Are you a "Dream Hoarder"? I am, apparently

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who posted the Brookings link but haven't posted since.

Why can't we implement a required high school course (or maybe even late middle school) in high poverty areas that goes something like this:

Have you spent your whole life on public assistance? Do you think it totally sucks and don't want to spend the rest of your life that way? Great! Here's how you do it! Oh and by the way, here's how bank accounts work and credit card payments/fees/interest. Here's how you buy an affordable used car. Here is how you rent an affordable apartment on your own. But most importantly, finish school, do NOT do drugs and DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT get pregnant (or get anyone pregnant.) And I honestly think that very last part is the crux of the whole issue.

My brother teaches in a vo-tech school in a poor area and he actually takes time to do this. Well, he teaches basic finance, about credit (teaches them along Dave Ramsey-style lines), basic life skills, etc. Way too many come in thinking your net worth is how much you can borrow. One of the reasons that I adore my brother. It isn't the "official" curriculum but he figures it will do them more good than anything else he can teach them.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/amp/

Graduate high school, get a job, wait until age 21 to marry and don't have kids premarriage, and you have only a 2% chance of living in poverty.

Love this! With just a bit of tweaking short, snappy, and to the point. Should be basis of a national advertising campaign.

What an arrogant ignorant directive

Yeah, I mean any one of those is super hard, I can't imagine doing all of them together. Insanity.

It is the simplistic, condescending tone, as if just telling them is going to make it happen without any regard for helping to create the circumstances and environment that would help make it possible .

We're looking at this from different sides of the coin. You think we should provide some kind of social service or "environment" to make it conducive for POCs and poors to make good choices. I think we should pull the rug out so they have no choice but to get off their asses and make good choices themselves or face a shitty future. Bottom line, that's all that works with the remora class. If you give them anything they will keep taking and taking and putting in as little effort as possible. Why should it be everybody else's responsibility to bankroll their poor choices?

WTF???
Most poor people are WORKING POOR!
You and your wrong-headed, not factual ideas of poor welfare queens living off you.
Who the f*** do you think is living the high life off what folks get for SNAP or WIC each month.
Does it make you feel good to believe that garbage?
PLUS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT KIDS, KIDS, KIDS.
Kids have to be taught about how to make good choices, how to gather, retain, and utilize information. Do you think you are just simply a good person and made outstanding choices because you are innately a "better" person some poor 17 yr old? No, someone taught you, just like they taught me.
There are a lot of kids out here who are not getting what we got. Their are kids in crumbling schools with teachers who either don't give a damn or don't have what they need to teach the kids the best way possible. There are kids going to school HUNGRY. Study after Study has shown that hungry kids are not learning..too damn busy, I don't know, being hungry!!
And you want to talk about sexually active teens, do you know how many young girls are molested and become sexualized early and then go on to be sexually active as a way of acting out after being violated.
Yes, we as a society have a responsibility to make sure that we create a fair and just society for all people -- ALL PEOPLE. Not just you.
And for you to talk about people of color and poor people as if they are not people -- FORGET YOU!!!!!!!

LOL you can take the privileged crap and shove it
I grew up poor and made it without anybody showing me anything
Quit making excuses for people. Its time that decisions have consequences.

Somebody showed you something genius

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/amp/

Graduate high school, get a job, wait until age 21 to marry and don't have kids premarriage, and you have only a 2% chance of living in poverty.

Love this! With just a bit of tweaking short, snappy, and to the point. Should be basis of a national advertising campaign.

What an arrogant ignorant directive

Yeah, I mean any one of those is super hard, I can't imagine doing all of them together. Insanity.

It is the simplistic, condescending tone, as if just telling them is going to make it happen without any regard for helping to create the circumstances and environment that would help make it possible .

We're looking at this from different sides of the coin. You think we should provide some kind of social service or "environment" to make it conducive for POCs and poors to make good choices. I think we should pull the rug out so they have no choice but to get off their asses and make good choices themselves or face a shitty future. Bottom line, that's all that works with the remora class. If you give them anything they will keep taking and taking and putting in as little effort as possible. Why should it be everybody else's responsibility to bankroll their poor choices?

WTF???
Most poor people are WORKING POOR!
You and your wrong-headed, not factual ideas of poor welfare queens living off you.
Who the f*** do you think is living the high life off what folks get for SNAP or WIC each month.
Does it make you feel good to believe that garbage?
PLUS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT KIDS, KIDS, KIDS.
Kids have to be taught about how to make good choices, how to gather, retain, and utilize information. Do you think you are just simply a good person and made outstanding choices because you are innately a "better" person some poor 17 yr old? No, someone taught you, just like they taught me.
There are a lot of kids out here who are not getting what we got. Their are kids in crumbling schools with teachers who either don't give a damn or don't have what they need to teach the kids the best way possible. There are kids going to school HUNGRY. Study after Study has shown that hungry kids are not learning..too damn busy, I don't know, being hungry!!
And you want to talk about sexually active teens, do you know how many young girls are molested and become sexualized early and then go on to be sexually active as a way of acting out after being violated.
Yes, we as a society have a responsibility to make sure that we create a fair and just society for all people -- ALL PEOPLE. Not just you.
And for you to talk about people of color and poor people as if they are not people -- FORGET YOU!!!!!!!

