Is anyone else here Jewish and celebrate Christmas?

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Anonymous wrote:Christmas and Valentines Day are secular now, Guys. Enjoy!

Well so are Rosh Hahahah and Yom Kippur --- just join Machar, the Jewish secular synagogue, to see that they are secular!

So if that is part of your heritage or not, you can enjoy! Not that I see why non-Jews every embracing our most important holidays.

But, please don't tell us Jews that because Christmas, which celebrates the birth of a person who other worship as a god, has become secular, Jews should embrace it. It's commendable for Jews to keep their unique culture and not assimilate with the majority Christian culture. I personally admire Jews who show that Christmas is not an "American" holiday any more than Hanukkah is -- American means diverse religions so no religious holiday is an "American" one.

I think we Jews should embrace it. We can still keep our culture and assimilate at the same time.

NP. And how is that working out for us? 75% of Reform Jews intermarry and they and their kids predictably stop keeping any traditions. The only Jewish movement that’s actually growing is Orthodox. Because they refuse to assimilate.

How often descendants of immigrants keep their culture after the 1st generation? My parents are Jewish immigrants and they raised me with a culture as an adult I choose not to care for.

So you're not Jewish. You're not a Jew who celebrates Christmas. You're someone who used to be Jewish, and now follows the majority holiday practices.

One still retains their Jewish heritage- that never goes away- your ancestry doesn’t change just because you celebrate Christmas. So they are non practicing Jews who celebrate Christmas in a non religious way. They are Jews but just non practicing.

That's only if you believe Jews are a racial group. You wouldn't say that about any kind of Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. that was totally non-practicing, a non-believer, and held as a personal value that he/she should fully assimilate into the majority (Christian) culture in all ways.

I don't know who you are, but you have an agenda.

No sorry that argument doesn’t work... do you want to try again?

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PP: JEWS ARE A RACIAL GROUP. Look it up. Ashkenazi and Sephardic are racial groups. When my husband and I did our genetic screenings while I was pregnant, we had to get the Ashkenazi Jew panel, which includes screenings for diseases like Tay Sachs, which is much more common among Ashkenazi Jews. I did the 23 and me thing last year and came up with 50% Ashenazi. My husband came up with 75%. We could never set foot in shul again and that would still never change. We will always be Jewish.

You are simply ignorant.

I think you're the ignorant one. My DS's 23andme would likely show around 60% Ashkenazi. His dad is a secular Jew, and we aren't raising him Jewish in any meaningful way. The way things are going he will NOT be Jewish, depsite his genetics. Judaism is a religion and culture, which can absolutely be lost if you don't maintain connections to it.

No no no no no.

Your son is ethnically Jewish. Why deny it?

There are literally haplogroups distinct to Ashkenazi Jews. It is an ethnicity.

Again, if you answer what "ethnicity" means to you, that might be helpful. Obviously I agree that my DS has ethnically Ashkenazi genes. What's the point beyond that? He won't identify as "Jewish" the way things are headed now. So he's ethnically ASHKENAZI, not ethnically Jewish. Just like I am ethnically Irish/Celtic, not ethnically Irish Catholic.

And PS: one of the reasons, among others, that he won't identify as Jewish is because he thinks Christmas is better than Hannukah. Fact. Sorry.

If Judaism is reduced to Hannukah the game is already lost.

So I'm supposed to teach him that by dint of the slight majority of Ashkenazi genes, he's Jewish and not Catholic?

If you want to raise him as Catholic, that is your choice. Just don't blame "hanukah is not as good as christmas" for his desire to not identify as Jewish. Jews who participate more fully in Judaism are not as obsessed with the christmas vs hanukkah comparison.

A person born Jewish is Jewish no matter what they celebrate or how fully they participate in your narrow view of Judaism. You don't get to tell other Jews that they are not doing Jewish right. People with your judgmental attitude are one reason many Jews don't "participate."

Uh-huh. Not judging is another Christian concept you have absorbed. Jews are responsible for other Jews and preserving our culture. Jews who do practice Judaism but practice Christianity, Islam, etc. are no longer Jews.

The Torah disagrees with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Christmas is so secular nowadays that I don’t see any problem with it. Jesus never met Santa or had a Christmas tree!

This post makes no sense -- of course, Jesus didn't -- Jesus was a Jew and never claimed to be anything else (we are all the children of God).

However, many years after his death, people created a new religion based on him (against his wishes -- I'm sure he's rolling in his grave). These new people tell Jews (such as Jesus) that they are going to hell for being Jewish (just like Jesus). They also celebrate his birth randomly at Christmas.

I'll admit that Christmas is so commercialized but it's not "secular" anymore than Hanukkah which has been Americanized and commercialized but no Christians are celebrating it. Christmas literally means the celebration of Jesus as "Christ" (gd).

