World Language transfer request for HS

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Question:
In the immersion programs, how does the enrollment in sixth grade compare to enrollment in first grade?

In other words, is there much attrition in the program?

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Anonymous wrote:Question:
In the immersion programs, how does the enrollment in sixth grade compare to enrollment in first grade?

In other words, is there much attrition in the program?

There is attrition because you cannot join after 1st grade unless you live in a household that speaks the language and have a certain level of fluency. DS’s class went from 32 kids in 1st grade to 25 in 6th grade. Kids moved out, some kids moved into the regular class, and some kids moved in who were fluent in the language and joined the class. There are about 25-30 kids in Japanese at the MS, some of the kids in the ES program go to their base MS, some switch to other languages.

Most of the LI programs have waitlists, Japanese and Korean tend to clear the waitlists but I think that the Spanish, French, and German programs normally have kids who want to attend but cannot due to space considerations.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:
In the immersion programs, how does the enrollment in sixth grade compare to enrollment in first grade?

In other words, is there much attrition in the program?

For GFES, the Japanese Immersion 6th grade class had 6 students last year, originally the class started with 25 or more.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:
In the immersion programs, how does the enrollment in sixth grade compare to enrollment in first grade?

In other words, is there much attrition in the program?

For GFES, the Japanese Immersion 6th grade class had 6 students last year, originally the class started with 25 or more.

Fox Mill’s program is more robust. A few kids might leave JI for AAP but not that many. We have a morning and an afternoon group, so we start with closer to 60 kids. I would guess half of those will continue Japanese through HS. At least, that has been our experience since starting school.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:
In the immersion programs, how does the enrollment in sixth grade compare to enrollment in first grade?

In other words, is there much attrition in the program?

For GFES, the Japanese Immersion 6th grade class had 6 students last year, originally the class started with 25 or more.

Sounds like it needs to be phased out there.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Immersion 100% continues in 8th grade, there is a language immersion specific class at the MS that the ESLI program feeds into. I know this is the case for Japanese and Korean. Maybe it is different for Spanish, French, and German and the kids move into the regular language class but at least Japanese and Korean Immersion continues in MS and then into HS as the kids need two additional years of language if they taake language all 4 years.

It's not entirely clear to me if the expectation from colleges is that the kids have a total of 4 years of a WL or have a WL all 4 years of HS (which could have some kids taking 6 years of the language).

I think that the language requirements are less concerning then the math requirements. You need 4 years of Math in HS, regardless of taking HS math in MS. Foreign language is less worried about it all being in HS, at least that is my impression. If you have 4 years of a language and you stop to take electives that are of interest to you. Plenty of colleges don't require 4 years of language, that is a less set in stone requirement then math.

UVA absolutely cares that all 4 of the years were in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:
In the immersion programs, how does the enrollment in sixth grade compare to enrollment in first grade?

In other words, is there much attrition in the program?

For GFES, the Japanese Immersion 6th grade class had 6 students last year, originally the class started with 25 or more.

Fox Mill’s program is more robust. A few kids might leave JI for AAP but not that many. We have a morning and an afternoon group, so we start with closer to 60 kids. I would guess half of those will continue Japanese through HS. At least, that has been our experience since starting school.

Definitely. We had no interest in the AAP center. DD got plenty of academic support and was no less prepared than the center kids once she got to Carson. FMES is a wonderful neighborhood school.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Immersion 100% continues in 8th grade, there is a language immersion specific class at the MS that the ESLI program feeds into. I know this is the case for Japanese and Korean. Maybe it is different for Spanish, French, and German and the kids move into the regular language class but at least Japanese and Korean Immersion continues in MS and then into HS as the kids need two additional years of language if they taake language all 4 years.

It's not entirely clear to me if the expectation from colleges is that the kids have a total of 4 years of a WL or have a WL all 4 years of HS (which could have some kids taking 6 years of the language).

I think that the language requirements are less concerning then the math requirements. You need 4 years of Math in HS, regardless of taking HS math in MS. Foreign language is less worried about it all being in HS, at least that is my impression. If you have 4 years of a language and you stop to take electives that are of interest to you. Plenty of colleges don't require 4 years of language, that is a less set in stone requirement then math.

UVA absolutely cares that all 4 of the years were in high school.

I would guess that UVA's Engineering program would be cool with a kid getting a 5 on AP WL and taking a STEM AP class as a senior instead of a 6th year of foreign language to get in 4 years at HS. Different programs have different bars for kids. Humanities programs will care more about language then STEM programs. Plenty of Engineering schools will happily take kids with 2-3 years of foreign language with the right mix of STEM classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Immersion 100% continues in 8th grade, there is a language immersion specific class at the MS that the ESLI program feeds into. I know this is the case for Japanese and Korean. Maybe it is different for Spanish, French, and German and the kids move into the regular language class but at least Japanese and Korean Immersion continues in MS and then into HS as the kids need two additional years of language if they taake language all 4 years.

