Janney Open House this week - discussion on class size?

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Anonymous wrote:is there any discussion on reducing the number of PrK4 classes to gain a classroom or 2?

They absolutely should be discussing this. Obviously what Janney needs most is space. Best was to gain it is by jettisoning the non-required grade.

They get about twice as much money per PK student as they do K and up. This is why they keep the 4 classes.

That is not true. Here are the current funding levels from the Uniform Per Student Funding Formula:

PK3- $12,719
PK4- $12,340
K- $12,340
1-5- $ 9,492

As you can see, there is actually no difference in funding levels between PK4 and K. And the increase from first grade funding to PK4 is 30%- a good amount, yes, but not even close to "about twice as much".

The extra staffing required for PK classes just about balances out the increased funding per student.

I am not sure where these numbers are coming from, but Janney, and Deal, get the minimum allocation per student annually which is $8992. This allocation includes PPFM (per pupil minimum funds), which DCPS adds to a school budget after they set the total budget to make sure the allocation is up to the minimum. So some schools certainly get more per student, but the numbers above are presented in a cut and dry way. This is not the case.
For the budges for each school for 16-17 see http://www.dcpsdatacenter.com/fy17_initial.html

It's more complex than that. For example, there are plus ups for every student with an IEP, the amount varies based on how many services they get. And there are also plus ups for each ELL student.

The above are separate and apart from the at risk student funding pools, which I don't think Janney and Deal are eligible for because their populations include too few students with those economic challenges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:is there any discussion on reducing the number of PrK4 classes to gain a classroom or 2?

They absolutely should be discussing this. Obviously what Janney needs most is space. Best was to gain it is by jettisoning the non-required grade.

They get about twice as much money per PK student as they do K and up. This is why they keep the 4 classes.

That is not true. Here are the current funding levels from the Uniform Per Student Funding Formula:

PK3- $12,719
PK4- $12,340
K- $12,340
1-5- $ 9,492

As you can see, there is actually no difference in funding levels between PK4 and K. And the increase from first grade funding to PK4 is 30%- a good amount, yes, but not even close to "about twice as much".

The extra staffing required for PK classes just about balances out the increased funding per student.

I am not sure where these numbers are coming from, but Janney, and Deal, get the minimum allocation per student annually which is $8992. This allocation includes PPFM (per pupil minimum funds), which DCPS adds to a school budget after they set the total budget to make sure the allocation is up to the minimum. So some schools certainly get more per student, but the numbers above are presented in a cut and dry way. This is not the case.
For the budges for each school for 16-17 see http://www.dcpsdatacenter.com/fy17_initial.html

It's more complex than that. For example, there are plus ups for every student with an IEP, the amount varies based on how many services they get. And there are also plus ups for each ELL student.

The above are separate and apart from the at risk student funding pools, which I don't think Janney and Deal are eligible for because their populations include too few students with those economic challenges.

I agree, but if you take the overall budget and divide by the enrollment, you get an average number. The smallest that number can be is 8992. That is what Janney gets in 16-17. How they actually determine that total budget number to begin with is extremely complicated and includes SPED, IEPs, APs, all sorts of things - but they then check that total budget and make sure the minimum is met. In this case the total is much lower than taking the numbers above for K, 1-5 etc. and multiplying them by the number of students.