(AAP) All About Prepping?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There are two truths about prepping:
1) I helps on the test
2) it does not help outside of the test

It skews the results for everyone else, and results in other measures being factored in more strongly.

My DD did not prep, got good *but not great* scores, but got a great GBRS, and is doing fine. I do not have to remind her to do her school work, and only help her when asked.

I have met the tiger moms that are prepping there kids, always pushing them. The kids are not happy. Period.

Life is too short to worry about the score on a 3rd grade test.

Hard work and prepping helps for the specific task at hand and may not help for other non specific (outside) tasks (prepping for a physic test may not necessarily help you for Shakespeare if you did not read the plays).

Sure, hard work and preparation will unmask lesser efforts by the lazy. What's wrong with this, or do you prepare to hide behind a dark cloak of mediocrity?

I do not agree with you that hard work and preparation makes for unhappy children. On the contrary, in my personal educational life these traits have fueled confidence, success, expertise and more happiness. Therefore, I will prescribe the same for my children, patients and clients.

That.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Preparing for a subject test by studying notes and class materials is one kind of "prep."

1 Preparing for a standardized test by understanding the directions and working a few sample questions is another kind of "prep."

2 Preparing for a standardized test by doing hours and hours of old tests and learning the "tricks" of answering the questions is a third kind of "prep."

It is only the third kind that people object to because it doesn't seem to be the type of preparation the test makers expect the test takers to have had. The test then becomes a measurement of something it was not meant to measure and the results don't necessarily mean what they appear to mean.

If the test writers have to constantly change the test because people are preparing in ways the test writers consider inappropriate, it will cost the school districts more money to purchase the tests, which will end up costing us, the tax payers, more in the long run.

I did 1. Personally sorry for the kids have to do 2 for AAP, but not my kids. Parents probably know what they are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two truths about prepping:
1) I helps on the test
2) it does not help outside of the test

#2 is not a truth. Not at all. It may be indirect, but learning a solid work ethic and striving to do more than the minimum required are life lasting positive lessons. The peer pressure that comes from time spent with other Tiger cubs is much more positive than hanging out at the Mall. Being prepared for whatever is next is good....

Anonymous wrote:It skews the results for everyone else, and results in other measures being factored in more strongly.

I suppose it does add work ethic to the mix which favors those that have it but you have not sold me that is a bad thing. In fact, I think it's a good thing.

Anonymous wrote:My DD did not prep, got good *but not great* scores, but got a great GBRS, and is doing fine. I do not have to remind her to do her school work, and only help her when asked.

Great! You should be proud of your family. You've raised your child well. Now please let the rest of us raise our kids.

Anonymous wrote:I have met the tiger moms that are prepping there kids, always pushing them. The kids are not happy. Period.

Maybe, I don't know what kids you are refering to, but they are the exception. The vast majority of Tiger Cubs I've seen are very happy. Mine certainly are.

Anonymous wrote:Life is too short to worry about the score on a 3rd grade test.

Not Really. My kids future is my number one priority. Maybe I'll have to miss the next showing of American Idiot on TV but I'll make the time to help them maximize their potential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Sure, hard work and preparation will unmask lesser efforts by the lazy. What's wrong with this, or do you prepare to hide behind a dark cloak of mediocrity?

I do not agree with you that hard work and preparation makes for unhappy children. On the contrary, in my personal educational life these traits have fueled confidence, success, expertise and more happiness. Therefore, I will prescribe the same for my children, patients and clients.

Nothing wrong with that. I believe people enjoy what they do well. For some that's learning, for some that's watching TV or hanging out at the mall. I'll help my kids do well at learning, someone else can win the TV trivia games...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: My kids future is my number one priority. Maybe I'll have to miss the next showing of American Idiot on TV but I'll make the time to help them maximize their potential.

Not the person quoted, but just for the last one, my kids happiness throughout their life is one of the highest priority for me.
Not sure it's the same thing, but just saying.

[Anonymous]

I did 1. Personally sorry for the kids have to do 2 for AAP, but not my kids. Parents probably know what they are doing.

You get a gold star but don't waste your sorry on other kids who study and prepare hard (even if over preparation or unnecessary). These kids could care less who you are feeling sorry for. There are simply learning life's lessons and gaining and growing in conbfidence.

Therefore, continue to do what works for you (we are not sorry for your kids). Let others do what works for them (hold onto your sorrow. You may need it later).

