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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered up thread - I lost track as the conversation has been threadjacked - does anyone know a somewhat social but non-fratty boy at Wake? Are they happy? My son is a people person but initially comes across as shy so likely is not the fraternity type. Is there a place for this type at Wake? Can non-greek boys go to parties? Or will he be bored on weekends?

My understanding from other people’s experiences is that one can find a social life/activities outside the Greek scene at awake but it can take a little more time and just putting oneself out there. My kid (boy) is similar- social, but not interested in Greek life. He looked at Wake, liked it well enough for its size/location, but ended up at a school where Greek life is a smaller presence.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake is for those who want the “south,” but can’t cut it at Vandy, Emory, Duke, UNC, and UVA. It is like Lehigh. Meh.

Why would anybody pick Emory over Wake? Yuck.

Because Wake yikes while Emory is a semi top college.

If emory is a semi top college, so is CMU, Washu, Rice , ND, Gtown, Umich, UCLa and Vandy right??

Of course. But the point is Wake isn’t in this league. It’s not even T50.

Wake is just below most of those, and there is no shame in that. I'm guessing that for most of those schools, a majority would choose the other ones over Wake, but there would be a critical mass who would choose Wake for a variety of reasons. I could make a compelling argument for choosing Wake over most of them, but they are very specific to certain kids (i.e. Wake would be a happier college experience than CMU, plus CMU is pretty specialized in its areas of excellence so if that's not your think, they are actually pretty close).

Just below is subjective. If By just below you mean if im paying full price for the Emory tier schools, ill only pay 40% for Wake tier schools then yes, its just below.

Emory and wake are the same tier. Wake actually wins cross admits.

24 vs 51 is not the same tier. Most students arent applying to both schools. In fact Wake doesn't get that many applications to begin with.

You’re WAY overestimating the precision of the rankings & the significance of small differences in those rankings. 24 vs 51 doesn’t put them on different planets.

Yes it does. The gap between the T25 and the schools after 30 is dramatic. What notable alumni does Wake have?

They don't have Steven Miller. Duke needs to own him.

I think even his family of origin has disowned him at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing for Emory. But the Emory haters are really sad. Why such animosity towards a school? A sociopath is currently making crap up on national TV that tens of millions of our fellow Americans believe, yet you are directing your angst at Emory? Really?

You can have pointless arguments about one school being "better" than another without being so nasty towards the school you think is lesser.

There are so many sad, angry, ignorant posters here.

Sweetie, this is a thread about Wake. Some crazy lady started chirping about Emory, as she does in nearly every thread. People get sick of her.

You literally didn’t read OPs initial post…asked about Wake vs Emory, Vandy and UNC.

Vandy=Emory>UNC>>Wake
Vandy is Health and law
Emory is Health and Business
UNC is only Health
Wake is Wake.

Vandy >> emory

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Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

+1. Not a wake 'booster' since my kid goes elsewhere, but I was very impressed with Wake's commitment to undergrad teaching and commitment to full professors for teaching. (Unlike many other higher ranked schools like my kid's ivy that use lower cost adjust prof and phd grad students who are often not good teachers). Its a great liberal arts education, with additional courses available that can provide kids with skills and applied opportunitues before entering the workforce (research, business, languages, communications, etc). Well-resourced univerisity with school spirit and milder weather vs the northeast. We know lots of happy kids there

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Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

So then, why do people keep referring back to its rankings from 2023....if the USNews rankings don't matter?

Can Wake boosters show some consistency? If the rankings don't matter, then stop referring to an era when it was ranked higher.

BTW...hard to claim that nearly all schools of around 5,500 students dropped in the rankings. I mean, Princeton is nearly the same size and it still is ranked #1 even with all the changes. Not to mention MIT, Duke and countless other schools between 4,500 - 6,500 students remaining tops in the rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered up thread - I lost track as the conversation has been threadjacked - does anyone know a somewhat social but non-fratty boy at Wake? Are they happy? My son is a people person but initially comes across as shy so likely is not the fraternity type. Is there a place for this type at Wake? Can non-greek boys go to parties? Or will he be bored on weekends?