It's not entirely clear to me if the expectation from colleges is that the kids have a total of 4 years of a WL or have a WL all 4 years of HS (which could have some kids taking 6 years of the language).

There is no 6 years of the language available. It would be 2 years of a new language if they want 4 years of high school language, which means they should not be allowed language transfers in 11th or 12th grade.

All those immersion kids should be sent back to their neighborhood schools since the transfer need ends in 10th grade.

I believe AP language is a 5th year of the language. And most of the schools have a DE class for the immersion language served at the school. Is there a reason you want to punish kids who have taken more language then most?

Not at all.

Fcps jist needs to enforce their old rule and send them to open schools like Robinson, not closed schools like Irving and WSHS.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Immersion 100% continues in 8th grade, there is a language immersion specific class at the MS that the ESLI program feeds into. I know this is the case for Japanese and Korean. Maybe it is different for Spanish, French, and German and the kids move into the regular language class but at least Japanese and Korean Immersion continues in MS and then into HS as the kids need two additional years of language if they taake language all 4 years.

It's not entirely clear to me if the expectation from colleges is that the kids have a total of 4 years of a WL or have a WL all 4 years of HS (which could have some kids taking 6 years of the language).

There is no 6 years of the language available. It would be 2 years of a new language if they want 4 years of high school language, which means they should not be allowed language transfers in 11th or 12th grade.

All those immersion kids should be sent back to their neighborhood schools since the transfer need ends in 10th grade.

The immersion HS tend to have DE language classes for the students who participated in LI/

There are no immersion high schools in FCPS

You are correct, except that I have heard teachers refer to the HS that the ES LI programs feed into immersion HS, meaning that they have programs for the kids who took Immersion in ES and MS. There are programs in place to support those kids as they finish the traditional language path at most HS. I know kids who took DE Japanese classes after they finished the regular courses. Some kids will not take the DE language class and will take different electives instead.

If they aren't actively taking the transfer language, then the entire justification for the transfer no longer exists. Based on policy, they are supposed to return to their neighborhood school.

This is likely the language transfer abuse people were posting about earlier.

The old transfer policy was crystal clear on this.

FCPS simply needs to keep the old policy and just enforce it as written, even if it means sending juniors back to their neighborhood high school or from WSHS to Robinson.

Don't remove the ability for immersion kids to continue with the language. Just enforce the language transfer policy as it was written, and remove all language transfers from the closed high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Where other schools were concerned, FCPS rezoned kids to get schools down to 105% capacity. To get WSHS down to 105% capacity, based on 2025-26 enrollment, they should be moving 218 kids out of WSHS. But, there are only 51 transfers into WSHS this year.

So if they'd treated WSHS fairly, like they treated some other schools, they still would have needed to move 167 kids out of WSHS even if all the language transfers were eliminated.

Start with sending all the language transfers to Robinson or back to their base school.

Then do a residency check after class of 2026 graduates.

So much gatekeeping. Maybe WSHS should just be an ICE training academy.

You are against enforcing district transfer policy?

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Immersion 100% continues in 8th grade, there is a language immersion specific class at the MS that the ESLI program feeds into. I know this is the case for Japanese and Korean. Maybe it is different for Spanish, French, and German and the kids move into the regular language class but at least Japanese and Korean Immersion continues in MS and then into HS as the kids need two additional years of language if they taake language all 4 years.

It's not entirely clear to me if the expectation from colleges is that the kids have a total of 4 years of a WL or have a WL all 4 years of HS (which could have some kids taking 6 years of the language).

There is no 6 years of the language available. It would be 2 years of a new language if they want 4 years of high school language, which means they should not be allowed language transfers in 11th or 12th grade.

All those immersion kids should be sent back to their neighborhood schools since the transfer need ends in 10th grade.

The immersion HS tend to have DE language classes for the students who participated in LI/

There are no immersion high schools in FCPS

You are correct, except that I have heard teachers refer to the HS that the ES LI programs feed into immersion HS, meaning that they have programs for the kids who took Immersion in ES and MS. There are programs in place to support those kids as they finish the traditional language path at most HS. I know kids who took DE Japanese classes after they finished the regular courses. Some kids will not take the DE language class and will take different electives instead.

If they aren't actively taking the transfer language, then the entire justification for the transfer no longer exists. Based on policy, they are supposed to return to their neighborhood school.

This is likely the language transfer abuse people were posting about earlier.

The old transfer policy was crystal clear on this.

FCPS simply needs to keep the old policy and just enforce it as written, even if it means sending juniors back to their neighborhood high school or from WSHS to Robinson.

