Trump's new educational secretary nominee, Betsy DeVos, have a reaching affect on VA Public Schools?

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Because not all the kids who live there will get vouchers, and the kids left behind will be stuck in a school with even fewer resources. You know this. Fix the failing school. Don't hobble it even further.

Exactly. That is the current policy. Look how well it is working out.

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Which schools around the DC area are failing and would require vouchers for other schools under ESSA?

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Yes, many are. But furthermore, why do we want taxpayer dollars going to these schools? Isn't it enough that many are tax exempt and that we give freedom for children to go there? Is it fair for tax dollars to go to schools that promote a religion that others don't participate in? Why should any tax dollars go towards promoting religion?

I am a strong public schools supporter. DH and I are both products of public schools as are our college graduate children--public all the way. DH's grad school was prestigious private.

However, if people live where there is a failing public school and want to send their kids to a private--why not let them use the money that would be spent sending them to public? And, just because you find churches offensive, what is wrong with free choice?

If you support charters or vouchers, you are not a strong public schools supporter. Those both allow money to be funneled to schools that can cherry-pick the easiest-to-educate students without requiring the same level of inclusion public schools have.

A lot of "failing schools" are actually just locations where the failure of the social safety net is easily observable. Jesus and multilevel marketing won't help.

Yes so let's keep spending money on the failing school (???? wtf????? smh?????) instead of giving people in the neighborhood an option to attend a better performing school

How about this instead: allow kids in "failing" schools to transfer into the elite public schools nearby. Since this is the VA Schools forum, I would guess most of us are in Fairfax, Arlington, or Loudoun. If you are a student in a "failing" school who would qualify for a voucher, instead, you should be allowed to transfer into a school within your jurisdiction that is not failing. And transportation is provided.

Exactly. Many of the public schools in Fairfax are excellent. Why would they need vouchers for other schools outside FCPS or outside public school? Isn't that the way it's already being done through NCLB?

No, four years ago many jurisdictions applied for a waiver from this provision of NCLB. So, no transfers based on "failing" schools.

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Yes, many are. But furthermore, why do we want taxpayer dollars going to these schools? Isn't it enough that many are tax exempt and that we give freedom for children to go there? Is it fair for tax dollars to go to schools that promote a religion that others don't participate in? Why should any tax dollars go towards promoting religion?

I am a strong public schools supporter. DH and I are both products of public schools as are our college graduate children--public all the way. DH's grad school was prestigious private.

However, if people live where there is a failing public school and want to send their kids to a private--why not let them use the money that would be spent sending them to public? And, just because you find churches offensive, what is wrong with free choice?

If you support charters or vouchers, you are not a strong public schools supporter. Those both allow money to be funneled to schools that can cherry-pick the easiest-to-educate students without requiring the same level of inclusion public schools have.

A lot of "failing schools" are actually just locations where the failure of the social safety net is easily observable. Jesus and multilevel marketing won't help.

Yes so let's keep spending money on the failing school (???? wtf????? smh?????) instead of giving people in the neighborhood an option to attend a better performing school

How about this instead: allow kids in "failing" schools to transfer into the elite public schools nearby. Since this is the VA Schools forum, I would guess most of us are in Fairfax, Arlington, or Loudoun. If you are a student in a "failing" school who would qualify for a voucher, instead, you should be allowed to transfer into a school within your jurisdiction that is not failing. And transportation is provided.

Exactly. Many of the public schools in Fairfax are excellent. Why would they need vouchers for other schools outside FCPS or outside public school? Isn't that the way it's already being done through NCLB?

LOL. Ok starting tomorrow everyone in South Arlington can go to any school in North Arlington they want, Anyone living along the Route 1 corridor can pick a school in McLean.

Seriously, I actually agree with you in spirit. Can you imagine what the people living in North Arlington/McLean would say or do if this stuff started happening.

I'll give you a hint complain, lobby to end it, move or go private and taking their valuable tax dollars which fund the bulk of local school funding with them

BS. Most people would complain loudly, and then realize the world didn't spin off its axis just because segregation wasn't maintained. And the ones who are so afraid of poor brown kids can leave. Good riddance.

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Yes, many are. But furthermore, why do we want taxpayer dollars going to these schools? Isn't it enough that many are tax exempt and that we give freedom for children to go there? Is it fair for tax dollars to go to schools that promote a religion that others don't participate in? Why should any tax dollars go towards promoting religion?

I am a strong public schools supporter. DH and I are both products of public schools as are our college graduate children--public all the way. DH's grad school was prestigious private.

However, if people live where there is a failing public school and want to send their kids to a private--why not let them use the money that would be spent sending them to public? And, just because you find churches offensive, what is wrong with free choice?