[Anonymous]

When people are messing with the efficacy of the objective tests, there is nothing the county can do but rely more heavily on the subjective measures.

Since when does reading, writing, and mathematics mess with the "efficiency" (?) of the "objective" (?) tests. Goobly gook indeed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New acronym for AAP seeing how many low NNAT's followed by significantly higher CoGat's have been accepted this year. Not to rain on anyone's parade or dampen anyone's proud moment. Just advice for anyone who wants their child in the program next year - prep a little and get a WISC if needed. Also, stop calling it GT - few of our kids in this program (including DC) are truly gifted. I feel bad that those bright kids who aren't prepped or whose parents don't persevere don't get the same academic opportunities.

This is truth, anyway. It's just a different kind of tracking -- it's not gifted education, and the kids by and large aren't really gifted.

But, it matters one whole hell of a lot to status-conscious parents.

Isn't something like 70 percent of FFX kids in pool now?

this is a gross exaggeration

There are approximately 13,000 2nd graders in FCPS and approximately 2500 were in the pool. That is about 20%.
It has been said in years past that an estimated 60-70% of those kids are found eligible.

I'm curious what percentage of the English speaking kids get into AAP.

How many ESOL students are there in the 13,000?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New acronym for AAP seeing how many low NNAT's followed by significantly higher CoGat's have been accepted this year. Not to rain on anyone's parade or dampen anyone's proud moment. Just advice for anyone who wants their child in the program next year - prep a little and get a WISC if needed. Also, stop calling it GT - few of our kids in this program (including DC) are truly gifted. I feel bad that those bright kids who aren't prepped or whose parents don't persevere don't get the same academic opportunities.

This is truth, anyway. It's just a different kind of tracking -- it's not gifted education, and the kids by and large aren't really gifted.

But, it matters one whole hell of a lot to status-conscious parents.

Isn't something like 70 percent of FFX kids in pool now?

this is a gross exaggeration

There are approximately 13,000 2nd graders in FCPS and approximately 2500 were in the pool. That is about 20%.
It has been said in years past that an estimated 60-70% of those kids are found eligible.

I'm curious what percentage of the English speaking kids get into AAP.

How many ESOL students are there in the 13,000?

Your question doesn't make sense. Don't they all speak English? Although maybe some as a second language. Can you try again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New acronym for AAP seeing how many low NNAT's followed by significantly higher CoGat's have been accepted this year. Not to rain on anyone's parade or dampen anyone's proud moment. Just advice for anyone who wants their child in the program next year - prep a little and get a WISC if needed. Also, stop calling it GT - few of our kids in this program (including DC) are truly gifted. I feel bad that those bright kids who aren't prepped or whose parents don't persevere don't get the same academic opportunities.

This is truth, anyway. It's just a different kind of tracking -- it's not gifted education, and the kids by and large aren't really gifted.

But, it matters one whole hell of a lot to status-conscious parents.

Isn't something like 70 percent of FFX kids in pool now?

this is a gross exaggeration

There are approximately 13,000 2nd graders in FCPS and approximately 2500 were in the pool. That is about 20%.
It has been said in years past that an estimated 60-70% of those kids are found eligible.

I'm curious what percentage of the English speaking kids get into AAP.

How many ESOL students are there in the 13,000?

Your question doesn't make sense. Don't they all speak English? Although maybe some as a second language. Can you try again?

Fine, I'll reword for you. How many ESOL students are there in the population of 13,000? I'm interested in the percentage of non-ESOL students who are in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Why are you parents keeping with one another?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are you parents keeping with one another?

Huh?

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't bother asking the esol question as I know multiple kids in aap who are coded as esol but really aren't esol in the traditional sense of what esol is. If parents mark on kindergarten Forms that another language is spoken in the home, they are coded as esol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't bother asking the esol question as I know multiple kids in aap who are coded as esol but really aren't esol in the traditional sense of what esol is. If parents mark on kindergarten Forms that another language is spoken in the home, they are coded as esol.

Translation: Tons of Asian tiger cubs are getting to check the ESOL box?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't bother asking the esol question as I know multiple kids in aap who are coded as esol but really aren't esol in the traditional sense of what esol is. If parents mark on kindergarten Forms that another language is spoken in the home, they are coded as esol.

Translation: Tons of Asian tiger cubs are getting to check the ESOL box?

I'm Asian and spoke a second language at home. I was never in ESOL and did not check off the ESOL box.