APS Elementary Location Working Group 4/12

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Montessori may not move next year or 2020 but by 2023 it will have too. The career center is happening. Seats are going there for H.S. regardless of how it’s developed. hSchools need 3000 + seats. Demand for Montessori is down, it may bump slightly with the Fleet move but not enough to justify it taking the only realistic space for more H School seats and a 4th Comprehensive High School. There are lots of moving pieces and it’s not just elementary boundaries that are being debated and drawn right now.

It's never going to be a comprehensive HS. Stop trying to make Fetch happen.

Comprehensive school or not, if another 2000 secondary seats are needed, that's where they will ultimately go. SB doesn't have the guts to fight Glencarlyn to put a comprehensive high school at Kenmore. So, if that many secondary students are at the Career Center site, Montessori needs to move. Comprehensive or not, the working group has pretty broad agreement that 3,000 high school students need to have recreational facilities; so fields will be needed and the Henry building will need to make way.

So where are they going? I mean, they are getting moved there next year, and then again before all the current kids have even cycled out? No, sorry. This site is going to have to accommodate all of its current residents. Which is why it's a terrible choice for that many HS seats and always was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Montessori may not move next year or 2020 but by 2023 it will have too. The career center is happening. Seats are going there for H.S. regardless of how it’s developed. hSchools need 3000 + seats. Demand for Montessori is down, it may bump slightly with the Fleet move but not enough to justify it taking the only realistic space for more H School seats and a 4th Comprehensive High School. There are lots of moving pieces and it’s not just elementary boundaries that are being debated and drawn right now.

It's never going to be a comprehensive HS. Stop trying to make Fetch happen.

Comprehensive school or not, if another 2000 secondary seats are needed, that's where they will ultimately go. SB doesn't have the guts to fight Glencarlyn to put a comprehensive high school at Kenmore. So, if that many secondary students are at the Career Center site, Montessori needs to move. Comprehensive or not, the working group has pretty broad agreement that 3,000 high school students need to have recreational facilities; so fields will be needed and the Henry building will need to make way.

So where are they going? I mean, they are getting moved there next year, and then again before all the current kids have even cycled out? No, sorry. This site is going to have to accommodate all of its current residents. Which is why it's a terrible choice for that many HS seats and always was.

Well, then people better convince Glencarlyn that they'll go to Wakefield if a new high school is built at the Career Center site. Maybe then they will rethink their opposition to a high school at Kenmore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People from Campbell who are referring to Title I status seem to forget that the SB made changes this year to remove neighborhood preferences from all option schools. That means any option schools can move ANYWHERE.

Furthermore, Expeditionary Learning can be modified for various expeditions based on where the school is located. The Wetlands is cool, but not necessary to EL. Won’t that be an amazing gift when Campbell is a neighborhood school.

All of us need to realize that our kids won’t be in elementary forever. Moving boundaries is fine and we can all benefit from the care and investments made to each school by earlier generations.

You're right. North Arlington is underserved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t see the point of switching Carlin springs and Campbell. Both are small schools. Carlin springs is not much bigger than Campbell

Carlin Springs if 585 capacity v. Campbell's 436. I'd consider 150 students significant. Plus, there is a lot of open green space on the Kenmore site.........

The thing is, all schools are choice schools. If Randolph, Barcroft, Drew, etc aren't at capacity now, what makes the staff think they ever will be? People vote with their feet. Shifting things around to take advantage of space at schools UMC families will avoid is foolish. It's why Henry and Oakridge are so overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t see the point of switching Carlin springs and Campbell. Both are small schools. Carlin springs is not much bigger than Campbell

Carlin Springs if 585 capacity v. Campbell's 436. I'd consider 150 students significant. Plus, there is a lot of open green space on the Kenmore site.........

The thing is, all schools are choice schools. If Randolph, Barcroft, Drew, etc aren't at capacity now, what makes the staff think they ever will be? People vote with their feet. Shifting things around to take advantage of space at schools UMC families will avoid is foolish. It's why Henry and Oakridge are so overcrowded.

All Arlington schools are good. Haven’t you heard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t see the point of switching Carlin springs and Campbell. Both are small schools. Carlin springs is not much bigger than Campbell

Carlin Springs if 585 capacity v. Campbell's 436. I'd consider 150 students significant. Plus, there is a lot of open green space on the Kenmore site.........

The thing is, all schools are choice schools. If Randolph, Barcroft, Drew, etc aren't at capacity now, what makes the staff think they ever will be? People vote with their feet. Shifting things around to take advantage of space at schools UMC families will avoid is foolish. It's why Henry and Oakridge are so overcrowded.

All Arlington schools are good. Haven’t you heard?

So what’s the solution? Move immersion 2 south as well? Move ATS south?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t see the point of switching Carlin springs and Campbell. Both are small schools. Carlin springs is not much bigger than Campbell

Carlin Springs if 585 capacity v. Campbell's 436. I'd consider 150 students significant. Plus, there is a lot of open green space on the Kenmore site.........