My understanding from other people’s experiences is that one can find a social life/activities outside the Greek scene at awake but it can take a little more time and just putting oneself out there. My kid (boy) is similar- social, but not interested in Greek life. He looked at Wake, liked it well enough for its size/location, but ended up at a school where Greek life is a smaller presence.

Which school did he end up at? Also looking for similar to Wake school but with less Greek life

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

So then, why do people keep referring back to its rankings from 2023....if the USNews rankings don't matter?

Can Wake boosters show some consistency? If the rankings don't matter, then stop referring to an era when it was ranked higher.

BTW...hard to claim that nearly all schools of around 5,500 students dropped in the rankings. I mean, Princeton is nearly the same size and it still is ranked #1 even with all the changes. Not to mention MIT, Duke and countless other schools between 4,500 - 6,500 students remaining tops in the rankings.

Other private schools that dropped in 2023– Yale, UChicago, Dartmouth, Vandy, Wash U, Tufts, Tulane, NE, etc … https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/us/us-news-college-ranking.html

But as I said earlier, I don’t care, applications have continued to go up year over year, every year. Most people don’t really care about rankings that are based on socioeconomic diversity apparently.

It seems you are the one stuck on rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

+1. Not a wake 'booster' since my kid goes elsewhere, but I was very impressed with Wake's commitment to undergrad teaching and commitment to full professors for teaching. (Unlike many other higher ranked schools like my kid's ivy that use lower cost adjust prof and phd grad students who are often not good teachers). Its a great liberal arts education, with additional courses available that can provide kids with skills and applied opportunitues before entering the workforce (research, business, languages, communications, etc). Well-resourced univerisity with school spirit and milder weather vs the northeast. We know lots of happy kids there

It’s been a perfect fit for my kid, no class over 70 students and most under 20 for her in her first three years there (a current junior). She has really gotten to know her teachers well, and has had an opportunity to take a small class taught by a med school professor that she really enjoyed. On a different note, Wake continues to move ahead with larger projects, like the new grounds development, to continue to improve student life.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

So then, why do people keep referring back to its rankings from 2023....if the USNews rankings don't matter?

Can Wake boosters show some consistency? If the rankings don't matter, then stop referring to an era when it was ranked higher.

BTW...hard to claim that nearly all schools of around 5,500 students dropped in the rankings. I mean, Princeton is nearly the same size and it still is ranked #1 even with all the changes. Not to mention MIT, Duke and countless other schools between 4,500 - 6,500 students remaining tops in the rankings.

Other private schools that dropped in 2023– Yale, UChicago, Dartmouth, Vandy, Wash U, Tufts, Tulane, NE, etc … https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/us/us-news-college-ranking.html

But as I said earlier, I don’t care, applications have continued to go up year over year, every year. Most people don’t really care about rankings that are based on socioeconomic diversity apparently.

It seems you are the one stuck on rankings.

Once more...if you don't care, then why did you just search the records to come up with a list. BTW, Yale? UChicago? Yale is #4, UChicago is #6...now because they aren't ranked #2 or #5 or whatever, that's "dropping" in the rankings?

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Anonymous wrote:Wake consistently was ranked by USNWR in the 20s from 1997 until 2023.

Highest ranking was 23 in 2014, and was 25 in 1997, 2003 and 2011. That’s UVa and UNC level elite.

After 25 years of being a T30, the ranking of Wake dropped in the last 3 years when the methodology changed after 2023.

2026 #51
2025 #46
2024 #47
2023 #29

The drop is definitely notable. I’d argue that the school hasn’t changed much in 4 years, however.

At some point…the ranking is the ranking. In 2030, will people still refer back to the 2023 rankings as the “real” rankings.

Just a note…51 is still a higher ranking than Wake receives from WSJ, Forbes…and literally every other ranking that exists.

Meh, US News will just change the ranking criteria in a year or two.

It isn’t as if Wake is the only medium size private college to drop in the rankings, nearly all did, and those with fewer poor kids fell the most.

Wake actually offers a very unique product. College on the small size of medium that offers P4 sports, great weather, and very small classes taught by full professors — i.e. a slac education with the social life of a bigger school. Undergrad business school is ranked pretty well and the medical school likes its own undergrads with respect to admissions and offers good opportunities for undergrad research. My own kid was able to find space in a lab pretty easily which has become difficult these days with federal funding cuts.

