Housewife vs SAHM

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

I'm only disappointed if they are crappy parents. You should adjust your thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

Part of the reason for this is that there are few part-time professional positions for those with advanced degrees. I would love to keep working, but our family was too stressed with 2 full time WOH parents. I have not yet been successful at finding something part-time.

Me too. My job was an easy 50 hours a week with no part time option........that with three kids? Wasn't willing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

I'm only disappointed if they are crappy parents. You should adjust your thinking.

+1. Busy people don't have time to be disappointed in other people's life choices.

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I am jealous of lazy women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

I am not disappointed when I meet a women with a bachelor degree or master degree in arts or history who chose to be a housewife. However, when I meet someone with the MBA or law degree from the IVY and who never worked, or works as a yoga teacher once a week, I feel upset. I feel like this person took someone else spot at the elite college, the college spent all that money to train her, and she does not return it back to the society. Her spot could be taking by some other lady who will be more productive member of the society.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

I am not disappointed when I meet a women with a bachelor degree or master degree in arts or history who chose to be a housewife. However, when I meet someone with the MBA or law degree from the IVY and who never worked, or works as a yoga teacher once a week, I feel upset. I feel like this person took someone else spot at the elite college, the college spent all that money to train her, and she does not return it back to the society. Her spot could be taking by some other lady who will be more productive member of the society.

I feel bad when I see very incompetent people at top positions. I find that most people are just wasting time in the workplace and there are only a handful of people who know what they doing.

The future generation need to be raised by well educated SAH mothers so that they can reach their potential. I am sure the childcare provider of a WOHM is not Ivy educated.

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What a stupid topic. The SAHMs of DCUM are wealthy, well educated women married to accomplished high earning spouses. Not very representative of SAHMs everywhere else.

DMV maybe the only place where the SAHM-WOHM dynamic is skewed. Very seldom are WOHMs who are writing here have the luxury to not work in this area. They need to work to pay their insane mortgage for crummy homes.

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Anonymous wrote:What a stupid topic. The SAHMs of DCUM are wealthy, well educated women married to accomplished high earning spouses. Not very representative of SAHMs everywhere else.

DMV maybe the only place where the SAHM-WOHM dynamic is skewed. Very seldom are WOHMs who are writing here have the luxury to not work in this area. They need to work to pay their insane mortgage for crummy homes.

Are you Laura Linton?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

Part of the reason for this is that there are few part-time professional positions for those with advanced degrees. I would love to keep working, but our family was too stressed with 2 full time WOH parents. I have not yet been successful at finding something part-time.

Me too. My job was an easy 50 hours a week with no part time option........that with three kids? Wasn't willing.

I totally get that and would have done the same.

I have an advanced StEM degree, but was allowed to telework 100%, so I couldn't justify giving it up.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

I am not disappointed when I meet a women with a bachelor degree or master degree in arts or history who chose to be a housewife. However, when I meet someone with the MBA or law degree from the IVY and who never worked, or works as a yoga teacher once a week, I feel upset. I feel like this person took someone else spot at the elite college, the college spent all that money to train her, and she does not return it back to the society. Her spot could be taking by some other lady who will be more productive member of the society.

Haha yes, thank god for all those benevolent lawyers returning their school's benevolent resources back to society for the greater good

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Omg dcum is LOADED with bitter, angry, hateful working moms who constantly lash out at sahms. They are jealous. They pretend they aren't, but they are. There are a handful of working moms who don't care who works and who sah, but most of the wohm on dcum are bitter, jealous, and angry.

I stayed home until child started school and then started working part time. I still work part time and handle all of the stuff I did as a sahm, just not the same quality as I did when I was home. I'm currently looking to work full time, I imagine things will change when that happens. I'll need more help since I'll be working more hours outside the home. I see a lot of value in the work that sahms do. Especially the quality of childcare.

Good for you. I'm glad that things have worked out for you. You know who else talks about the importance (including the economic importance) of child care and other caring work, paid as well as unpaid? Women's libbers -- aka feminists.

I'm not sure what your point is. I'm definitely not a feminist, but I think the best thing for children is to be cared for by people who LOVE them, and most day care workers do not love the children that they are caring for. Not saying all day cares are bad, but leaving your children in a daycare center for 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week isn't a good thing either.

My point is that it's feminists who push society to value the contributions of caregivers -- paid and unpaid. So if that's a goal you support, maybe you should reconsider about not being a feminist.

Not the PP, but this is completely false. I consider myself a feminist in that I firmly believe women should have the same opportunities as men, including equal pay for equal work, etc. I also feel strongly that having a parent at home is the preferable situation in which to raise kids, though I don't judge others who make different choices for their families.

