Concerned about buying in WJ cluster because of re-zoning

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MCPS plans to revive and reopen Woodward off Old Georgetown road around 2022 to offset overcrowding at WJ and other nearby schools. They are presently completing an addition to B-CC and have plans to add smaller additions at Kennedy and Einstein as well as an additional 1200 seats at Northwood. By 2022 many schools will be 600-700 over capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS plans to revive and reopen Woodward off Old Georgetown road around 2022 to offset overcrowding at WJ and other nearby schools. They are presently completing an addition to B-CC and have plans to add smaller additions at Kennedy and Einstein as well as an additional 1200 seats at Northwood. By 2022 many schools will be 600-700 over capacity.

There will likely be some tweaks to existing boundary maps to better distribute kids to schools, but probably nothing to worry about. Regardless of what happens it's not like the SES of students in Bethesda is going to radically shift even if they end up at a different school in 5 years.

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a different school [0.5 miles down the road]

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So if we are looking to make an offer at a home in the BCC district, we more that likely will be okay?

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Anonymous wrote:So if we are looking to make an offer at a home in the BCC district, we more that likely will be okay?

Stay south of Bradley and west of conn and you’ll always be fine

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Anonymous wrote:It all seems like such an illogical way of dealing with the overcrowding issue. Enrollments are going to continue to grow. Are they going to continue to bus thousands of kids half way across the county? It just seems like it would be a disaster. I can see how it would make sense to take some kids from the closer high schools like Einstein and maybe Wheaton, but the other DCC schools seem too far away to make sense. At some point, BCC and Whitman, and probably other closer high schools will be overcrowded. Then what? And what happens when you get into sports, clubs, and other school activities. Do parents really want to have to schlep 45+ minutes to pick up their kid? I'm not sure what the answer is, and I know it all comes down to funding, but it seems like they'd be better off building another new high school to accommodate the overcrowding at the schools that are further away.

You don't need to bus everyone long distance. Wheaton and Einstein will contribute for WJ/Woodward. This will leave space in those two schools to help other DCC schools. Slight change in Whitman and BCC is expected.

Wheaton isn't anywhere near Woodward. It makes more sense to shift the boundaies for the nearby adjacent schools than bus a bunch of kids from the other side of the county. It would make more sense to bus kids from nearby Whitman which will aslo be overcrowded, but there are better solutions like moving a couple hundred kids from Whitman into WJ and shifting a few hundred more kids from WJ into Woodward.

Moving Whitman boundaries are the third rail of MCPS. The process will be contentious enough as it is without adding groups who will grind it to a halt. I bet the changes will be done to WJ and Einstein and a little Blair to back fill the Einstein created vacancies. That is the most likely

because the affluent shoudn't be inconvenienced by peons? They need to get real.

Well that is the way it has been since the beginning of time Sweetie. The real point is why add opponents to an already big fight. Any token shift at Whitman won’t produce juice worth the squeeze. If you keep it to WJ and Einstein mainly, that has a chance to get done without Armageddon.

The WJ parents will “give it a chance” and the Einstein parents will just be happy to be out and sliding towards a (maybe) W school. The space made in Einstein will make room to balance some of the DCC looking to opt out of their home schools.

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Anonymous wrote:So if we are looking to make an offer at a home in the BCC district, we more that likely will be okay?

Stay south of Bradley and west of conn and you’ll always be fine

That's good advice if you want to stay in that boundary, but if there are changes, I'd expect them to be fairly minor and at the northern end of the boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:It all seems like such an illogical way of dealing with the overcrowding issue. Enrollments are going to continue to grow. Are they going to continue to bus thousands of kids half way across the county? It just seems like it would be a disaster. I can see how it would make sense to take some kids from the closer high schools like Einstein and maybe Wheaton, but the other DCC schools seem too far away to make sense. At some point, BCC and Whitman, and probably other closer high schools will be overcrowded. Then what? And what happens when you get into sports, clubs, and other school activities. Do parents really want to have to schlep 45+ minutes to pick up their kid? I'm not sure what the answer is, and I know it all comes down to funding, but it seems like they'd be better off building another new high school to accommodate the overcrowding at the schools that are further away.