The thing is, all schools are choice schools. If Randolph, Barcroft, Drew, etc aren't at capacity now, what makes the staff think they ever will be? People vote with their feet. Shifting things around to take advantage of space at schools UMC families will avoid is foolish. It's why Henry and Oakridge are so overcrowded.

All Arlington schools are good. Haven’t you heard?

So what’s the solution? Move immersion 2 south as well? Move ATS south?

I’ve been saying make Barcroft and Randolph and Carlin Springs immersion schools for years. Cater to the immigrants and give the middle class a reason to want to be there. Make those neighborhood schools immersion schools.

[Anonymous]

Key is projected to have over 825 kids next year. They are going to need a facility with a lot of room if they want to move Key. Not sure where that facility would be. Of course, if they move it, its possible that demand will decrease, so that less space is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Key is projected to have over 825 kids next year. They are going to need a facility with a lot of room if they want to move Key. Not sure where that facility would be. Of course, if they move it, its possible that demand will decrease, so that less space is needed.

Is that projection the school or the zone? Not the same thing right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is projected to have over 825 kids next year. They are going to need a facility with a lot of room if they want to move Key. Not sure where that facility would be. Of course, if they move it, its possible that demand will decrease, so that less space is needed.

Is that projection the school or the zone? Not the same thing right now.

The school, I believe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t see the point of switching Carlin springs and Campbell. Both are small schools. Carlin springs is not much bigger than Campbell

Carlin Springs if 585 capacity v. Campbell's 436. I'd consider 150 students significant. Plus, there is a lot of open green space on the Kenmore site.........

The thing is, all schools are choice schools. If Randolph, Barcroft, Drew, etc aren't at capacity now, what makes the staff think they ever will be? People vote with their feet. Shifting things around to take advantage of space at schools UMC families will avoid is foolish. It's why Henry and Oakridge are so overcrowded.

All Arlington schools are good. Haven’t you heard?

So what’s the solution? Move immersion 2 south as well? Move ATS south?

On the one hand, you can’t move them south because it would overcrowd the S Arlington schools in favor of N Arlington. On the other hand, you want them close enough to S Arlington that they will attract many S Arlington residents. No win situation wherever they move them and if they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is projected to have over 825 kids next year. They are going to need a facility with a lot of room if they want to move Key. Not sure where that facility would be. Of course, if they move it, its possible that demand will decrease, so that less space is needed.

Is that projection the school or the zone? Not the same thing right now.

The school, I believe

No, Key Immersion school is not projected to have 825 kids, and even if it had a high number, next year is lottery only so they can just shrink the immersion program for a few years.

Key the zone IS projected to have 850 kids if not next year, then soon, as much of the neighborhood preference kids move to the neighborhood school (currently at ASFS). Swapping ASFS and Key does not solve the over population problem. Making them both neighborhood schools helps a little, but either moves immersion to Nottingham where it will wither or to ATS and then dominos Traditional school to Nottingham which is very bad optics.

They will probably swap key and ASFS and then fiddle with the boundaries (Rosslyn to long branch and Taylor most likely). Immersion folks tend to be way more low key than the ATS crowd and ASFS is not as radical a losistic change.

Wish they they would come to their sense and re-instate neighborhood preference for Key school, and leave these schools where they are. There was nothing wrong here till they started fiddling; Reed would have redrawn western edge but didn’t need to affect this part of town

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is projected to have over 825 kids next year. They are going to need a facility with a lot of room if they want to move Key. Not sure where that facility would be. Of course, if they move it, its possible that demand will decrease, so that less space is needed.

Is that projection the school or the zone? Not the same thing right now.

The school, I believe

The application numbers that just came out speak against that I think.
ASFS was deemed a good fit for an option School - it makes so much sense to move the Key program there.
You are not taking away a neighborhood school, because everyone around ASFS attends Taylor.
And many around Key already attend ASFS - everyone who doesn’t want Spanish.
This swap is the ONLY thing out of the whole thing that makes total sense.

[Anonymous]

Barcroft for an option school? ATS to Nottingham, Immersion yo Barcroft

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Key is projected to have over 825 kids next year. They are going to need a facility with a lot of room if they want to move Key. Not sure where that facility would be. Of course, if they move it, its possible that demand will decrease, so that less space is needed.

Is that projection the school or the zone? Not the same thing right now.

The school, I believe

The application numbers that just came out speak against that I think.
ASFS was deemed a good fit for an option School - it makes so much sense to move the Key program there.
You are not taking away a neighborhood school, because everyone around ASFS attends Taylor.
And many around Key already attend ASFS - everyone who doesn’t want Spanish.
This swap is the ONLY thing out of the whole thing that makes total sense.

Yes, and it would be the least disruptive and easiest to manage, too.

Ultimately, I think it's only going to be a two-school swap, because the time/money to manage anything else with everything else going on is just not there. Will it be perfect? No, but nothing ever is that involves people.

They can look at it all again the next time we build a new school and see if there are other swaps/moves that could happen at that time. This process ain't going to be the last one, after all.