Confederate Battle Flag

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how any black person could feel welcome living in the state, doing business with the state, or getting justice in the state w the flag looming over the Capitol, never to be lowered in respect.
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What an idiotic statement given millions of blacks live there, and quite alright.

According to whom? Their Confederate neighbors?

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I dare a republican to run with the statement that we did them a favor.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how any black person could feel welcome living in the state, doing business with the state, or getting justice in the state w the flag looming over the Capitol, never to be lowered in respect.
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What an idiotic statement given millions of blacks live there, and quite alright.

You are oblivious and clueless, PP. And I'm saying that as a white guy.

[Anonymous]

Without reading all the responses my initial reaction is take it down. The confederacy does not exist any longer and they lost. Signed a former SC resident.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

12.5 million were shipped from Africa, but only 10.7 million made it alive to the US. So there's 2 million right there. And then there's the fact that 10.5 million of them and generations of their children died in slavery, you moron.

And didn't some of their fellow black men help capture and ship them over? Died in slavery? Do you mean starved to death? Or lived their lives in slavery?

And what about South America? Is South Carolina responsible for that as well? Careful now...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/18/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-slave-trade-caused-5-million-deaths/

And we wonder about racism. Wow. I cannot even believe you are going here. You are an ignorant moron and I feel sorry for your kids. PP, please read a book - if you can read that is.

I see, you don't like fact. Sorry about that.

the fact is that none of that excuses enslaving six million people. That is a fact.

Not saying it does. But don't make stupid comparisons using erroneous fact either.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

So that's your criteria? A set number of people have to be killed by an institution, to make it evil? Columbia, SC native here again. The only way that state is ever going to move forward is for folks like you to recognize that the WAR IS OVER and was, 150 years ago. It has zero to do with ANYTHING going on in the state at this time. The State House is a vibrant (by Columbia standards, anyway) area in the heart of downtown, with living, breathing people going there every day to influence and debate issues that are truly relevant to 2015. To have this stupid memorial front and center there is absurd.

A lot of folks died fighting for the confederacy. It's part of our history. Erasing symbols of it allows it to disappear from people's minds. You want history repeated? Go ahead and bury it.

First of all, the folks who died fighting for the confederacy were total idiots. If we knew them today, they would be the reddest of the necks. There were a very few extremely wealthy slaveholders and thousands who did their bidding by giving their lives for this stupid "cause," which was nothing more than keeping the money in extremely upper class hands. (And I say this as the descendent of several who took up arms for the south.) Yes, it is all part of our history and I agree that it should not be buried. It should be studied, talked about in schools, etc as it currently is. It should not, however, be celebrated by being memorialized on the state house grounds.

You know it was illegal NOT to fight for the Confederacy, right? Many southerners who lost their lives were forced into battle. Did you not learn history in school? This is Civil War 101.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That poster who was defending the confederate flag seemed emotionally disturbed. Basically people like that are paranoid schizophrenia. That PP has probably spent YEARS "studying" his "subject" and coming up with facile responses to arguments he's heard hundreds of times. When guys like that PP get too far lost in their delusions, really bad things can happen. Fortunately most are just harmless cranks but not always. The bottom line is that flag is a deliberate racist symbol. That's what it means and it's all that it means, period. It doesn't stand for a brave and noble lost cause. It's always stood for pure stupidity. It's always stood for a horrible war for a worthless "cause"-- slavery--because southern leaders didn't care about slaves and they didn't care about their own sons, they led them to horrible slaughter against the North.

People like PP defending that flag and all those in favor of it are just doubling and tripling down in delusional stupidity. These guys aren't simply racists--they're mentally disturbed people who latch onto a racist world view to provide focus to their pre-existing mental illness. It didn't even have to be racism either. If PP had happened to latch onto something else to obsessively focus on it could have been anything like John Lennon or Jodi Foster.

I'm a white Jewish girl who is also an antiques dealer. I believe history should be preserved; that we can learn so much from the past, that to destroy it or re-write it dooms us to repeat our mistakes. I feel re-writing and/or burying history, no matter how dark it might be, is a hallmark of insanity.

