Game is rigged

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand what you mean by rigged. An example from our private school on someone admitted to a non-HYP ivy.

Top 10% of class
One of 5 students offered 2 APs as a Freshman, based on entrance exam (Bio & Geo)
11 Total APs 4s and 5s on all of them (Calc/Stats/Bio/Chem/Phys)
1450 SAT (recruited athlete, so stopped taking the test)
3.8UW (school is known as a harsh grading school)
Top 10 nationally in their event at Track and Field.
State Champion F&F. County Record Holder T&F
School Rock Band
Chess Club
Beloved by Faculty, fellow students and the administration/College Guidance office.

Also, 3rd Generation Legacy

Is it rigged because this kid got in? Eventhough their SAT is below your kid's.

A lot of legacy kids are like this. Another kid from school at HYP...similar stats. Double Legacy. Lacrosse all-state. Top Math student in HS. 1430 SAT; 4.0UW.

Where does your kid compete with these kids?[/quote

Seriously? An unhooked kid with those SAT’s would never be accepted to an Ivy. And 1430 at HYP?? You are proving OP’s point.

What is "unhooked"? Some random kid with a 1580 who sits in her dorm all day doing advanced math, but doesn't contribute socially to the school? Have you ever considered that social and athletic kids are the "unhooked" kids? They are more likely to be succesful in life, they have better value to the institution. Jody Foster did a lot for Yale. Eric Robinson, who just won the stanley cup, did a lot for Princeton (the school was mentioned probably 20 times on national TV during the playoffs).


And the math robots are the "hooked" kids? Who is talking about them? Some manager at Google?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

If you look at the most recent cds (after going back to test required) it’s very few kids and most are likely hooked in some
way. The 25 percentile for SAT is 1510.

25% isn't a lot?

I always thought it was a lot - even if you say all the athletes and FGLI kids are in that 25% (which I don't agree with. There are plenty of athletes and FGLI kids who have higher scores than the bottom 25%)

[Anonymous]

Totally agree with OP. Legacy has always been a thumb on the scale. Big money donation even more so. This has been true forever sadly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

If you look at the most recent cds (after going back to test required) it’s very few kids and most are likely hooked in some
way. The 25 percentile for SAT is 1510.

25% isn't a lot?

I always thought it was a lot - even if you say all the athletes and FGLI kids are in that 25% (which I don't agree with. There are plenty of athletes and FGLI kids who have higher scores than the bottom 25%)

Most of the kids in the bottom 25 percent probably are in the 1480 to 1510 range. Much ado about nothing.

Worth adding, however, that I know personally several recruited athletes that were very good students that were told they just needed SAT scores in the 1300 range for H/Y/P. They just took the test without tutoring to hit the minimum. If they were going through the regular process, they would have prepped and scored higher.

If you want to complain about rigged, perhaps start with the schools that take close to half the class test optional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

you have no idea who or what or how many are in what buckets.

you are assuming the 25 to 75 is an even distribution. it may not be.

you are just making up stuff.

if not, show the data

If you look at the most recent cds (after going back to test required) it’s very few kids and most are likely hooked in some
way. The 25 percentile for SAT is 1510.

25% isn't a lot?

I always thought it was a lot - even if you say all the athletes and FGLI kids are in that 25% (which I don't agree with. There are plenty of athletes and FGLI kids who have higher scores than the bottom 25%)

Most of the kids in the bottom 25 percent probably are in the 1480 to 1510 range. Much ado about nothing.

Worth adding, however, that I know personally several recruited athletes that were very good students that were told they just needed SAT scores in the 1300 range for H/Y/P. They just took the test without tutoring to hit the minimum. If they were going through the regular process, they would have prepped and scored higher.

If you want to complain about rigged, perhaps start with the schools that take close to half the class test optional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is applying to a single digit selective college.
In her school there are two boys who are also applying, both from very wealthy families. One is legacy and heavily donates, another donates seven digit donations.

My kid has no chance.

So?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

Yes. What schools at this level are looking for are students that are likely to be prominent in the years ahead. HYPS could fill their classes ten times over with perfect GPAs and test scores. But they don't. Harvard will take mediocre students like Jared Kushner - to use as an example - over a valedictorian every single day of the week. Someone like 18 year old Jared Kushner had the wealth and connections to become significant. His father donated even $2.5 million to Harvard to make it happen. And now here we are - 2003 Harvard grad Jared Kushner is running American foreign policy. Noah and Charlotte, who are the best students in the history of Des Moines, have no chance against Manhattan wealth and all the privileges that come with it.

But I think that's just HYPS. The rest of the top 20 would be very happy to hear from Noah and Charlotte.

What would be the trajectory for this country?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

Yes. What schools at this level are looking for are students that are likely to be prominent in the years ahead. HYPS could fill their classes ten times over with perfect GPAs and test scores. But they don't. Harvard will take mediocre students like Jared Kushner - to use as an example - over a valedictorian every single day of the week. Someone like 18 year old Jared Kushner had the wealth and connections to become significant. His father donated even $2.5 million to Harvard to make it happen. And now here we are - 2003 Harvard grad Jared Kushner is running American foreign policy. Noah and Charlotte, who are the best students in the history of Des Moines, have no chance against Manhattan wealth and all the privileges that come with it.

But I think that's just HYPS. The rest of the top 20 would be very happy to hear from Noah and Charlotte.

What would be the trajectory for this country?

