UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?

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Anonymous wrote:Research shows that young people's brains are not fully developed when it comes to impulse control until mid to late twenties. College is a particularly vulnerable time I'd say when there is more independence and autonomy but still less judgment. Most make it through safely despite themselves. He did nothing that merited that punishment; I only have sympathy for Otto and his family. I wish there were a way to ban any American from traveling to markedly inhospitable parts of the world where visitors are sometimes seized and used as geopolitical pawns. If we don't have diplomatic relations with a country, we should not allow citizens to travel there as it leads to heart rending situations such as this.

22 is not a child. Period. A 22 year old brain is able to understand laws. He's not a 12 year old.

You may not like or agree with the law, but that is the law of the land.


I feel bad for his parents too, their " boys will be boys" and " he's just a kid" policy of parenting failed them.

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Anonymous wrote:If I had to guess, he was not in a coma for a year. More likely, he ran into a medical issue and it became grave. At which point North Korea decided it was better to ship him home than deal with the fallout of having him die in their custody.

This. North Korea has no medical infrastructure. And having an American die in jail is a big problem for them. Once he was in a coma, there is no upside to them keeping him. Hopefully that means he still has a chance at recovery.

Hope! Change! Perhaps! These are the words of clueless liberals.

Know what should have been a big problem for N. Korea? HOLDING ONE OF OUR CITIZENS CAPTIVE

The problem started when he violated their laws.

ThankYou!
I'm so tired of people acting like this is a 12 year old or15 year old with limited understanding . We're talking about a 20 something college student not a boy or a kid, but an adult. An adult that was capable of knowing and following the laws of the land he was in.
You don't like the laws stay the eff out of the country.

From what I understand, TIME magazine has been running article(s) about young adults going to N. Korea and daring to challenge their laws, making the whole thing seem like a really cool idea. Those articles seem to fire up youth going there.

It's amazing how liberals love to blame a white college kid.

What's amazing is how white conservative make excuses for adults who break the law when they are white.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!

Hard. Not at all.

Even if it were I wouldn't back down from hard.

Maybe you should stop being afraid of "hard" and be a parent and you won't have to worry about raising a future Brock Turner, Ethan Couch or Otto Warmbier.

#boymom right?

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!

+1

The judgment and vitriol from some posters on this thread is stunning.

Of course Otto did at least one stupid thing but those of you calling him a spoiled brat or judging him based on "people of Otto's background" are suggesting that he and his family deserve the consequences, no matter how horrendous.

I will be ashamed for you since obviously you have none of your own.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean a communist government killed an American student. Super fishy? How harsh. This one is on Obama

Oh, come on. The kid was imprisoned for fucking around in a forbidden area and taking down posters. How is that Obama's fault?

I hope he is okay.

Let's start with the concept of 'f*ing around in a forbidden area and taking down posters' and being pulled out of an airport and imprisoned for hard labor over it. Now let's discuss the idea that if he DID contract botulism, how did that taint the North Korean prison food supply? I'm sure it was an accident that the food was bad. Now let's add to that if it wasn't botulism, hard labor in a North Korean prison camp couldn't possibly lead to an accident, heatstroke, hypothermia, etc, right?

Obama, Hillary, left him there to rot. Trump isn't even 6 months into his administration, and the guy is released. And are working on the release of other Americans, as they did prior to this one.

Reminds me of Iran taking our diplomats hostage. Carter failed to get them out. But as soon as Reagan took over, they were released. Iran had originally demanded all of the shah's wealth. But Iran refused the hostages for nothing more than a promise that we would unfreeze their assets.

You leaving out a lot, such as the whole Iran-Contra affair. And, Reagan making a deal with Iran to hold the hostages until after the election.

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Anonymous wrote:Research shows that young people's brains are not fully developed when it comes to impulse control until mid to late twenties. College is a particularly vulnerable time I'd say when there is more independence and autonomy but still less judgment. Most make it through safely despite themselves. He did nothing that merited that punishment; I only have sympathy for Otto and his family. I wish there were a way to ban any American from traveling to markedly inhospitable parts of the world where visitors are sometimes seized and used as geopolitical pawns. If we don't have diplomatic relations with a country, we should not allow citizens to travel there as it leads to heart rending situations such as this.