If you want a definition of insanity, political correctness is it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how any black person could feel welcome living in the state, doing business with the state, or getting justice in the state w the flag looming over the Capitol, never to be lowered in respect.
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What an idiotic statement given millions of blacks live there, and quite alright.

According to whom? Their Confederate neighbors?

Who's Tim Scott for $20...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see how any black person could feel welcome living in the state, doing business with the state, or getting justice in the state w the flag looming over the Capitol, never to be lowered in respect.
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What an idiotic statement given millions of blacks live there, and quite alright.

According to whom? Their Confederate neighbors?

Who's Tim Scott for $20...

An uncle tom who sucked up to white people by denouncing his black brothers and sisters and became a us senator.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

12.5 million were shipped from Africa, but only 10.7 million made it alive to the US. So there's 2 million right there. And then there's the fact that 10.5 million of them and generations of their children died in slavery, you moron.

There's something I don't understand. If live was so idyllic in Africa, and so horrible in the US, why didn't millions of freed AAs go back to Africa after the Civil War? And what about today, when travel is so easy, and when holding an American passport is the ultimate global privilege?

After all, given the Nazi analogy PP makes, that's precisely why Israel was created and why so many people moved there. What makes AAs just talk, and not walk the talk?

So, that's a polite way of saying that we did them a favor by enslaving them? Try that one out on your black friends, at work. Let me know how it goes.

No one did a favor to the actual slaves. But it is obvious that, through the accidents of history, most blacks living today would rather be in the US than in Africa. So, indeed, they should be quite grateful for the sacrifice made by their ancestors, and for the country they were born into.

Of course we would rather be in the US. We are American. What else do we know? They took our families, language and history. What exactly would we be going back to? In addition, the world has raped Africa of his culture and riches.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

12.5 million were shipped from Africa, but only 10.7 million made it alive to the US. So there's 2 million right there. And then there's the fact that 10.5 million of them and generations of their children died in slavery, you moron.

And didn't some of their fellow black men help capture and ship them over? Died in slavery? Do you mean starved to death? Or lived their lives in slavery?

And what about South America? Is South Carolina responsible for that as well? Careful now...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/18/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-slave-trade-caused-5-million-deaths/

And we wonder about racism. Wow. I cannot even believe you are going here. You are an ignorant moron and I feel sorry for your kids. PP, please read a book - if you can read that is.

I see, you don't like fact. Sorry about that.

You clearly don't know any facts. So in addition to actual slavery, once black people were here, did you count the millions killed through brutal environments and murder by white people. Did you count reconstruction and Jim Crow. Did you count those killed by the Klan? or by lynching? Did you count the laws that did not allow wealth to be passed or blacks' inability to learn to read.

Did you count all of that? You don't know your history - and that is a fact.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That poster who was defending the confederate flag seemed emotionally disturbed. Basically people like that are paranoid schizophrenia. That PP has probably spent YEARS "studying" his "subject" and coming up with facile responses to arguments he's heard hundreds of times. When guys like that PP get too far lost in their delusions, really bad things can happen. Fortunately most are just harmless cranks but not always. The bottom line is that flag is a deliberate racist symbol. That's what it means and it's all that it means, period. It doesn't stand for a brave and noble lost cause. It's always stood for pure stupidity. It's always stood for a horrible war for a worthless "cause"-- slavery--because southern leaders didn't care about slaves and they didn't care about their own sons, they led them to horrible slaughter against the North.

People like PP defending that flag and all those in favor of it are just doubling and tripling down in delusional stupidity. These guys aren't simply racists--they're mentally disturbed people who latch onto a racist world view to provide focus to their pre-existing mental illness. It didn't even have to be racism either. If PP had happened to latch onto something else to obsessively focus on it could have been anything like John Lennon or Jodi Foster.

I'm a white Jewish girl who is also an antiques dealer. I believe history should be preserved; that we can learn so much from the past, that to destroy it or re-write it dooms us to repeat our mistakes. I feel re-writing and/or burying history, no matter how dark it might be, is a hallmark of insanity.

