Bethesda Today gives Josh Starr several quotes while downplaying MCEA, MCCPTA and petitions with 100s of signatures

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Anonymous wrote:They tried putting high profile programs in low income schools. How are those IB programs going at Watkins Mill and Kennedy?

I thought the Watkins Mill IB program was considered pretty successful? I know the one at Kennedy is not good and is generally avoided but that doesn't make all of them bad

Not sure I'd consider Watkins Mill successful.... https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DHXL5Z54F2FC/$file/MCPS%20IB%20Program%20Statistics.pdf

And yes, it's still a new program. But MCPS also hasn't done any analysis to determine what is working and what isn't.

Doesn't look that bad to me given nearly all the students receive farms

That's fair, but if you're a region 5 parent with a high achieving child, are you sending them to an IB program where only 17% of students are passing the IB math exam?

And MCPS has no plans in place to improve those math outcomes. Somehow, dispersing RMIB students to attend their home schools or a new regional school program is supposed to somehow improve outcomes at lower performing regional IB programs.

Region 5 currently sends about 10 kids a year to RMIB. Even if they all go to Watkins Mill instead, it's not changing outcomes.

I do not think the goal of this regional model is for rich kids to go to poor schools and lift them up or whatever. They certainly haven't designed it to do that.

The goal is to do changes for the sake of changes to say they did something. The theory is that they can pull the smarter kids out of the poorer schools and brag about that while ignoing that plan also creates a greater divide and sets up more schools to decline.

It seems to me the Black and Brown coalition/administration wants to cut off the usual pipelines to Blair and whatever other programs they have been jealous of.

They did a good job of sinking Blair's magnet. Looking at its enrollment in 2023-24, the program had 440 students from across the country. Only 105 of those students come from the 5 high schools in Blair's new region one. I think that is a good forecast for future years. Unfortunately, the program needs at least 300 students to sustain the curriculum offerings.

Plus, it looks like MCPS is going to peel off Wootton at Crown to be in region 5, instead of region 4, where Churchill will be located. Wootton and Churchill area students are highly represented in Blair's current magnet cohort, so they could form a rigorous STEM program, but not if Wootton and Churchill are not in the same region.

They can easily fill it but do the kids want to go there? Why do W kids need to go to a school their parents slam and wouldn’t live near except for the magnet.

Because there is no longer access to Churchill and Wootton area students, Blair will not have access to the same number of highly able students. They can enroll other students, but these students will not have the same readiness for the rigorous courses, so the quality of the education will be lower. It becomes just another STEM program.

Huh??
Do you know that before they made the changes to the magnets, i.e. no CogAt, just MAP scores, most of the admittance were from the DCC and Wootton. Churchill and WJ benefitted the most from the changes. There used to be threads here complaining about how the magnet committee discriminate against the W schools because there were so few admittance from the W schools, except for Wootton.

Does Churchill count as a W school, as in Winston Churchill? Yes, I believe that it does. Lots of Churchill-area students attend the Blair magnet. I would love for there to be a large cohort of students as highly able as the students admitted to the current magnet program that live in what will be region one. I don't want this program to collapse. The program needs 75 students per grade to survive. That is a total of 300 students, down from the 440 currently enrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:They tried putting high profile programs in low income schools. How are those IB programs going at Watkins Mill and Kennedy?

I thought the Watkins Mill IB program was considered pretty successful? I know the one at Kennedy is not good and is generally avoided but that doesn't make all of them bad

Not sure I'd consider Watkins Mill successful.... https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DHXL5Z54F2FC/$file/MCPS%20IB%20Program%20Statistics.pdf

And yes, it's still a new program. But MCPS also hasn't done any analysis to determine what is working and what isn't.

Doesn't look that bad to me given nearly all the students receive farms

That's fair, but if you're a region 5 parent with a high achieving child, are you sending them to an IB program where only 17% of students are passing the IB math exam?

And MCPS has no plans in place to improve those math outcomes. Somehow, dispersing RMIB students to attend their home schools or a new regional school program is supposed to somehow improve outcomes at lower performing regional IB programs.

Region 5 currently sends about 10 kids a year to RMIB. Even if they all go to Watkins Mill instead, it's not changing outcomes.