You don't need to bus everyone long distance. Wheaton and Einstein will contribute for WJ/Woodward. This will leave space in those two schools to help other DCC schools. Slight change in Whitman and BCC is expected.

Wheaton isn't anywhere near Woodward. It makes more sense to shift the boundaies for the nearby adjacent schools than bus a bunch of kids from the other side of the county. It would make more sense to bus kids from nearby Whitman which will aslo be overcrowded, but there are better solutions like moving a couple hundred kids from Whitman into WJ and shifting a few hundred more kids from WJ into Woodward.

Moving Whitman boundaries are the third rail of MCPS. The process will be contentious enough as it is without adding groups who will grind it to a halt. I bet the changes will be done to WJ and Einstein and a little Blair to back fill the Einstein created vacancies. That is the most likely

because the affluent shoudn't be inconvenienced by peons? They need to get real.

Well that is the way it has been since the beginning of time Sweetie. The real point is why add opponents to an already big fight. Any token shift at Whitman won’t produce juice worth the squeeze. If you keep it to WJ and Einstein mainly, that has a chance to get done without Armageddon.

The WJ parents will “give it a chance” and the Einstein parents will just be happy to be out and sliding towards a (maybe) W school. The space made in Einstein will make room to balance some of the DCC looking to opt out of their home schools.

The reason sweetie is because Whitman will be overcrowded by a couple hundred students by the time Woodward opens and it would be easy to shift 200 kids on the eastern boundary into WJ and around 800 on WJ's western boundary into Woodward which will have capacity. However, I'm personally fine with letting Whitman be overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:So if we are looking to make an offer at a home in the BCC district, we more that likely will be okay?

Define fine.

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Anonymous wrote:So if we are looking to make an offer at a home in the BCC district, we more that likely will be okay?

Define fine.

Sorry, define "okay."

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Anonymous wrote:It all seems like such an illogical way of dealing with the overcrowding issue. Enrollments are going to continue to grow. Are they going to continue to bus thousands of kids half way across the county? It just seems like it would be a disaster. I can see how it would make sense to take some kids from the closer high schools like Einstein and maybe Wheaton, but the other DCC schools seem too far away to make sense. At some point, BCC and Whitman, and probably other closer high schools will be overcrowded. Then what? And what happens when you get into sports, clubs, and other school activities. Do parents really want to have to schlep 45+ minutes to pick up their kid? I'm not sure what the answer is, and I know it all comes down to funding, but it seems like they'd be better off building another new high school to accommodate the overcrowding at the schools that are further away.

You don't need to bus everyone long distance. Wheaton and Einstein will contribute for WJ/Woodward. This will leave space in those two schools to help other DCC schools. Slight change in Whitman and BCC is expected.

Wheaton isn't anywhere near Woodward. It makes more sense to shift the boundaies for the nearby adjacent schools than bus a bunch of kids from the other side of the county. It would make more sense to bus kids from nearby Whitman which will aslo be overcrowded, but there are better solutions like moving a couple hundred kids from Whitman into WJ and shifting a few hundred more kids from WJ into Woodward.

Moving Whitman boundaries are the third rail of MCPS. The process will be contentious enough as it is without adding groups who will grind it to a halt. I bet the changes will be done to WJ and Einstein and a little Blair to back fill the Einstein created vacancies. That is the most likely

because the affluent shoudn't be inconvenienced by peons? They need to get real.

Well that is the way it has been since the beginning of time Sweetie. The real point is why add opponents to an already big fight. Any token shift at Whitman won’t produce juice worth the squeeze. If you keep it to WJ and Einstein mainly, that has a chance to get done without Armageddon.

The WJ parents will “give it a chance” and the Einstein parents will just be happy to be out and sliding towards a (maybe) W school. The space made in Einstein will make room to balance some of the DCC looking to opt out of their home schools.