Don't remove the ability for immersion kids to continue with the language. Just enforce the language transfer policy as it was written, and remove all language transfers from the closed high schools.

The abuse they are discussing is the number of language transfers out of schools like Lewis and Herndon to schools like WSHS and Langley. Kids from Lewis and Herndon pupil place for German or Russian to attend the better performing school. The number of LI kids is reasonably small. There is one school with German immersion, the number of kids transfering from that program is going to be small. The number of Lewis students who simply love German and want to take it at WSHS is far greater then the number of German immersion kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Where other schools were concerned, FCPS rezoned kids to get schools down to 105% capacity. To get WSHS down to 105% capacity, based on 2025-26 enrollment, they should be moving 218 kids out of WSHS. But, there are only 51 transfers into WSHS this year.

So if they'd treated WSHS fairly, like they treated some other schools, they still would have needed to move 167 kids out of WSHS even if all the language transfers were eliminated.

Start with sending all the language transfers to Robinson or back to their base school.

Then do a residency check after class of 2026 graduates.

So much gatekeeping. Maybe WSHS should just be an ICE training academy.

You are against enforcing district transfer policy?

I am against parents at West Springfield who scapegoat other kids, especially since the school would be overcrowded enough to warrant a boundary change under FCPS policy regardless of the small number of kids continuing with German in that pyramid. You’re disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I have the other post on this topic. My daughter started German immersion at first grade. We went to Orange Hunt for elementary, and Irving right now for middle, and we were supposed to go to West Springfield to continue on in German. Our base school does not have German. I’ve been emailing back-and-forth to the transfer office in the basic messages so out of luck.
German is my daughter’s favorite class, all her friends have been together in it since first grade, and now she has to change in high school

If they had let me know, maybe we would’ve changed her mind about middle school and she is an anxious and shy child as well her friends are important to her

There’s no German Immersion at WSHS. Your special program ended. Back to base school. You should have established residency in the Orange Hunt boundary back in 2018 if you cared so much about the high school.

Bless your heart.

We own a home in WSHS boundary that was going to be rezoned out because of all these language transfers in. Of course I’m salty.

German Immersion in an elementary level program. There is no German Immersion at the middle school and high school level and no room in the neighborhood schools for extra students.

Immersion 100% continues in 8th grade, there is a language immersion specific class at the MS that the ESLI program feeds into. I know this is the case for Japanese and Korean. Maybe it is different for Spanish, French, and German and the kids move into the regular language class but at least Japanese and Korean Immersion continues in MS and then into HS as the kids need two additional years of language if they taake language all 4 years.

It's not entirely clear to me if the expectation from colleges is that the kids have a total of 4 years of a WL or have a WL all 4 years of HS (which could have some kids taking 6 years of the language).

There is no 6 years of the language available. It would be 2 years of a new language if they want 4 years of high school language, which means they should not be allowed language transfers in 11th or 12th grade.

All those immersion kids should be sent back to their neighborhood schools since the transfer need ends in 10th grade.

The immersion HS tend to have DE language classes for the students who participated in LI/

There are no immersion high schools in FCPS

You are correct, except that I have heard teachers refer to the HS that the ES LI programs feed into immersion HS, meaning that they have programs for the kids who took Immersion in ES and MS. There are programs in place to support those kids as they finish the traditional language path at most HS. I know kids who took DE Japanese classes after they finished the regular courses. Some kids will not take the DE language class and will take different electives instead.

If they aren't actively taking the transfer language, then the entire justification for the transfer no longer exists. Based on policy, they are supposed to return to their neighborhood school.

This is likely the language transfer abuse people were posting about earlier.

The old transfer policy was crystal clear on this.

FCPS simply needs to keep the old policy and just enforce it as written, even if it means sending juniors back to their neighborhood high school or from WSHS to Robinson.

Don't remove the ability for immersion kids to continue with the language. Just enforce the language transfer policy as it was written, and remove all language transfers from the closed high schools.

The abuse they are discussing is the number of language transfers out of schools like Lewis and Herndon to schools like WSHS and Langley. Kids from Lewis and Herndon pupil place for German or Russian to attend the better performing school. The number of LI kids is reasonably small. There is one school with German immersion, the number of kids transfering from that program is going to be small. The number of Lewis students who simply love German and want to take it at WSHS is far greater then the number of German immersion kids.

Then they should go to LBSS or another school that is open to transfers and offers German. WSHS is closed to transfers because it is already over 100 percent capacity.

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This seems to have what I would assume as unintended affect of preventing some LI kids from being able to continue in their language.
This is actually awful, and unfair. It may be that some schools need to remain closed to transfers due to capacity, but there should not be an across-the-board ban that seriously affects LI kids.
Anyone else planning to write their school board rep?