Bethesda Today gives Josh Starr several quotes while downplaying MCEA, MCCPTA and petitions with 100s of signatures

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IB is impossible if you want ap classes and other electives.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

The only IB program with "low outcomes" is Kennedy. Not sure what you're talking about.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IMO the "low outcomes" in IB programs are a symptom of a much larger issue and until you address the larger issue of poor math instruction across MCPS and particularly in ES and MS the IB programs won't improve.

One has nothing to do with the other. Many higher level math kids want ap math, not IB. IB is great for humanities kids, but you cannot go from IB to MVC easily.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

The only IB program with "low outcomes" is Kennedy. Not sure what you're talking about.

No, other IB schools have low graduation rates.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

The only IB program with "low outcomes" is Kennedy. Not sure what you're talking about.

No, other IB schools have low graduation rates.

No, they don’t

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IMO the "low outcomes" in IB programs are a symptom of a much larger issue and until you address the larger issue of poor math instruction across MCPS and particularly in ES and MS the IB programs won't improve.

One has nothing to do with the other. Many higher level math kids want ap math, not IB. IB is great for humanities kids, but you cannot go from IB to MVC easily.

Oh hi MVC poster
Of course the quality of math instruction in ES and MS has an impact on IB math scores later on.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

The only IB program with "low outcomes" is Kennedy. Not sure what you're talking about.

No, other IB schools have low graduation rates.

No, they don’t

Yes, they do. Look at the actual graduation rates.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IMO the "low outcomes" in IB programs are a symptom of a much larger issue and until you address the larger issue of poor math instruction across MCPS and particularly in ES and MS the IB programs won't improve.

One has nothing to do with the other. Many higher level math kids want ap math, not IB. IB is great for humanities kids, but you cannot go from IB to MVC easily.

Oh hi MVC poster
Of course the quality of math instruction in ES and MS has an impact on IB math scores later on.

The quality of the math curriculum and teaching in es and ms aren’t the reason why kids aren’t wanting IB or graduating with IB degrees. It impacts all future math which is why many of us supplement in elementary school at home ourselves, with tutors or outside classes. Our strong math kids are strong in math because of what’s done outside school.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IMO the "low outcomes" in IB programs are a symptom of a much larger issue and until you address the larger issue of poor math instruction across MCPS and particularly in ES and MS the IB programs won't improve.

One has nothing to do with the other. Many higher level math kids want ap math, not IB. IB is great for humanities kids, but you cannot go from IB to MVC easily.

Oh hi MVC poster
Of course the quality of math instruction in ES and MS has an impact on IB math scores later on.

The quality of the math curriculum and teaching in es and ms aren’t the reason why kids aren’t wanting IB or graduating with IB degrees. It impacts all future math which is why many of us supplement in elementary school at home ourselves, with tutors or outside classes. Our strong math kids are strong in math because of what’s done outside school.

Look I know you hate IB but we're talking about the scores for kids that did take IB math exams and why they are low.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IMO the "low outcomes" in IB programs are a symptom of a much larger issue and until you address the larger issue of poor math instruction across MCPS and particularly in ES and MS the IB programs won't improve.

One has nothing to do with the other. Many higher level math kids want ap math, not IB. IB is great for humanities kids, but you cannot go from IB to MVC easily.

Oh hi MVC poster
Of course the quality of math instruction in ES and MS has an impact on IB math scores later on.

The quality of the math curriculum and teaching in es and ms aren’t the reason why kids aren’t wanting IB or graduating with IB degrees. It impacts all future math which is why many of us supplement in elementary school at home ourselves, with tutors or outside classes. Our strong math kids are strong in math because of what’s done outside school.

Look I know you hate IB but we're talking about the scores for kids that did take IB math exams and why they are low.

The graduation rates are more important. By your logic we should get rid of all the IB courses? If you plan on having kids in Mcps, you need to supplement. They don’t even teach basics like math facts.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

The only IB program with "low outcomes" is Kennedy. Not sure what you're talking about.

No, other IB schools have low graduation rates.

No, they don’t

Yes, they do. Look at the actual graduation rates.

It's because I looked at the IB passing rate that I know.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

The only IB program with "low outcomes" is Kennedy. Not sure what you're talking about.

No, other IB schools have low graduation rates.

No, they don’t

Yes, they do. Look at the actual graduation rates.

It's because I looked at the IB passing rate that I know.

Look at the usage by graduation rates.

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the IB passing rate is not the same thing as a graduation rate

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The graduation rate for IB is important as that’s the point of it.

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The graduation rate for IB is important as that’s the point of it.

You mean whether the kids earned the IB diploma? Earned a high school diploma? Passed their IB exams?