The reason sweetie is because Whitman will be overcrowded by a couple hundred students by the time Woodward opens and it would be easy to shift 200 kids on the eastern boundary into WJ and around 800 on WJ's western boundary into Woodward which will have capacity. However, I'm personally fine with letting Whitman be overcrowded.

Is there more than one "sweetie" poster on DCUM? Try to be a little more creative with your sarcasm.

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Anonymous wrote:Einstein is also slated for an expansion and has a big piece of property. I would build it big and add a county-wide test in magnet (maybe both stem and humanities).

Einstein is only getting a small expansion. The campus can’t support anything major.

Woodward's site is located between B-CC, Einstein, and WJ.

Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why wouldn't B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

Isn't Whitman getting an addition?

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Anonymous wrote:It all seems like such an illogical way of dealing with the overcrowding issue. Enrollments are going to continue to grow. Are they going to continue to bus thousands of kids half way across the county? It just seems like it would be a disaster. I can see how it would make sense to take some kids from the closer high schools like Einstein and maybe Wheaton, but the other DCC schools seem too far away to make sense. At some point, BCC and Whitman, and probably other closer high schools will be overcrowded. Then what? And what happens when you get into sports, clubs, and other school activities. Do parents really want to have to schlep 45+ minutes to pick up their kid? I'm not sure what the answer is, and I know it all comes down to funding, but it seems like they'd be better off building another new high school to accommodate the overcrowding at the schools that are further away.

You don't need to bus everyone long distance. Wheaton and Einstein will contribute for WJ/Woodward. This will leave space in those two schools to help other DCC schools. Slight change in Whitman and BCC is expected.

Wheaton isn't anywhere near Woodward. It makes more sense to shift the boundaies for the nearby adjacent schools than bus a bunch of kids from the other side of the county. It would make more sense to bus kids from nearby Whitman which will aslo be overcrowded, but there are better solutions like moving a couple hundred kids from Whitman into WJ and shifting a few hundred more kids from WJ into Woodward.

Moving Whitman boundaries are the third rail of MCPS. The process will be contentious enough as it is without adding groups who will grind it to a halt. I bet the changes will be done to WJ and Einstein and a little Blair to back fill the Einstein created vacancies. That is the most likely

because the affluent shoudn't be inconvenienced by peons? They need to get real.

Well that is the way it has been since the beginning of time Sweetie. The real point is why add opponents to an already big fight. Any token shift at Whitman won’t produce juice worth the squeeze. If you keep it to WJ and Einstein mainly, that has a chance to get done without Armageddon.

The WJ parents will “give it a chance” and the Einstein parents will just be happy to be out and sliding towards a (maybe) W school. The space made in Einstein will make room to balance some of the DCC looking to opt out of their home schools.

The reason sweetie is because Whitman will be overcrowded by a couple hundred students by the time Woodward opens and it would be easy to shift 200 kids on the eastern boundary into WJ and around 800 on WJ's western boundary into Woodward which will have capacity. However, I'm personally fine with letting Whitman be overcrowded.

Is there more than one "sweetie" poster on DCUM? Try to be a little more creative with your sarcasm.

bless your heart!

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Anonymous wrote:Einstein is also slated for an expansion and has a big piece of property. I would build it big and add a county-wide test in magnet (maybe both stem and humanities).

Einstein is only getting a small expansion. The campus can’t support anything major.

Woodward's site is located between B-CC, Einstein, and WJ.

Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why wouldn't B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

Isn't Whitman getting an addition?

Yep

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS plans to revive and reopen Woodward off Old Georgetown road around 2022 to offset overcrowding at WJ and other nearby schools. They are presently completing an addition to B-CC and have plans to add smaller additions at Kennedy and Einstein as well as an additional 1200 seats at Northwood. By 2022 many schools will be 600-700 over capacity.

Except there is no addition for Einstein included in the CIP. The only solutions mentioned for its overcapacity issues are building the addition at Northwood and reopening Woodward. http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP19_Chap4_DCC.pdf