That said, as a party-loving Jew, we do have a Hanukkah bush, Hanukkah stockings and basically every other Hanukkah-version of Christmas possible. Any when DS was 2 until he turned 4, so 3 years, at which point both my mom and my MIL thought it was ridiculous, DS got one present from Santa. And when he started kindergarten, we explained that Santa was just make believe and didn't visit anyone.

Atheists celebrate Christmas and have Christmas trees. It is secular, PP. It is a national holiday.

Atheists who were born Christian, yes, but not Jews. It is not a National holiday nor is it secular.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Ninety-three percent of Americans in December 2019 report celebrating Christmas, in line with the level Gallup has recorded over the past quarter century.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/272357/percentage-americans-celebrate-christmas.aspx

Nine-in-ten Americans (90%) — and 95% of Christians — say they celebrate Christmas, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.

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OP one can not be Jewish and celebrate Christmas that is ridiculous.

Christmas is a religious holiday Jews do not celebrate it.

And if they do yes judgy me grew up extremely Jewish they are not really Jews.

For Christians, the true meaning of Christmas is the celebration of the Savior, Jesus Christ. Jews don't celebrate Christ.

You can not be this stupid.

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Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

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Anonymous wrote:Christmas and Valentines Day are secular now, Guys. Enjoy!

Well so are Rosh Hahahah and Yom Kippur --- just join Machar, the Jewish secular synagogue, to see that they are secular!

So if that is part of your heritage or not, you can enjoy! Not that I see why non-Jews every embracing our most important holidays.

But, please don't tell us Jews that because Christmas, which celebrates the birth of a person who other worship as a god, has become secular, Jews should embrace it. It's commendable for Jews to keep their unique culture and not assimilate with the majority Christian culture. I personally admire Jews who show that Christmas is not an "American" holiday any more than Hanukkah is -- American means diverse religions so no religious holiday is an "American" one.

I think we Jews should embrace it. We can still keep our culture and assimilate at the same time.

NP. And how is that working out for us? 75% of Reform Jews intermarry and they and their kids predictably stop keeping any traditions. The only Jewish movement that’s actually growing is Orthodox. Because they refuse to assimilate.

How often descendants of immigrants keep their culture after the 1st generation? My parents are Jewish immigrants and they raised me with a culture as an adult I choose not to care for.

So you're not Jewish. You're not a Jew who celebrates Christmas. You're someone who used to be Jewish, and now follows the majority holiday practices.

One still retains their Jewish heritage- that never goes away- your ancestry doesn’t change just because you celebrate Christmas. So they are non practicing Jews who celebrate Christmas in a non religious way. They are Jews but just non practicing.

That's only if you believe Jews are a racial group. You wouldn't say that about any kind of Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. that was totally non-practicing, a non-believer, and held as a personal value that he/she should fully assimilate into the majority (Christian) culture in all ways.

I don't know who you are, but you have an agenda.

No sorry that argument doesn’t work... do you want to try again?

Yup.

PP: JEWS ARE A RACIAL GROUP. Look it up. Ashkenazi and Sephardic are racial groups. When my husband and I did our genetic screenings while I was pregnant, we had to get the Ashkenazi Jew panel, which includes screenings for diseases like Tay Sachs, which is much more common among Ashkenazi Jews. I did the 23 and me thing last year and came up with 50% Ashenazi. My husband came up with 75%. We could never set foot in shul again and that would still never change. We will always be Jewish.

You are simply ignorant.

I think you're the ignorant one. My DS's 23andme would likely show around 60% Ashkenazi. His dad is a secular Jew, and we aren't raising him Jewish in any meaningful way. The way things are going he will NOT be Jewish, depsite his genetics. Judaism is a religion and culture, which can absolutely be lost if you don't maintain connections to it.

No no no no no.

Your son is ethnically Jewish. Why deny it?

There are literally haplogroups distinct to Ashkenazi Jews. It is an ethnicity.

Again, if you answer what "ethnicity" means to you, that might be helpful. Obviously I agree that my DS has ethnically Ashkenazi genes. What's the point beyond that? He won't identify as "Jewish" the way things are headed now. So he's ethnically ASHKENAZI, not ethnically Jewish. Just like I am ethnically Irish/Celtic, not ethnically Irish Catholic.

And PS: one of the reasons, among others, that he won't identify as Jewish is because he thinks Christmas is better than Hannukah. Fact. Sorry.

If Judaism is reduced to Hannukah the game is already lost.

So I'm supposed to teach him that by dint of the slight majority of Ashkenazi genes, he's Jewish and not Catholic?

If you want to raise him as Catholic, that is your choice. Just don't blame "hanukah is not as good as christmas" for his desire to not identify as Jewish. Jews who participate more fully in Judaism are not as obsessed with the christmas vs hanukkah comparison.

A person born Jewish is Jewish no matter what they celebrate or how fully they participate in your narrow view of Judaism. You don't get to tell other Jews that they are not doing Jewish right. People with your judgmental attitude are one reason many Jews don't "participate."