Well, I think we should recognize that the US is an oligarchy. And Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford perpetuate that with all their hooked students who did nothing but be born in the right family. But the good news is that the US has tons of great colleges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

Yes. What schools at this level are looking for are students that are likely to be prominent in the years ahead. HYPS could fill their classes ten times over with perfect GPAs and test scores. But they don't. Harvard will take mediocre students like Jared Kushner - to use as an example - over a valedictorian every single day of the week. Someone like 18 year old Jared Kushner had the wealth and connections to become significant. His father donated even $2.5 million to Harvard to make it happen. And now here we are - 2003 Harvard grad Jared Kushner is running American foreign policy. Noah and Charlotte, who are the best students in the history of Des Moines, have no chance against Manhattan wealth and all the privileges that come with it.

But I think that's just HYPS. The rest of the top 20 would be very happy to hear from Noah and Charlotte.

What would be the trajectory for this country?

Jared Kushner was admitted to Harvard several decades ago. Certainly tells us little about college admissions today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

Yes. What schools at this level are looking for are students that are likely to be prominent in the years ahead. HYPS could fill their classes ten times over with perfect GPAs and test scores. But they don't. Harvard will take mediocre students like Jared Kushner - to use as an example - over a valedictorian every single day of the week. Someone like 18 year old Jared Kushner had the wealth and connections to become significant. His father donated even $2.5 million to Harvard to make it happen. And now here we are - 2003 Harvard grad Jared Kushner is running American foreign policy. Noah and Charlotte, who are the best students in the history of Des Moines, have no chance against Manhattan wealth and all the privileges that come with it.

But I think that's just HYPS. The rest of the top 20 would be very happy to hear from Noah and Charlotte.

What would be the trajectory for this country?

Well, I think we should recognize that the US is an oligarchy. And Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford perpetuate that with all their hooked students who did nothing but be born in the right family. But the good news is that the US has tons of great colleges.

Its so funny that you think this because its so fact free. The percent of the class that is legacies at H/Y/P/S is at an all time low. The percentage of kids who are receiving financial aid of some sort, and the percentage of kids receiving full rides are at all time highs.

The preference for full pay kids is actually more pronounced, often significantly more pronounced, outside of the Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Moral Hazard. When majority of the people are indifferent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its not rigging if OP does it.

I’m not rich so no donations.

You’re not rich, but your child goes to private school?

What’s the threshold to qualify as rich in your mind?

Middle class kids go to private schools, they also have scholarships for low income students.

What is your threshold for middle class?

for private school about 500 HHI

Being in the middle HHI range at a private school doesn't make you "middle class."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

Yes. What schools at this level are looking for are students that are likely to be prominent in the years ahead. HYPS could fill their classes ten times over with perfect GPAs and test scores. But they don't. Harvard will take mediocre students like Jared Kushner - to use as an example - over a valedictorian every single day of the week. Someone like 18 year old Jared Kushner had the wealth and connections to become significant. His father donated even $2.5 million to Harvard to make it happen. And now here we are - 2003 Harvard grad Jared Kushner is running American foreign policy. Noah and Charlotte, who are the best students in the history of Des Moines, have no chance against Manhattan wealth and all the privileges that come with it.

But I think that's just HYPS. The rest of the top 20 would be very happy to hear from Noah and Charlotte.

What would be the trajectory for this country?

Well, I think we should recognize that the US is an oligarchy. And Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford perpetuate that with all their hooked students who did nothing but be born in the right family. But the good news is that the US has tons of great colleges.

Stop perpetuating this MYTH. Thinking this may somehow assuage some rejection - either your own or your kid's - but sadly it's not the reason. There are just too many qualified kids and too few spots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD is applying to a single digit selective college.
In her school there are two boys who are also applying, both from very wealthy families. One is legacy and heavily donates, another donates seven digit donations.

My kid has no chance.

Are you in a private school? If so, you are a part of the rigging too.

Exactly. Talk about an utter lack of self-awareness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone would be surprised by the number of kids with 1400 SATS admitted to the HYPSs, even kids who are not hooked in any way but just overall extraordinary applicants.

Yes. What schools at this level are looking for are students that are likely to be prominent in the years ahead. HYPS could fill their classes ten times over with perfect GPAs and test scores. But they don't. Harvard will take mediocre students like Jared Kushner - to use as an example - over a valedictorian every single day of the week. Someone like 18 year old Jared Kushner had the wealth and connections to become significant. His father donated even $2.5 million to Harvard to make it happen. And now here we are - 2003 Harvard grad Jared Kushner is running American foreign policy. Noah and Charlotte, who are the best students in the history of Des Moines, have no chance against Manhattan wealth and all the privileges that come with it.

But I think that's just HYPS. The rest of the top 20 would be very happy to hear from Noah and Charlotte.

What would be the trajectory for this country?

Well, I think we should recognize that the US is an oligarchy. And Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford perpetuate that with all their hooked students who did nothing but be born in the right family. But the good news is that the US has tons of great colleges.

Its so funny that you think this because its so fact free. The percent of the class that is legacies at H/Y/P/S is at an all time low. The percentage of kids who are receiving financial aid of some sort, and the percentage of kids receiving full rides are at all time highs.

The preference for full pay kids is actually more pronounced, often significantly more pronounced, outside of the Ivies.

School, especially the top ones, are more economically heterogeneous now than they ever have been.

I feel like only an ignorant teenager with a chip on their shoulder wouldn't know this. Also, something about the word 'oligarch' screams APUSH to me.