UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Research shows that young people's brains are not fully developed when it comes to impulse control until mid to late twenties. College is a particularly vulnerable time I'd say when there is more independence and autonomy but still less judgment. Most make it through safely despite themselves. He did nothing that merited that punishment; I only have sympathy for Otto and his family. I wish there were a way to ban any American from traveling to markedly inhospitable parts of the world where visitors are sometimes seized and used as geopolitical pawns. If we don't have diplomatic relations with a country, we should not allow citizens to travel there as it leads to heart rending situations such as this.


So the average college student can't read or understand advice not to go somewhere?

I this what you are arguing?

Below is a section of the State Dept. Position on traveling to North Korea. Is it of your opinion a college student in their 20s can not read and understand the statement?


The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens not to travel to North Korea/the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens not to travel to North Korea/the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). U.S. citizens in the DPRK are at serious risk of arrest and long-term detention under North Korea’s system of law enforcement. This system imposes unduly harsh sentences for actions that would not be considered crimes in the United States and threatens U.S. citizen detainees with being treated in accordance with “wartime law of the DPRK.” Since the United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with North Korea, the U.S. government has no means to provide normal consular services to U.S. citizens in North Korea. This notice updates the number of U.S. citizens who have been detained in North Korea and replaces the Travel Warning dated February 7, 2017.

At least 16 U.S. citizens have been detained in North Korea in the past ten years. North Korean authorities have detained those who traveled independently and those who were part of organized tours. Being a member of a group tour or using a tour guide will not prevent North Korean authorities from detaining or arresting you. Efforts by private tour operators to prevent or resolve past detentions of U.S. citizens in the DPRK have not been successful.

If you decide to enter North Korea against the advice of this Travel Warning, you should have no expectation of privacy. All electronic and multimedia devices including USB drives, CDs, DVDs, mobile phones, tablets, laptops, Internet browsing histories, and cookies are subject to search for banned content.

If DPRK authorities permit you to keep your mobile phone when you enter the country, it will not function unless you use the DPRK mobile service, which will enable DPRK authorities to monitor your calls. GPS-trackers and satellite phones are not allowed.

Possession of any media, either physical or electronic, that is critical of the DPRK government or its leaders is considered a criminal act punishable by long-term detention in hard labor camps and heavy fines.

In North Korea, the following – whether done knowingly or unknowingly – have been treated as crimes:

Showing disrespect to the country’s former leaders, Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il, or for the country’s current leader, Kim Jong Un, including but not limited to tampering with or mishandling materials bearing their names or images;
Entering North Korea without proper travel documentation;
Possessing material that is in any way critical of the DPRK government;
Proselytizing or carrying out religious activities, including activities that may be construed as such, like leaving behind religious materials;
Engaging in unsanctioned political activities;
Traveling without authorization, even for short distances;
Having unauthorized interaction with the local population;
Exchanging currency with an unauthorized vendor;
Taking unauthorized photographs;
Bringing pornography into the country;
Shopping at stores not designated for foreigners; and
Removing or tampering with political slogans and signs or pictures of political leaders.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once again....... posters here are blaming this young college student for his own predicament.

We really have no way of knowing WHAT he did or WHAT he didn’t do. All we know is what N Korea accused him of. And, N Korea’s record for being honest is not exactly stellar.



Did the North Koreans come to America, pick Otto up from UVA and bring him to North Korea? Did the invite him for a little vacation? Did I miss that in the article?

Because, I'm pretty sure Otto of his own free will brought his ass to North Korea on his own.

When the State Dept. Warns against doing that.

If you want to avoid being an innocent imprisoned person in North Korea don't go to North Korea. It really is that simple.

But, I suppose you are one of those Americans who feel because you're American you should be able go wherever you please and be praised for being American.



That nicely sums up so many of these posters. MAGA as they beat their chest.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Once again....... posters here are blaming this young college student for his own predicament.

We really have no way of knowing WHAT he did or WHAT he didn’t do. All we know is what N Korea accused him of. And, N Korea’s record for being honest is not exactly stellar.



Did the North Koreans come to America, pick Otto up from UVA and bring him to North Korea? Did the invite him for a little vacation? Did I miss that in the article?

Because, I'm pretty sure Otto of his own free will brought his ass to North Korea on his own.