I do not think the goal of this regional model is for rich kids to go to poor schools and lift them up or whatever. They certainly haven't designed it to do that.

The goal is to do changes for the sake of changes to say they did something. The theory is that they can pull the smarter kids out of the poorer schools and brag about that while ignoing that plan also creates a greater divide and sets up more schools to decline.

It seems to me the Black and Brown coalition/administration wants to cut off the usual pipelines to Blair and whatever other programs they have been jealous of.

They did a good job of sinking Blair's magnet. Looking at its enrollment in 2023-24, the program had 440 students from across the country. Only 105 of those students come from the 5 high schools in Blair's new region one. I think that is a good forecast for future years. Unfortunately, the program needs at least 300 students to sustain the curriculum offerings.

Plus, it looks like MCPS is going to peel off Wootton at Crown to be in region 5, instead of region 4, where Churchill will be located. Wootton and Churchill area students are highly represented in Blair's current magnet cohort, so they could form a rigorous STEM program, but not if Wootton and Churchill are not in the same region.

They can easily fill it but do the kids want to go there? Why do W kids need to go to a school their parents slam and wouldn’t live near except for the magnet.

Because there is no longer access to Churchill and Wootton area students, Blair will not have access to the same number of highly able students. They can enroll other students, but these students will not have the same readiness for the rigorous courses, so the quality of the education will be lower. It becomes just another STEM program.

Huh??
Do you know that before they made the changes to the magnets, i.e. no CogAt, just MAP scores, most of the admittance were from the DCC and Wootton. Churchill and WJ benefitted the most from the changes. There used to be threads here complaining about how the magnet committee discriminate against the W schools because there were so few admittance from the W schools, except for Wootton.

Does Churchill count as a W school, as in Winston Churchill? Yes, I believe that it does. Lots of Churchill-area students attend the Blair magnet. I would love for there to be a large cohort of students as highly able as the students admitted to the current magnet program that live in what will be region one. I don't want this program to collapse. The program needs 75 students per grade to survive. That is a total of 300 students, down from the 440 currently enrolled.

Your reading comprehension needs improvement

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Anonymous wrote:They tried putting high profile programs in low income schools. How are those IB programs going at Watkins Mill and Kennedy?

I thought the Watkins Mill IB program was considered pretty successful? I know the one at Kennedy is not good and is generally avoided but that doesn't make all of them bad

Not sure I'd consider Watkins Mill successful.... https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DHXL5Z54F2FC/$file/MCPS%20IB%20Program%20Statistics.pdf

And yes, it's still a new program. But MCPS also hasn't done any analysis to determine what is working and what isn't.

Doesn't look that bad to me given nearly all the students receive farms

That's fair, but if you're a region 5 parent with a high achieving child, are you sending them to an IB program where only 17% of students are passing the IB math exam?

Only 40% of MCPS seniors graduate proficient in math. This is the school system we all send our kids to. Those with education/resources see when our kids are failing and help our kids either ourselves or hire tutors.

Wrong

That is what the MD school report card says. You can say it's wrong all you want, doesn't change the reality.

You might want the MD school report again.
Slowly this time

Feel free to cite the "correct" number and where you got it from. Mine comes directly from the district wide report card for MCPS in the second to last table https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2025

Let me help you out.
Do you know which math assessment (MCAP) some kids take in HS? Which kids take that class in HS? Are they graduating seniors, as claimed ?

The data in the report card is for graduating seniors. If they weren't proficient when they took the MCAP, why do you assume they became proficient before they graduated?

The math assessment given in HS is algebra 1. The vast majority of MCPS students take it in 8th grade. The ones who take it in HS (usually 9th grade) and take the MCAP are the ones below level grade.
Clearly you are clueless and have no kids in MCPS.

You have to be in accelerated math for at least a few grades (4th and 5th, 6th and 7th, or both) to get to Algebra 1 in middle school. Kids who are on-level or below level take Algebra 1 in 9th. It's nuts to assert that the "vast majority" of MCPS kids are above grade level in math-- I'm sure that's true at some schools, including presumably yours, but at most schools only a minority of kids are advanced.

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Anonymous wrote:They tried putting high profile programs in low income schools. How are those IB programs going at Watkins Mill and Kennedy?