If you want a definition of insanity, political correctness is it.

You are quite right about history. To help with the preservation of history, we have invented something called a "museum". In fact, in DC we have a great many museums and they are very popular with the public. A museum is a proper venue for an historical element such as the Confederate, not a state capital.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That poster who was defending the confederate flag seemed emotionally disturbed. Basically people like that are paranoid schizophrenia. That PP has probably spent YEARS "studying" his "subject" and coming up with facile responses to arguments he's heard hundreds of times. When guys like that PP get too far lost in their delusions, really bad things can happen. Fortunately most are just harmless cranks but not always. The bottom line is that flag is a deliberate racist symbol. That's what it means and it's all that it means, period. It doesn't stand for a brave and noble lost cause. It's always stood for pure stupidity. It's always stood for a horrible war for a worthless "cause"-- slavery--because southern leaders didn't care about slaves and they didn't care about their own sons, they led them to horrible slaughter against the North.

People like PP defending that flag and all those in favor of it are just doubling and tripling down in delusional stupidity. These guys aren't simply racists--they're mentally disturbed people who latch onto a racist world view to provide focus to their pre-existing mental illness. It didn't even have to be racism either. If PP had happened to latch onto something else to obsessively focus on it could have been anything like John Lennon or Jodi Foster.

I'm a white Jewish girl who is also an antiques dealer. I believe history should be preserved; that we can learn so much from the past, that to destroy it or re-write it dooms us to repeat our mistakes. I feel re-writing and/or burying history, no matter how dark it might be, is a hallmark of insanity.

If you want a definition of insanity, political correctness is it.

The history of the civil war is very interesting, it was spun from the getgo. The North didn't want to demonize the South, and the South didn't want to admit that they started a war over slavery. So it's been revised by everyone for 150 years, that's how people thought it would be okay to put the Confederate flag on the state House. From a neutral viewpoint, there's no way it would be acceptable to put the losing flat on a government building. Because of revisionist history, SC felt proud to raise a flag representing slavery and racism during the civil rights movement.

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Anonymous wrote:The flag has been located at a Confederate war memorial since 2000. Furthermore, it's not on a pulley. It's within view of the state house, not on the state house itself. It's on the northern end of the grounds.

The Confederate flag has a place at the Confederate war memorial - it's a piece of history.

If you want, you can totally re-write the public school history texts and completely eliminate it and the war. Me? I think it's more important for children to understand history.

This may be true, but I would then argue that the Confederate war memorial does not belong on the living, active State House Grounds in 2015.

Signed,

A native of Columbia, SC

I think that's ridiculous.

Would a Nazi War Memorial belong on the grounds of the Bundestag?

Show me the 6 million blacks killed.

So that's your criteria? A set number of people have to be killed by an institution, to make it evil? Columbia, SC native here again. The only way that state is ever going to move forward is for folks like you to recognize that the WAR IS OVER and was, 150 years ago. It has zero to do with ANYTHING going on in the state at this time. The State House is a vibrant (by Columbia standards, anyway) area in the heart of downtown, with living, breathing people going there every day to influence and debate issues that are truly relevant to 2015. To have this stupid memorial front and center there is absurd.

A lot of folks died fighting for the confederacy. It's part of our history. Erasing symbols of it allows it to disappear from people's minds. You want history repeated? Go ahead and bury it.

First of all, the folks who died fighting for the confederacy were total idiots. If we knew them today, they would be the reddest of the necks. There were a very few extremely wealthy slaveholders and thousands who did their bidding by giving their lives for this stupid "cause," which was nothing more than keeping the money in extremely upper class hands. (And I say this as the descendent of several who took up arms for the south.) Yes, it is all part of our history and I agree that it should not be buried. It should be studied, talked about in schools, etc as it currently is. It should not, however, be celebrated by being memorialized on the state house grounds.

The two lines in bold above shows your ignorance. You talk about studying it...please do because it shows you really haven't done so.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps the recent murders in the church in Charleston will be the turning point in SC changing their state flag.