22 is not a child. Period. A 22 year old brain is able to understand laws. He's not a 12 year old.

You may not like or agree with the law, but that is the law of the land.


I feel bad for his parents too, their " boys will be boys" and " he's just a kid" policy of parenting failed them.

And you know this how?

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Anonymous wrote:If I had to guess, he was not in a coma for a year. More likely, he ran into a medical issue and it became grave. At which point North Korea decided it was better to ship him home than deal with the fallout of having him die in their custody.

This. North Korea has no medical infrastructure. And having an American die in jail is a big problem for them. Once he was in a coma, there is no upside to them keeping him. Hopefully that means he still has a chance at recovery.

Hope! Change! Perhaps! These are the words of clueless liberals.

Know what should have been a big problem for N. Korea? HOLDING ONE OF OUR CITIZENS CAPTIVE

The problem started when he violated their laws.

We can’t be certain this poor kid actually did anything wrong. Why they arrested him is pretty much a mystery. We know what N Korea has said and we know what this kid has “confessed” to, but we can’t be sure any of that is accurate.
I am glad he is on his way home. Maybe our medical professionals can help him. I doubt N Korea went out of their way to give him adequate medical care.

He's not a kid. So you can stop That. There's not a doubt in my mind he did something wrong. I've seen with my own eyes people ( usually people of Otto's background) behaving appalingly when abroad even after clear warnings from staff, guide, teachers etc. that their behavior could have dire consequences not just for them, but the entire group. Doesn't stop these kind of people because they are raised to believe they can do as they please.

Don't like the laws. Can't follow the rules . Stay home.

Take out the travel abroad part and it sounds like that 'kid' Michael Brown, now doesn't it?

Nice try being a racist troll, but I'm sure you'd have nothing but sympathy if this was a blck college kid that just didn't understand the law, Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!

Hard. Not at all.

Even if it were I wouldn't back down from hard.

Maybe you should stop being afraid of "hard" and be a parent and you won't have to worry about raising a future Brock Turner, Ethan Couch or Otto Warmbier.

#boymom right?

NP. To suggest that Otto Warmbier is comparable to either of the others says a lot about you and none of it is good.

#girlmom.

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Anonymous wrote:No red flags here, pun intended. I mean seriously, how is this in any way a good idea? The State Department travel warnings are issued for a reason.

http://www.youngpioneertours.com/

Whatever. The point is not how he got there, but N. Korea's actions towards this student and the fact they probably killed him. I want to know why he was left there to literally die by the Obama administration.

I'm not interested in sending abunch of 18 year olds to fight in North Korea because some spoiled, stupid 20 year old could not stay the frack out of a forbidden zone. It doesn't take a genius to realize that NK is off limits for tourism. The Chinese don't even go there for vacation

And I'm not going to have one whit of empathy for any liberal that lives on Capitol Hill and is attacked, knowing how dangerous the surrounding neighborhood is. That's spoiled and stupid behavior. It doesn't take a genius to realize you could get robbed and killed.

DP. Is someone on this forum actually so stupid that he or she really just compared Capitol Hill to North Korea???

Dear lord.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. I see a bunch of liberals who are blaming the adult and his parents because he's white. Yet all you have is empathy for idiots attacked on Capitol Hill, knowing full well that areas close by are war zones. I seem to remember demands for security and desire for your own weapons after the last spate of attacks in that area.

Fixed that for you. Is being accountable for his actions. He had no reason to be in NK. The state department wars against travel to that country.

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Once again....... posters here are blaming this young college student for his own predicament.

We really have no way of knowing WHAT he did or WHAT he didn’t do. All we know is what N Korea accused him of. And, N Korea’s record for being honest is not exactly stellar.

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Anonymous wrote:If I had to guess, he was not in a coma for a year. More likely, he ran into a medical issue and it became grave. At which point North Korea decided it was better to ship him home than deal with the fallout of having him die in their custody.