I thought the Watkins Mill IB program was considered pretty successful? I know the one at Kennedy is not good and is generally avoided but that doesn't make all of them bad

Not sure I'd consider Watkins Mill successful.... https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DHXL5Z54F2FC/$file/MCPS%20IB%20Program%20Statistics.pdf

And yes, it's still a new program. But MCPS also hasn't done any analysis to determine what is working and what isn't.

Doesn't look that bad to me given nearly all the students receive farms

That's fair, but if you're a region 5 parent with a high achieving child, are you sending them to an IB program where only 17% of students are passing the IB math exam?

And MCPS has no plans in place to improve those math outcomes. Somehow, dispersing RMIB students to attend their home schools or a new regional school program is supposed to somehow improve outcomes at lower performing regional IB programs.

Region 5 currently sends about 10 kids a year to RMIB. Even if they all go to Watkins Mill instead, it's not changing outcomes.

I do not think the goal of this regional model is for rich kids to go to poor schools and lift them up or whatever. They certainly haven't designed it to do that.

The goal is to do changes for the sake of changes to say they did something. The theory is that they can pull the smarter kids out of the poorer schools and brag about that while ignoing that plan also creates a greater divide and sets up more schools to decline.

It seems to me the Black and Brown coalition/administration wants to cut off the usual pipelines to Blair and whatever other programs they have been jealous of.

They did a good job of sinking Blair's magnet. Looking at its enrollment in 2023-24, the program had 440 students from across the country. Only 105 of those students come from the 5 high schools in Blair's new region one. I think that is a good forecast for future years. Unfortunately, the program needs at least 300 students to sustain the curriculum offerings.

Plus, it looks like MCPS is going to peel off Wootton at Crown to be in region 5, instead of region 4, where Churchill will be located. Wootton and Churchill area students are highly represented in Blair's current magnet cohort, so they could form a rigorous STEM program, but not if Wootton and Churchill are not in the same region.

They can easily fill it but do the kids want to go there? Why do W kids need to go to a school their parents slam and wouldn’t live near except for the magnet.

Because there is no longer access to Churchill and Wootton area students, Blair will not have access to the same number of highly able students. They can enroll other students, but these students will not have the same readiness for the rigorous courses, so the quality of the education will be lower. It becomes just another STEM program.

Huh??
Do you know that before they made the changes to the magnets, i.e. no CogAt, just MAP scores, most of the admittance were from the DCC and Wootton. Churchill and WJ benefitted the most from the changes. There used to be threads here complaining about how the magnet committee discriminate against the W schools because there were so few admittance from the W schools, except for Wootton.

Does Churchill count as a W school, as in Winston Churchill? Yes, I believe that it does. Lots of Churchill-area students attend the Blair magnet. I would love for there to be a large cohort of students as highly able as the students admitted to the current magnet program that live in what will be region one. I don't want this program to collapse. The program needs 75 students per grade to survive. That is a total of 300 students, down from the 440 currently enrolled.

There are enough kids to fill it, but do they want to go? Mine didn’t.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

Do you realize some kids immigrated here in middle or hs with no formal education and don’t speak English? Do you not get the spectrum of special needs and issues? Clearly not.

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Anonymous wrote:They tried putting high profile programs in low income schools. How are those IB programs going at Watkins Mill and Kennedy?

I thought the Watkins Mill IB program was considered pretty successful? I know the one at Kennedy is not good and is generally avoided but that doesn't make all of them bad

Not sure I'd consider Watkins Mill successful.... https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DHXL5Z54F2FC/$file/MCPS%20IB%20Program%20Statistics.pdf

And yes, it's still a new program. But MCPS also hasn't done any analysis to determine what is working and what isn't.

Doesn't look that bad to me given nearly all the students receive farms

That's fair, but if you're a region 5 parent with a high achieving child, are you sending them to an IB program where only 17% of students are passing the IB math exam?

Only 40% of MCPS seniors graduate proficient in math. This is the school system we all send our kids to. Those with education/resources see when our kids are failing and help our kids either ourselves or hire tutors.

Wrong

That is what the MD school report card says. You can say it's wrong all you want, doesn't change the reality.