When the State Dept. Warns against doing that.

If you want to avoid being an innocent imprisoned person in North Korea don't go to North Korea. It really is that simple.

But, I suppose you are one of those Americans who feel because you're American you should be able go wherever you please and be praised for being American.



That nicely sums up so many of these posters. MAGA as they beat their chest.


Where did any poster who has sympathy for Otto express this sentiment?
Anonymous
Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!


+1

The judgment and vitriol from some posters on this thread is stunning.

Of course Otto did at least one stupid thing but those of you calling him a spoiled brat or judging him based on "people of Otto's background" are suggesting that he and his family deserve the consequences, no matter how horrendous.

I will be ashamed for you since obviously you have none of your own.


+100.
Also, we know the trial was a complete sham. It is also quite possible that the charges were as well.

It will be very interesting if the medical reports are published about Otto's physical condition at this time. If he did have botulism, as a prisoner I'm sure he did not receive adequate care and if his respiratory muscles were compromised, he would have suffered anoxic brain damage. EEG's can help to establish what happened as well as CT scan. If there is any evidence of skull fracture or other torture, NK is in big trouble. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I am of pleased with how he has handled this situation.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


So he deserves to be a vegetable the rest of his life?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


It is alleged unless this supposed footage is available and was shown at the trial. Otherwise poof, means nothing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


So he deserves to be a vegetable the rest of his life?


So says N Korea. Do you believe everything coming out of this regime?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


So he deserves to be a vegetable the rest of his life?


So says N Korea. Do you believe everything coming out of this regime?

Well, no, I don't. But the State Department warning is pretty clear that they can and do arrest people on trumped-up charges and that it is in no way safe for Americans. I think it's tragic what happened to him and hopefully this will discourage other Americans from traveling there for fun.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


So he deserves to be a vegetable the rest of his life?


Not an unforeseen consequence for blatantly breaking the law in NK.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


It is alleged unless this supposed footage is available and was shown at the trial. Otherwise poof, means nothing.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqHUToXHic
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!


+1

The judgment and vitriol from some posters on this thread is stunning.

Of course Otto did at least one stupid thing but those of you calling him a spoiled brat or judging him based on "people of Otto's background" are suggesting that he and his family deserve the consequences, no matter how horrendous.

I will be ashamed for you since obviously you have none of your own.


+100.
Also, we know the trial was a complete sham. It is also quite possible that the charges were as well.

It will be very interesting if the medical reports are published about Otto's physical condition at this time. If he did have botulism, as a prisoner I'm sure he did not receive adequate care and if his respiratory muscles were compromised, he would have suffered anoxic brain damage. EEG's can help to establish what happened as well as CT scan. If there is any evidence of skull fracture or other torture, NK is in big trouble. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I am of pleased with how he has handled this situation.



I know someone who knows Otto and the family personally. The idea of him being spoiled and entitled corresponds with reality.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wasn't he caught on camera removing the poster? Pretty sure that kills the alleged argument.


So he deserves to be a vegetable the rest of his life?


So says N Korea. Do you believe everything coming out of this regime?

Well, no, I don't. But the State Department warning is pretty clear that they can and do arrest people on trumped-up charges and that it is in no way safe for Americans. I think it's tragic what happened to him and hopefully this will discourage other Americans from traveling there for fun.


Amen to that.
Anonymous
I have nothing but sympathy and prayers for Otto and his family. It was dumb to go to NK, but not anything deserving of what they've been through.

That said.... I do not understand why Americans are allowed to go there. We aren't allowed to go to Cuba, where by all accounts tourists will be treated just fine. Why doesn't the US place an embargo on NK just the same and just avoid the terrible (but predictable) outcomes like this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have nothing but sympathy and prayers for Otto and his family. It was dumb to go to NK, but not anything deserving of what they've been through.

That said.... I do not understand why Americans are allowed to go there. We aren't allowed to go to Cuba, where by all accounts tourists will be treated just fine. Why doesn't the US place an embargo on NK just the same and just avoid the terrible (but predictable) outcomes like this.


I agree totally. But, something tells me that if President Trump’s state department tried to issue an embargo on traveling to ANY country, the left would go nuts. “Just another sign of this administration becoming a dictatorship,” or something along those lines.
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