Uh-huh. Not judging is another Christian concept you have absorbed. Jews are responsible for other Jews and preserving our culture. Jews who do practice Judaism but practice Christianity, Islam, etc. are no longer Jews.

The Torah disagrees with you.

WRONG IT DOES NOT

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This is very simple people

A Jew does not celebrate Christ fact therefore if they celebrate Christmas they are not Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

1* Which will you be celebrating this holiday season?

2* Should religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents be allowed on public land?

3* Should Christmas be celebrated in public schools?

These are the questions from the survey. Nothing to do with Satan. What religious holiday does Satan represent, anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

1* Which will you be celebrating this holiday season?

2* Should religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents be allowed on public land?

3* Should Christmas be celebrated in public schools?

These are the questions from the survey. Nothing to do with Satan. What religious holiday does Satan represent, anyway?

Go educate yourself. It’s not the job of a minority to teach you. Hell’s bells, you Godly types are so entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

1* Which will you be celebrating this holiday season?

2* Should religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents be allowed on public land?

3* Should Christmas be celebrated in public schools?

These are the questions from the survey. Nothing to do with Satan. What religious holiday does Satan represent, anyway?

Go educate yourself. It’s not the job of a minority to teach you. Hell’s bells, you Godly types are so entitled.

DP. This faux outrage is funny because almost nobody will cop to worshiping Satan, so pp has nothing factual to offer. The folks behind the school Satan club took pains to stress that they weren't actually, you know, worshipping Satan.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

1* Which will you be celebrating this holiday season?

2* Should religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents be allowed on public land?

3* Should Christmas be celebrated in public schools?

These are the questions from the survey. Nothing to do with Satan. What religious holiday does Satan represent, anyway?

Go educate yourself. It’s not the job of a minority to teach you. Hell’s bells, you Godly types are so entitled.

DP. This faux outrage is funny because almost nobody will cop to worshiping Satan, so pp has nothing factual to offer. The folks behind the school Satan club took pains to stress that they weren't actually, you know, worshipping Satan.

That’s ironic. They don’t actually believe in Satan but want to put a statue of Satan by a Menorah and Nativity and a Christmas tree?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

1* Which will you be celebrating this holiday season?

2* Should religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents be allowed on public land?

3* Should Christmas be celebrated in public schools?

These are the questions from the survey. Nothing to do with Satan. What religious holiday does Satan represent, anyway?

Go educate yourself. It’s not the job of a minority to teach you. Hell’s bells, you Godly types are so entitled.

DP. This faux outrage is funny because almost nobody will cop to worshiping Satan, so pp has nothing factual to offer. The folks behind the school Satan club took pains to stress that they weren't actually, you know, worshipping Satan.

That’s ironic. They don’t actually believe in Satan but want to put a statue of Satan by a Menorah and Nativity and a Christmas tree?

Yep, it's a finger in the eye, so to speak.

[Anonymous]

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lol in Illinois some Satanists put a cute crochet snake on display for Christmas. Awwww. He’s reading a book. Very festive I guess?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most Americans still believe religious displays have a place on government property, and they want to see more Christmas in schools, too.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 70% of American Adults believe religious symbols like Christmas nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 18% disagree, while 11% remain undecided. These attitudes are generally unchanged in surveys for years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/questions/december_2017/questions_christmas_on_public_land_december_4_5_2017

Statues of Satan as well, then?

1* Which will you be celebrating this holiday season?

2* Should religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents be allowed on public land?

3* Should Christmas be celebrated in public schools?

These are the questions from the survey. Nothing to do with Satan. What religious holiday does Satan represent, anyway?

Go educate yourself. It’s not the job of a minority to teach you. Hell’s bells, you Godly types are so entitled.

DP. This faux outrage is funny because almost nobody will cop to worshiping Satan, so pp has nothing factual to offer. The folks behind the school Satan club took pains to stress that they weren't actually, you know, worshipping Satan.

That’s ironic. They don’t actually believe in Satan but want to put a statue of Satan by a Menorah and Nativity and a Christmas tree?

Yep, it's a finger in the eye, so to speak.

“The serpent of Genesis and the apples symbolizes that whole ‘forbidden knowledge’ sort of thing.” Adam said. “The book, obviously, is one that was banned, but also something that is really important to remember, which is that Copernicus himself was not actually persecuted by the church. Instead, he worked in harmony with them. And we like to see that this is an affirmation of our Satanic values, by existing in harmony with other religions.“

Well these Satanists say their goal is to co-exist in harmony with other religions. So satanism is a religion?

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lol in Illinois some Satanists put a cute crochet snake on display for Christmas. Awwww. He’s reading a book. Very festive I guess?

Those look like apples around the little snake. How very Genesis.