Where is the fat in private schools?

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Definitely admin and all the carrying costs (health care, insurances) that come with their employment. The notion that it's financial aid students is silly.
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Anonymous wrote:Definitely admin and all the carrying costs (health care, insurances) that come with their employment. The notion that it's financial aid students is silly.


Financial aid is about 20 percent of the budget in many schools , and that should be reduced as well.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.


Sure. Next time I post my opinion I will ask for your permission. And next time something goes wrong with your hotel booking or medical bill please don’t complain that there are better battles to pick.
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It's just Baumol's Cost Disease. Happens to any labor-intensive industry. It's inherent to the nature of teaching. Unless there's a way to actually create efficiencies by reducing labor inputs, costs will continue to go up faster than general inflation.

See also: health care, haircuts, daycare, skilled trades.
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Anonymous wrote:It's just Baumol's Cost Disease. Happens to any labor-intensive industry. It's inherent to the nature of teaching. Unless there's a way to actually create efficiencies by reducing labor inputs, costs will continue to go up faster than general inflation.

See also: health care, haircuts, daycare, skilled trades.


Yeah right, expect that in other rich counties you don’t observe healthcare or education costs rising so fast and delivering such poor results. So no, it’s not the Baumol disease.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.


Sure. Next time I post my opinion I will ask for your permission. And next time something goes wrong with your hotel booking or medical bill please don’t complain that there are better battles to pick.


A hotel is a perfect example. Do I have to pay $500 a night for a hotel? No. Is it a problem? Also no.

Do people need $2m houses? No Could they raise children just as well in a $500K apartment? Yes. Could the child raised in the $500K apartment do better in life than the one from the $2m house? Of course.

But nothing’s wrong with the $2m house.

Nothing’s gone wrong with my child’s tuition. I knew what it was in advance. It was never a secret. The school did not make a billing mistake. Yes it could be lower if healthcare were universal and not tied to employment. But that’s a separate, far more universal issue than private schools.
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Anonymous wrote:It's just Baumol's Cost Disease. Happens to any labor-intensive industry. It's inherent to the nature of teaching. Unless there's a way to actually create efficiencies by reducing labor inputs, costs will continue to go up faster than general inflation.

See also: health care, haircuts, daycare, skilled trades.


Yeah right, expect that in other rich counties you don’t observe healthcare or education costs rising so fast and delivering such poor results. So no, it’s not the Baumol disease.


You absolutely do, I do not know where you are getting your data. See e.g. "https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/WP817.pdf" (Our results suggest that prices do indeed tend to increase more rapidly in stagnant sectors)
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.


Sure. Next time I post my opinion I will ask for your permission. And next time something goes wrong with your hotel booking or medical bill please don’t complain that there are better battles to pick.


A hotel is a perfect example. Do I have to pay $500 a night for a hotel? No. Is it a problem? Also no.

Do people need $2m houses? No Could they raise children just as well in a $500K apartment? Yes. Could the child raised in the $500K apartment do better in life than the one from the $2m house? Of course.

But nothing’s wrong with the $2m house.

Nothing’s gone wrong with my child’s tuition. I knew what it was in advance. It was never a secret. The school did not make a billing mistake. Yes it could be lower if healthcare were universal and not tied to employment. But that’s a separate, far more universal issue than private schools.


This, this, this, this, this! I type this from my $600K condo that was our first home and we just aren't looking to upgrade cause we like it, but if we were to upgrade it would be to one of the houses in our neighborhood that are about $2M (just haven't seen the ones we love go on the market and there is nothing wrong with our Condo) and I'm sending my kid to a $50K a year school next year. I'm not looking for them to "cut" anything, I'm choosing how and when I spend my money. It's an educated choice and to pretend otherwise is silly. If you want to most economically efficient for price per teacher in the front of the classroom, public school is right there and there is nothing wrong with it. However, I chose a school I love and align with for my son. Will I love every activity they offer for him? No, but it is part of the ecosystem I chose.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.


Sure. Next time I post my opinion I will ask for your permission. And next time something goes wrong with your hotel booking or medical bill please don’t complain that there are better battles to pick.


A hotel is a perfect example. Do I have to pay $500 a night for a hotel? No. Is it a problem? Also no.

Do people need $2m houses? No Could they raise children just as well in a $500K apartment? Yes. Could the child raised in the $500K apartment do better in life than the one from the $2m house? Of course.

But nothing’s wrong with the $2m house.

Nothing’s gone wrong with my child’s tuition. I knew what it was in advance. It was never a secret. The school did not make a billing mistake. Yes it could be lower if healthcare were universal and not tied to employment. But that’s a separate, far more universal issue than private schools.


You are assuming two things: first, that schools cannot make mistakes; and second, that parents should stay quiet when they disagree with those mistakes.

Suppose you book a hotel room with a lake view for $600, but when you arrive, you get a room with no view, which normally costs less. Would you complain, or would you just accept it quietly? Maybe you would let it go, and that is fine. But if other people are not fine with it, I would not criticize them for complaining about a mistake or a subpar service.