If you support charters or vouchers, you are not a strong public schools supporter. Those both allow money to be funneled to schools that can cherry-pick the easiest-to-educate students without requiring the same level of inclusion public schools have.

A lot of "failing schools" are actually just locations where the failure of the social safety net is easily observable. Jesus and multilevel marketing won't help.

Yes so let's keep spending money on the failing school (???? wtf????? smh?????) instead of giving people in the neighborhood an option to attend a better performing school

How about this instead: allow kids in "failing" schools to transfer into the elite public schools nearby. Since this is the VA Schools forum, I would guess most of us are in Fairfax, Arlington, or Loudoun. If you are a student in a "failing" school who would qualify for a voucher, instead, you should be allowed to transfer into a school within your jurisdiction that is not failing. And transportation is provided.

Exactly. Many of the public schools in Fairfax are excellent. Why would they need vouchers for other schools outside FCPS or outside public school? Isn't that the way it's already being done through NCLB?

No, four years ago many jurisdictions applied for a waiver from this provision of NCLB. So, no transfers based on "failing" schools.

Citation? Which schools in the DC area?

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And has this policy been changed through ESSA?

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Yes, many are. But furthermore, why do we want taxpayer dollars going to these schools? Isn't it enough that many are tax exempt and that we give freedom for children to go there? Is it fair for tax dollars to go to schools that promote a religion that others don't participate in? Why should any tax dollars go towards promoting religion?

I am a strong public schools supporter. DH and I are both products of public schools as are our college graduate children--public all the way. DH's grad school was prestigious private.

However, if people live where there is a failing public school and want to send their kids to a private--why not let them use the money that would be spent sending them to public? And, just because you find churches offensive, what is wrong with free choice?

You are no public schools supporter

This country separates church and state. Giving away public monies for use in religious schools is promoting religion.

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Anonymous wrote:In the interview, an audio recording, which was obtained by POLITICO, the [DeVos] couple is candid about how their Christian faith drives their efforts to reform American education.

School choice, they say, leads to “greater Kingdom gain.” The two also lament that public schools have “displaced” the Church as the center of communities, and they cite school choice as a way to reverse that troubling trend.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/betsy-devos-education-trump-religion-232150

“People support school vouchers for different reasons. Some make a free-market argument because they are opposed to public schooling. Others want to prop up sectarian teachings with taxpayer money,” Boston said. “DeVos has a foot in both camps, which does not bode well for our public schools.”

Thoughts?

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This country separates church and state. Giving away public monies for use in religious schools is promoting religion.

Why do you care? The school is educating the child. If you think the voucher will cover the total cost, I think you'd be surprised.

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Yes, many are. But furthermore, why do we want taxpayer dollars going to these schools? Isn't it enough that many are tax exempt and that we give freedom for children to go there? Is it fair for tax dollars to go to schools that promote a religion that others don't participate in? Why should any tax dollars go towards promoting religion?

I am a strong public schools supporter. DH and I are both products of public schools as are our college graduate children--public all the way. DH's grad school was prestigious private.

However, if people live where there is a failing public school and want to send their kids to a private--why not let them use the money that would be spent sending them to public? And, just because you find churches offensive, what is wrong with free choice?

If you support charters or vouchers, you are not a strong public schools supporter. Those both allow money to be funneled to schools that can cherry-pick the easiest-to-educate students without requiring the same level of inclusion public schools have.

A lot of "failing schools" are actually just locations where the failure of the social safety net is easily observable. Jesus and multilevel marketing won't help.

Yes so let's keep spending money on the failing school (???? wtf????? smh?????) instead of giving people in the neighborhood an option to attend a better performing school

How about this instead: allow kids in "failing" schools to transfer into the elite public schools nearby. Since this is the VA Schools forum, I would guess most of us are in Fairfax, Arlington, or Loudoun. If you are a student in a "failing" school who would qualify for a voucher, instead, you should be allowed to transfer into a school within your jurisdiction that is not failing. And transportation is provided.

Exactly. Many of the public schools in Fairfax are excellent. Why would they need vouchers for other schools outside FCPS or outside public school? Isn't that the way it's already being done through NCLB?

No, four years ago many jurisdictions applied for a waiver from this provision of NCLB. So, no transfers based on "failing" schools.

Citation? Which schools in the DC area?

Arlington. I don't know about others. I am not sure if it was just the county, or of it's all of VA.

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Arlington is a county. Which school was failing and how long was the waiver for? What years?

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Anonymous wrote:Arlington is a county. Which school was failing and how long was the waiver for? What years?

My mistake, it's the entire state of VA. No transfers based on NCL since 2012:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/virginia-wins-waiver-from-some-no-child-left-behind-provisions/2012/06/29/gJQA4HdVBW_story.html?utm_term=.17d39b20883d