You might want the MD school report again.
Slowly this time

Feel free to cite the "correct" number and where you got it from. Mine comes directly from the district wide report card for MCPS in the second to last table https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2025

Let me help you out.
Do you know which math assessment (MCAP) some kids take in HS? Which kids take that class in HS? Are they graduating seniors, as claimed ?

The data in the report card is for graduating seniors. If they weren't proficient when they took the MCAP, why do you assume they became proficient before they graduated?

The math assessment given in HS is algebra 1. The vast majority of MCPS students take it in 8th grade. The ones who take it in HS (usually 9th grade) and take the MCAP are the ones below level grade.
Clearly you are clueless and have no kids in MCPS.

You have to be in accelerated math for at least a few grades (4th and 5th, 6th and 7th, or both) to get to Algebra 1 in middle school. Kids who are on-level or below level take Algebra 1 in 9th. It's nuts to assert that the "vast majority" of MCPS kids are above grade level in math-- I'm sure that's true at some schools, including presumably yours, but at most schools only a minority of kids are advanced.

No, kids who are on-level take Algebra 1 in 8th grade in MCPS. That's the standard in MCPS.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

Do you realize some kids immigrated here in middle or hs with no formal education and don’t speak English? Do you not get the spectrum of special needs and issues? Clearly not.

Are you asserting that kids with no formal education before HS and don't speak English comprise the 3/4 of people enrolling in Montgomery College who need to take remedial math? Gmafb

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Most kids going to Harvard are not taking IB math. Kids who take algebra in 6-8 will forget it over time. That’s a refresher class.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Yep, and there is no plan to address low outcomes in these IB programs.

IMO the "low outcomes" in IB programs are a symptom of a much larger issue and until you address the larger issue of poor math instruction across MCPS and particularly in ES and MS the IB programs won't improve.

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Most students at Montgomery College are required to complete one or more developmental courses before they can enroll in college-level courses required for a degree. In 2011, 73 percent of all students new to the college required remediation in math and 29 to 35 percent required remediation in English or reading. Across subject areas, remediation rates were higher for recent high school graduates than for older ones and among Black and Latino students compared to White and Asian students.

Yes, this is old data. No, there is literally no reason to believe this has gotten any better, and many reasons to believe it has gotten worse.

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=12275&Dept=1#:~:text=Most%20students%20at%20Montgomery%20College,to%20White%20and%20Asian%20students.

Y'all not too bright

You don't care that in 2011 three quarters of students at Montgomery College had to take remedial math? Why? Is it because you are so above community college? Or because you practice magical thinking and think math proficiency has increased since then?

Usually students go to MC as they cannot afford college or are not ready. That's not surprising at all. MC is not a good data source.

About 1 in 5 MCPS students enroll in Montgomery College. These are high school graduates. Why is MCPS graduating kids who can't pass a basic math exam?

Most are low income or special needs.

This is a terrible and offensive excuse for granting high school diplomas to college bound kids who aren't ready for college.

Mc has trade programs. Not everyone can handle a four year college. Get out of your bubble.

They should be able to handle basic math if they have a high school degree. Tradespeople need to be able to do math maybe even more than other professions

Be thankful you don't have a special needs kid as you clearly have no clue about anything outside of your bubble.

I have a special needs kid you dufus. My kid deserves an education and to be able to meet standards.

Grown ups don't name call and there are lots of different special needs with different educational impacts. Not all kids can meet the standard, sadly.

We're talking about kids earned high school diplomas and enrolled in college. They shouldn't have to take remedial math in college if they earned a high school diploma. You can't blame the kids for being too poor or having special needs. That's disgusting.

What the hell are you talking about. Even at Harvard, there are lots of kids taking remedial math classes.

I don't think Harvard's remedial math equates to MC's remedial math, but you be the judge: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/9/3/new-math-intro-course/

Same. It's still remedial

I'm the first PP above. I'm not following. Is this supposed to mean K-12 math education is on the right track? Seems to me that our schools are not effectively preparing many kids for college. And we're all sending our kids to these schools. Not surprising to see low IB math scores in most MCPS IB programs except the most selective one.

Most kids going to Harvard are not taking IB math. Kids who take algebra in 6-8 will forget it over time. That’s a refresher class.

To earn a high school diploma you need to take math classes in high school. Typically these classes require an understanding of algebra. If a student has forgotten it all by college something went very wrong in HS.