The U.S. News rankings have not had any effect on the applicant pool. Wake continues to receive more applications every year (including this one) without any drop in accepted student quality.

It may not be for everyone but it definitely continues to appeal to smart kids who want an active social and sports scene, as well as the opportunity to really get to know their professors.

So then, why do people keep referring back to its rankings from 2023....if the USNews rankings don't matter?

Can Wake boosters show some consistency? If the rankings don't matter, then stop referring to an era when it was ranked higher.

BTW...hard to claim that nearly all schools of around 5,500 students dropped in the rankings. I mean, Princeton is nearly the same size and it still is ranked #1 even with all the changes. Not to mention MIT, Duke and countless other schools between 4,500 - 6,500 students remaining tops in the rankings.

Other private schools that dropped in 2023– Yale, UChicago, Dartmouth, Vandy, Wash U, Tufts, Tulane, NE, etc … https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/us/us-news-college-ranking.html

But as I said earlier, I don’t care, applications have continued to go up year over year, every year. Most people don’t really care about rankings that are based on socioeconomic diversity apparently.

It seems you are the one stuck on rankings.

Once more...if you don't care, then why did you just search the records to come up with a list. BTW, Yale? UChicago? Yale is #4, UChicago is #6...now because they aren't ranked #2 or #5 or whatever, that's "dropping" in the rankings?

Because you asked me to?

Wasted enough time on you and your ratings obsession.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered up thread - I lost track as the conversation has been threadjacked - does anyone know a somewhat social but non-fratty boy at Wake? Are they happy? My son is a people person but initially comes across as shy so likely is not the fraternity type. Is there a place for this type at Wake? Can non-greek boys go to parties? Or will he be bored on weekends?

My understanding from other people’s experiences is that one can find a social life/activities outside the Greek scene at awake but it can take a little more time and just putting oneself out there. My kid (boy) is similar- social, but not interested in Greek life. He looked at Wake, liked it well enough for its size/location, but ended up at a school where Greek life is a smaller presence.

Which school did he end up at? Also looking for similar to Wake school but with less Greek life

William and Mary or Richmond may for the bill.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered up thread - I lost track as the conversation has been threadjacked - does anyone know a somewhat social but non-fratty boy at Wake? Are they happy? My son is a people person but initially comes across as shy so likely is not the fraternity type. Is there a place for this type at Wake? Can non-greek boys go to parties? Or will he be bored on weekends?

My understanding from other people’s experiences is that one can find a social life/activities outside the Greek scene at awake but it can take a little more time and just putting oneself out there. My kid (boy) is similar- social, but not interested in Greek life. He looked at Wake, liked it well enough for its size/location, but ended up at a school where Greek life is a smaller presence.

Which school did he end up at? Also looking for similar to Wake school but with less Greek life

William and Mary or Richmond may for the bill.

Richmond has the same Greek percentage as Wake and a lot smaller. Class sizes run bigger at William and Mary (while still small for a public college) but William and Mary shares Wake’s commitment to having only full professors teach. Neither offer P4 sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this was covered up thread - I lost track as the conversation has been threadjacked - does anyone know a somewhat social but non-fratty boy at Wake? Are they happy? My son is a people person but initially comes across as shy so likely is not the fraternity type. Is there a place for this type at Wake? Can non-greek boys go to parties? Or will he be bored on weekends?

My understanding from other people’s experiences is that one can find a social life/activities outside the Greek scene at awake but it can take a little more time and just putting oneself out there. My kid (boy) is similar- social, but not interested in Greek life. He looked at Wake, liked it well enough for its size/location, but ended up at a school where Greek life is a smaller presence.

Which school did he end up at? Also looking for similar to Wake school but with less Greek life

William and Mary or Richmond may for the bill.

Richmond has the same Greek percentage as Wake and a lot smaller. Class sizes run bigger at William and Mary (while still small for a public college) but William and Mary shares Wake’s commitment to having only full professors teach. Neither offer P4 sports.

Wake is also has its own medical school and hospital which is a nice plus for premed students.