This. North Korea has no medical infrastructure. And having an American die in jail is a big problem for them. Once he was in a coma, there is no upside to them keeping him. Hopefully that means he still has a chance at recovery.

Hope! Change! Perhaps! These are the words of clueless liberals.

Know what should have been a big problem for N. Korea? HOLDING ONE OF OUR CITIZENS CAPTIVE

The problem started when he violated their laws.

We can’t be certain this poor kid actually did anything wrong. Why they arrested him is pretty much a mystery. We know what N Korea has said and we know what this kid has “confessed” to, but we can’t be sure any of that is accurate.
I am glad he is on his way home. Maybe our medical professionals can help him. I doubt N Korea went out of their way to give him adequate medical care.

He's not a kid. So you can stop That. There's not a doubt in my mind he did something wrong. I've seen with my own eyes people ( usually people of Otto's background) behaving appalingly when abroad even after clear warnings from staff, guide, teachers etc. that their behavior could have dire consequences not just for them, but the entire group. Doesn't stop these kind of people because they are raised to believe they can do as they please.

Don't like the laws. Can't follow the rules . Stay home.

Take out the travel abroad part and it sounds like that 'kid' Michael Brown, now doesn't it?

Nice try being a racist troll, but I'm sure you'd have nothing but sympathy if this was a blck college kid that just didn't understand the law, Right?

Good Lord, when you people start losing arguments regarding white people's bad conduct, you always have to deflect to Black people. Why? Is it just a white thing that cannot be controlled?

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!

Hard. Not at all.

Even if it were I wouldn't back down from hard.

Maybe you should stop being afraid of "hard" and be a parent and you won't have to worry about raising a future Brock Turner, Ethan Couch or Otto Warmbier.

#boymom right?

NP. To suggest that Otto Warmbier is comparable to either of the others says a lot about you and none of it is good.

#girlmom.

They all had excuses for them all their lives because they were "boys". People are upset because this"boy" was held accountable. I'm sure you're raising your daughter to make excuses for men.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear that you and your kids are so perfect and never make a mistake! How do you live having to interact with the rest of us mere mortals who do occasionally make mistakes? It must. be very hard on you !!

Hard. Not at all.

Even if it were I wouldn't back down from hard.

Maybe you should stop being afraid of "hard" and be a parent and you won't have to worry about raising a future Brock Turner, Ethan Couch or Otto Warmbier.

#boymom right?

NP. To suggest that Otto Warmbier is comparable to either of the others says a lot about you and none of it is good.

#girlmom.

They all had excuses for them all their lives because they were "boys". People are upset because this"boy" was held accountable. I'm sure you're raising your daughter to make excuses for men.

NP. Being held accountable is one thing. Being sentenced to prison and a coma is not "being held accountable". It's awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again....... posters here are blaming this young college student for his own predicament.

We really have no way of knowing WHAT he did or WHAT he didn’t do. All we know is what N Korea accused him of. And, N Korea’s record for being honest is not exactly stellar.

We know he should not have been in NK. It's like those American hikers in Iran. They knew darn well they should not have gone into Iran, but they went anyway. And then they want the USA to raise heaven and hell, along with other people's sons, daughters, and money to get them out of their adventure. Responsibility obviously was not a part of the NK man-child vocabulary, or the hikers.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again....... posters here are blaming this young college student for his own predicament.

We really have no way of knowing WHAT he did or WHAT he didn’t do. All we know is what N Korea accused him of. And, N Korea’s record for being honest is not exactly stellar.

Did the North Koreans come to America, pick Otto up from UVA and bring him to North Korea? Did the invite him for a little vacation? Did I miss that in the article?

Because, I'm pretty sure Otto of his own free will brought his ass to North Korea on his own.

When the State Dept. Warns against doing that.

If you want to avoid being an innocent imprisoned person in North Korea don't go to North Korea. It really is that simple.

But, I suppose you are one of those Americans who feel because you're American you should be able go wherever you please and be praised for being American.