However, some other women who call themselves "feminists" seize every available opportunity to disparage women who choose to stay home (while lauding men who make the same choice). People who do this are the very antithesis of "feminism."

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Anonymous wrote:I'd let someone in feminist PR know that there are fake feminists abounding on DCUM then- the cruelest comments I've seen made to SAHM have been from self proclaimed feminists on this board.

Precisely. Though I don't see those comments as cruel as much as simply moronic and ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with you- talk about societal changes all you want- but alll of my working friends are the default parent on top of working full time- nothing about that is appealing to me. It's why I SAH.

Bingo. I actually think the product of women's lib actually made it worse for a lot of moms. Saturated employment market, reduced salaries, but now have the cost/burden of childcare.

Families used to get on just fine on one income. Not so these days. And, yes, mom is still the default parent or primary caregiver 8/10.

So I guess we still need more women's lib.

Or we can acknowlwdge that people have different strengths, set up our families in ways that work for us, and stop pretending that different can't be even more wonderful than pretending we are all the exact same to achieve "equality".

That actually is women's lib. I'm glad that we agree.

Really? Because you seem upset whenever women say they stay home with their kids. And And God forbid they *enjoy* it.

How do yo know this? We're all Anonymous here on this forum.

Omg dcum is LOADED with bitter, angry, hateful working moms who constantly lash out at sahms. They are jealous. They pretend they aren't, but they are. There are a handful of working moms who don't care who works and who sah, but most of the wohm on dcum are bitter, jealous, and angry.

I stayed home until child started school and then started working part time. I still work part time and handle all of the stuff I did as a sahm, just not the same quality as I did when I was home. I'm currently looking to work full time, I imagine things will change when that happens. I'll need more help since I'll be working more hours outside the home. I see a lot of value in the work that sahms do. Especially the quality of childcare.

Hmm, someone is irrationally bitter and angry here about total strangers. Lighten up, lady.

Actually, PP nailed it 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:I completely agree with you- talk about societal changes all you want- but alll of my working friends are the default parent on top of working full time- nothing about that is appealing to me. It's why I SAH.

Bingo. I actually think the product of women's lib actually made it worse for a lot of moms. Saturated employment market, reduced salaries, but now have the cost/burden of childcare.

Families used to get on just fine on one income. Not so these days. And, yes, mom is still the default parent or primary caregiver 8/10.

So I guess we still need more women's lib.

Or we can acknowlwdge that people have different strengths, set up our families in ways that work for us, and stop pretending that different can't be even more wonderful than pretending we are all the exact same to achieve "equality".

That actually is women's lib. I'm glad that we agree.

Really? Because you seem upset whenever women say they stay home with their kids. And And God forbid they *enjoy* it.

How do yo know this? We're all Anonymous here on this forum.

Omg dcum is LOADED with bitter, angry, hateful working moms who constantly lash out at sahms. They are jealous. They pretend they aren't, but they are. There are a handful of working moms who don't care who works and who sah, but most of the wohm on dcum are bitter, jealous, and angry.

I stayed home until child started school and then started working part time. I still work part time and handle all of the stuff I did as a sahm, just not the same quality as I did when I was home. I'm currently looking to work full time, I imagine things will change when that happens. I'll need more help since I'll be working more hours outside the home. I see a lot of value in the work that sahms do. Especially the quality of childcare.

Hmm, someone is irrationally bitter and angry here about total strangers. Lighten up, lady.

I'm not bitter and angry about anything, just pointing out an observation.

Really? your writing sure makes you sound that way. Feeling the need to lash out at strangers with a diatribe of insults isnt't the way calm confident people react.

Oh no! You might want to pass that on to all the aforementioned bitter WOHMs who constantly show their insecurity when they post their inane insults toward SAHMs. Because you're right; that's not how calm and confident people act.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm disappointed that more women with advanced degrees choose not to work.

I am not disappointed when I meet a women with a bachelor degree or master degree in arts or history who chose to be a housewife. However, when I meet someone with the MBA or law degree from the IVY and who never worked, or works as a yoga teacher once a week, I feel upset. I feel like this person took someone else spot at the elite college, the college spent all that money to train her, and she does not return it back to the society. Her spot could be taking by some other lady who will be more productive member of the society.

I find it hysterical that you have clearly given so much thought to this. You must be "upset" (!) with a great deal of women then. Every SAHM I know has advanced degrees, often in law or business, and often from an Ivy. But guess what? They've all worked in their field prior to having children and many of us will return to work at some point. Good thing we got those degrees, huh?

As for being a "productive member of society," I find it puzzling that anyone would consider a parent taking time out of the workforce to care for his or her children to be "unproductive." There's truly no job more important to society.