You left out parents. Most of this is directly the parents' fault. Again it circles back to people that shouldn't be parents having kids and then like begetting like. Why are these kids not able to eat nutritious food? Parents suck. Why are they not supervised so they get molested by Uncle Johnny (or daddy)? Parents suck. Why is there no money to buy clothes? Parents suck. There are a shitload of super crappy parents out there that ought not to be parents because a) they suck at it, b) they have no interest in it, c) they can't even get their own shit straight so who do they think they are to have a kid and d) can't afford it in the first place. A lot of those parents are REPEAT parents which makes the situation even worse. Maybe we need mandatory sterilization of the remora class after x number of childbirths if the Somalia thing doesn't work out. Actually, I bet Somalia wouldn't want us dumping these losers over there either so that may not be an option.

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I like the idea of a remora test. Basically we lay out some criteria based on capability to hold a job (i.e. not truly, medically disabled) coupled with some kind of poor decision matrix/scoring system and then come up with the amount of public assistance we are willing to offer based on remora score level. If you are a total remora you get a one way ticket to Somalia. Only 2/5ths remora because of a job loss and a sick parent then maybe you get assistance for a defined period to help you get back on your feet. Come to think of it, this sounds exactly like something that might fly with the Trump administration. I'm surprised nobody has pitched it yet.

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Oh my god some of you are just pure evil.
I quit this horrible thread.

[Anonymous]

I ignored this thread when I saw it first pop up. The name is just weird. Hoarding dreams? Who came up with that? Now that I've read through a few pages, I think it should be "have you or your children been the beneficiary of white privilege?"

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Anonymous wrote:I ignored this thread when I saw it first pop up. The name is just weird. Hoarding dreams? Who came up with that? Now that I've read through a few pages, I think it should be "have you or your children been the beneficiary of white privilege?"

I'm not white, but my children definitely have experienced privilege. Same for Obama's daughters. Nothing white about privilege in the modern day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster who posted the Brookings link but haven't posted since.

Why can't we implement a required high school course (or maybe even late middle school) in high poverty areas that goes something like this:

Have you spent your whole life on public assistance? Do you think it totally sucks and don't want to spend the rest of your life that way? Great! Here's how you do it! Oh and by the way, here's how bank accounts work and credit card payments/fees/interest. Here's how you buy an affordable used car. Here is how you rent an affordable apartment on your own. But most importantly, finish school, do NOT do drugs and DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT get pregnant (or get anyone pregnant.) And I honestly think that very last part is the crux of the whole issue.

the blame game. why would someone who is oppressed believe this whenyou say it?

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i am a dream hoarder. my family has put a lot of energy into making usre people know their station

they have covertly supported the redlining and other marginalization, probably since the time of sugar colonies and sl##ery

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Anonymous wrote:i am a dream hoarder. my family has put a lot of energy into making usre people know their station

they have covertly supported the redlining and other marginalization, probably since the time of sugar colonies and sl##ery

i work with peopel on medicaid. the biggest 'welfare queen' i've met in last year is a white family w a big house, 60k car and a decent sized boat with wi-fi. they on public assistance

[Anonymous]

Just go to the Europe Model

Everyone takes a test around Middle School

The bottom 1/3 goes into trade school
The middle 1/3 goes into basic college
The top 1/3 goes into advanced college

Everyone is given instruction they can actually use and becomes productive members of society

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Anonymous wrote:Just go to the Europe Model

Everyone takes a test around Middle School

The bottom 1/3 goes into trade school
The middle 1/3 goes into basic college
The top 1/3 goes into advanced college

Everyone is given instruction they can actually use and becomes productive members of society

So their fate is determined by their performance on one test in middle school that the upper class kids are probably heavily prepped for going in....

Yeah that sounds "fair". I'll stick with the American Dream thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I ignored this thread when I saw it first pop up. The name is just weird. Hoarding dreams? Who came up with that? Now that I've read through a few pages, I think it should be "have you or your children been the beneficiary of white privilege?"

I'm not white, but my children definitely have experienced privilege. Same for Obama's daughters. Nothing white about privilege in the modern day.

While other races may experience privilege -- white still does mean privilege in a lot of ways.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just go to the Europe Model

Everyone takes a test around Middle School

The bottom 1/3 goes into trade school
The middle 1/3 goes into basic college
The top 1/3 goes into advanced college

Everyone is given instruction they can actually use and becomes productive members of society

So their fate is determined by their performance on one test in middle school that the upper class kids are probably heavily prepped for going in....

Yeah that sounds "fair". I'll stick with the American Dream thank you.

I'm tired of wasting tax dollars on kids that can't handle high school let alone college.

Part of the reason kids drop out is what they are "learning" is irrelevant and/or way over the heads of what they are going to be doing

Better to take time to teach them an actual skill (along with life skills) so they can be productive instead of parsites in the future

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just go to the Europe Model

Everyone takes a test around Middle School

The bottom 1/3 goes into trade school
The middle 1/3 goes into basic college
The top 1/3 goes into advanced college

Everyone is given instruction they can actually use and becomes productive members of society

So their fate is determined by their performance on one test in middle school that the upper class kids are probably heavily prepped for going in....

Yeah that sounds "fair". I'll stick with the American Dream thank you.

I'm tired of wasting tax dollars on kids that can't handle high school let alone college.

Part of the reason kids drop out is what they are "learning" is irrelevant and/or way over the heads of what they are going to be doing

Better to take time to teach them an actual skill (along with life skills) so they can be productive instead of parsites in the future

NP -- agree with you -- but I don't think kids should be forced into a track based on one test. Maybe more should be encouraged though.