Are you proud to be American?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Where did he say that? There are two parts to his letter - explanation and instructions on what we need to do. Yes, explanation doesn't mention islam, but then when he actually says what he wants from us, he explicitly states that he wants us to convert to islam. It doesn't really get any clearer than that.

Yet, you are willfully blind to that fact. You are the one who chose to ignore an important part of his letter. I am very well of the other part; in fact I bet that you never noticed this other little thing while I have been aware of your "they kill us here because we are over there" bullshit all along.

OK buddy, you can look at the sun and tell me it's midnight for as long as you like. Nothing is going to change the fact that, when discussing his reasons for attacking us, you omitted the entirety of his answer to that question and substituted something else.

As for your attempt to pretend this is about converting Christians, I will point out that he didn't attack South America, an almost entirely Christian continent. He didn't attack the Christian European countries uninvolved in the ME. He didn't attack the Christian African nations despite proximity.

Let's take a look at his attacks and see the common thread:

He bombed a hotel with US military troops in Yemen, he attacked the World Trade Center Twice (Ramzi Yousef's stated reason: "This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel, the state of terrorism, and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region"), attacked two US embassies in Africa, he launched a number of plots to blow up airliners, he blew up a US Warship (the Cole), he blew up two synagogues in Turkey and set off truck bombs in front of the British Consulate and the HSBC headquarters, September 11 attacks on WTC and the Pentagon, bombing of the London Underground, suicide bomb in Algiers, bombing of the Danish Embassy, shooting of the Little Rock recruiting office, NW Flight 253, and a whole bunch of attacks in Iraq.

So basically he has attacked almost entirely military, political and economic targets.

I apologize for speaking ill of your righteous hero, Bin Laden. Here is something for you, in case you missed it the first time (because from everything you said, you did miss it )


"(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it."

When you acknowledge this and explain it, then I might continue this discussion.

And I am not a "buddy" - I am a woman, an immigrant and an atheist.

Don't forget liar.

Lok I can do the same thing:

Mitt romney's answer to why he's running for president: "Corporations are people, my friend". He said a lot of other things too.

Mitt, what do you think of the American worker? "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me". He said a lot of other things too.

Mitt do you think we should kill bin laden? "It's not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.". Oh wait, that is actually the answer he gave.

So I guess that last one doesn't work. But the first two more than adequately illustrate how utterly deceitful your post is.

[Anonymous]

Some things make me proud -- like our acceptance and encouragement of innovation, individualism and our protection of free speech, freedom of religion.

But other things make me very sad, like our lack of concern for public health, the environment, lack of gun control, consumerism gone crazy, and our culture of little to no maternity leave and annual leave for workers. Our weak unions makes me sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some things make me proud -- like our acceptance and encouragement of innovation, individualism and our protection of free speech, freedom of religion. ...

As long as freedom of religion is does not mean the majority is free to turn public places into their own churches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:look, being #1 in a democracy sucks. you are the target. you have a bullseye on your back. that is why we are a target. why would anyone want to bomb the Finnish embassy??

Remind me again, why that makes this a pleasant place to live?
We're a target because we're arrogant fucks. The Finns never bothered anyone, whether or not they have the capacity to do so.

It's a pleasant place to live because we selfishly consume way too much of the world's resources so that we can live luxurious lives. We live like kings.

And can yall find another thread for the Bin Laden debate? Sheesh.