsible."

Who should "hold them responsible"?

Erin and Keisha, who apparently don't even know who their baby daddies actually are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

How about this: Neiter Erin nor Keisha should be having sex, risking a pregnancy that neither wants.

What about the men they have sex with? They aren’t accountable here st all? They are the ones causing the pregnancy. Why not chastise them?

How are the unidentified and unknown baby daddies "accountable" for Erin and Keisha's decision to have unprotected sex and get pregnant?

Woman's body, woman's choice. Don't be a misogynist.

Unless of course you're going to say that the baby daddy also gets to make the decision as to whether to abort the child or not?

Is that what you had in mind?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

How about this: Neiter Erin nor Keisha should be having sex, risking a pregnancy that neither wants.

What about the men they have sex with? They aren’t accountable here st all? They are the ones causing the pregnancy. Why not chastise them?

How are the unidentified and unknown baby daddies "accountable" for Erin and Keisha's decision to have unprotected sex and get pregnant?

Woman's body, woman's choice. Don't be a misogynist.

Unless of course you're going to say that the baby daddy also gets to make the decision as to whether to abort the child or not?

Is that what you had in mind?

They chose to ejacukate with these women. Use DNA testing to track them down and give them the baby. They are responsible for the insemination. Let them care for the baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is: get a job.

I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

That's easy. Erin and Keisha keep their legs closed since both are too stupid, apparently, to use birth control.

Or the a-holes they had sex with shouldn’t have ejaculated so irresponsibly. I place the blame fully on the men.

That's very misogynistic of you, to deny Erin and Keisha their agency as women, who have 100% control over what they do with their own bodies.

The hypothetical did not state that Erin or Keisha were raped, so there is no basis for you to make such an implied assumption.

The CREDIT--not the "blame"--for Erin and Keisha being "sex positive" rests entirely and 100% with Erin and Keisha, because as women, they have 100% control over what they choose to do with their bodies.

Having sex or not having sex; using birth control or not; getting an abortion or not; having a child or not; all is 100% the woman's responsibility, and that's what the law says, whether you like it or not, you misogynist.

Sex doesn’t case pregnancy. Ejaculation does. They did so irresponsibly. It’s 100% on them.

Wow you win the brilliancy prize.

I've ejaculated lots of times and most of the time, no one gets pregnant. So no, ejaculation doesn't cause pregnancy.

But if it's 100% on the man who was the sperm donor, then he should have 100% of the decision making power as to whether the child is aborted or not.

See how nice and consistent that works?

If you want the RIGHT to control your body, as a woman, then you have to take the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with the failure to control what you do with it.

But you wouldn't understand any of that would you, people like yourself are why there are so many pregnant Erins and Keisha's in the first place.

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I agree. This is exactly the problem, wage stagnation. What's the solution?

The solution is to work hard so that you are qualified for a better job. If your goal is to work as a cashier at McD for all of your career, it's going to be hard to earn a living wage. That is a starter job or a second income job. It's not intended to be a career.

Oh, I see. You don't know what wage stagnation means.

Nevermind.

Right. It's difficult to improve your situation when you have mouths to feed. So let's raise and fix wages for these jobs.

Maybe if you can’t support mouths to feed you shouldn’t have them. If you are limited in your earning potential and cannot support a family, don’t have a family.

Don’t you understand the barriers to that flippant idea? Erin and Keisha. Both pregnant. Unmarried. Erin is on a gap year finding herself before college. Keisha is also just out of high school. Working at McDonalds. She hopes to go to nursing school at the community college. Erin calls her mom and has an appointment for an abortion before the week is up. Keisha asks some friends. They say call planned parenthood. She gets an appointment. Her moms car broke down. Gets on the bus. She’s late. Clinic is closed. Can’t go tomorrow has to work. Calls back. Needs a paystub and ID to get a sliding scale price that she can barely afford. Doesn’t have her license. $30 and another long bus ride to the DMV. her mom can’t find her birth certificate. And on and on. Next August Erin goes to a private LAC. Keisha keeps working at McDonald’s and hoping she can get babysitters for her baby so she doesn’t miss too many shifts.

And the cycle repeats itself.

How about this: Neiter Erin nor Keisha should be having sex, risking a pregnancy that neither wants.

What about the men they have sex with? They aren’t accountable here st all? They are the ones causing the pregnancy. Why not chastise them?

How are the unidentified and unknown baby daddies "accountable" for Erin and Keisha's decision to have unprotected sex and get pregnant?

Woman's body, woman's choice. Don't be a misogynist.

Unless of course you're going to say that the baby daddy also gets to make the decision as to whether to abort the child or not?

Is that what you had in mind?

They chose to ejacukate with these women. Use DNA testing to track them down and give them the baby. They are responsible for the insemination. Let them care for the baby.

Sure thing, but only if you also agree that the sperm donor gets to decide whether or not there will be an abortion rather than a child birth, or vice versa.