A school is no different. If you are paying for a service, and a large share of that money is not translating into value, it is perfectly reasonable to raise the issue and discuss it.

I do not think that is very hard to understand.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.


Sure. Next time I post my opinion I will ask for your permission. And next time something goes wrong with your hotel booking or medical bill please don’t complain that there are better battles to pick.


A hotel is a perfect example. Do I have to pay $500 a night for a hotel? No. Is it a problem? Also no.

Do people need $2m houses? No Could they raise children just as well in a $500K apartment? Yes. Could the child raised in the $500K apartment do better in life than the one from the $2m house? Of course.

But nothing’s wrong with the $2m house.

Nothing’s gone wrong with my child’s tuition. I knew what it was in advance. It was never a secret. The school did not make a billing mistake. Yes it could be lower if healthcare were universal and not tied to employment. But that’s a separate, far more universal issue than private schools.


You are assuming two things: first, that schools cannot make mistakes; and second, that parents should stay quiet when they disagree with those mistakes.

Suppose you book a hotel room with a lake view for $600, but when you arrive, you get a room with no view, which normally costs less. Would you complain, or would you just accept it quietly? Maybe you would let it go, and that is fine. But if other people are not fine with it, I would not criticize them for complaining about a mistake or a subpar service.

A school is no different. If you are paying for a service, and a large share of that money is not translating into value, it is perfectly reasonable to raise the issue and discuss it.

I do not think that is very hard to understand.


Sorry. This is dcum. If there were a lot of unhappy parents you’d hear it fast. But generally private school parents feel good about being private school parents. They were sold the pretty campus with the fancy science labs, and they got it.
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Anonymous wrote:In the same fashion as healthcare, the US education system is characterized for being bloated, overpriced, with poor academic outcomes. So yes, there is plenty of fat to trim in both private and public schools.


Yes and no. In the US the same syringe costs 10x more than in Europe. Similarly in the US healthcare, insurance, attorney retention fees, etc all cost more than in Europe. They add significantly to the bottom line.

However the cost of the basketball coach, tennis court, swimming pool, science lab, second campus (Sheridan), European trips (WES) is a difference in choice. The programming is similar to top boarding schools in Europe. The price is also similar—take the boarding school tuition and discount it to a day rate. It’s similar to a DC private.


They are similar to the extent that they have a very poor value per dollar spent.


It’s usually up to the buyer to determine if they’re happy with the value of their dollar and want a repeat purchase.


Yes, usually, unfortunately when the average quality of the service is so low the options are limited. It’s hard to have a surgery in Canada or send your kids to a schooo in Europe.


What a negative Nancy. Many of these private school graduates have the option to create a life in Europe if they want. They won’t.

As for you, I would lobby for better public schools. The system is made for lobbying.


Never thought that discussing an issue turns you in a “negative Nancy”. I still think that is better than burying your head under the sand and pretend that we have the best education in the world.

Why do you think the best universities in the US have an increasing fraction of foreign students and faculty (before trump)?


No one says our education system was the best. Just that many parents with kids in private were satisfied. The position that it’s all gone to the dogs is what makes you a negative Nancy. There’s a lot wrong with the world. There are better battles to pick with a lot more support than whether or not private school kids could save $2K by not doing the Europe trip.


Sure. Next time I post my opinion I will ask for your permission. And next time something goes wrong with your hotel booking or medical bill please don’t complain that there are better battles to pick.


A hotel is a perfect example. Do I have to pay $500 a night for a hotel? No. Is it a problem? Also no.

Do people need $2m houses? No Could they raise children just as well in a $500K apartment? Yes. Could the child raised in the $500K apartment do better in life than the one from the $2m house? Of course.

But nothing’s wrong with the $2m house.

Nothing’s gone wrong with my child’s tuition. I knew what it was in advance. It was never a secret. The school did not make a billing mistake. Yes it could be lower if healthcare were universal and not tied to employment. But that’s a separate, far more universal issue than private schools.


You are assuming two things: first, that schools cannot make mistakes; and second, that parents should stay quiet when they disagree with those mistakes.

Suppose you book a hotel room with a lake view for $600, but when you arrive, you get a room with no view, which normally costs less. Would you complain, or would you just accept it quietly? Maybe you would let it go, and that is fine. But if other people are not fine with it, I would not criticize them for complaining about a mistake or a subpar service.

A school is no different. If you are paying for a service, and a large share of that money is not translating into value, it is perfectly reasonable to raise the issue and discuss it.

I do not think that is very hard to understand.


Sorry. This is dcum. If there were a lot of unhappy parents you’d hear it fast. But generally private school parents feel good about being private school parents. They were sold the pretty campus with the fancy science labs, and they got it.


Read carefully the posts today or yesterday and you will be surprised how many schools are criticized. So yes, parents do complain.
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