EdTech Transparency

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

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The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

This is the only thing we need to know about this. But follow the money.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

Exactly you think no one can ban use at home, so you want to push the social agenda on to schools. If it is important to you, push for a broader agenda, or do you just believe that a female domineered field is responsible for fixing all of society?

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

Exactly you think no one can ban use at home, so you want to push the social agenda on to schools. If it is important to you, push for a broader agenda, or do you just believe that a female domineered field is responsible for fixing all of society?

I don’t understand your argument. Schools exist to educate. Schools are BUYING these terrible programs and technology that it literally harming education. Public schools exist to give all kids a good education regardless of their parents and home life. Why would schools trying to be replicate crappy home life?

[Anonymous]

The New York Times today on this: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/nyregion/students-school-screen-time-parents-concern.html

[Anonymous]

All Pennsylvania public and private schools will soon be required to teach cursive. Big win for kids!


https://www.fox29.com/news/pennsylvania-schools-will-be-required-teach-cursive-again-starting-april.amp

[Anonymous]

Fantastic! I'm so jealous. When we toured WIS I was floored by all the nicely written cursive reports they had hanging up for 2nd graders in the hallways.

[Anonymous]

People can say all they want about home life, but the reality is that the majority of writing happens at school or for school homework.

We are practically screen free at home (no iPads, no video games, family movie or kid tv show once a month during the school year? Whenever we remember, which is not often). DD actually hand writes letters to a couple of older relatives and enjoys corresponding. Over the summer she keeps a journal. But her handwriting really got so much better only when we moved her to a low-tech school. I recently saw the 2nd grade class do a project and even their handwriting (print and cursive) is beautiful. Yes, even the boys.

There were two other transfers into 2nd, 3rd and 4th grade over the past couple of years and those kids and DD have the worst handwriting of all the kids in those grades.

I know handwriting isn’t everything, but it really shows how much writing they do in class and for homework. I firmly believe tech should basically be nonexistent for preK-3rd years, so young kids can build a solid foundation (projectors and teacher screens are fine! Not what I’m taking issue with). Lower elementary kids need to be learning to read well and putting pencil to paper. iPads and Chromebooks can be introduced later.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

Exactly you think no one can ban use at home, so you want to push the social agenda on to schools. If it is important to you, push for a broader agenda, or do you just believe that a female domineered field is responsible for fixing all of society?

I don’t understand your argument. Schools exist to educate. Schools are BUYING these terrible programs and technology that it literally harming education. Public schools exist to give all kids a good education regardless of their parents and home life. Why would schools trying to be replicate crappy home life?

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Many parents do limit screen time at home. We see the harms of screens in our children. We had to take DC's tablet away because she couldn't handle stopping. Screens negatively impact behavior, learning and mental health in children.

I don't understand why educators are defending screen use in schools. Look at the trends in math and literacy. Screens don't improve outcomes. It's only gotten worse since the pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Until schools are able to group kids by ability, the tech is going to stay. It’s the only way to keep the higher achieving kids occupied while the teachers focus on low performers.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

Which “researchers”?

Based on what data?

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

Exactly you think no one can ban use at home, so you want to push the social agenda on to schools. If it is important to you, push for a broader agenda, or do you just believe that a female domineered field is responsible for fixing all of society?

I don’t understand your argument. Schools exist to educate. Schools are BUYING these terrible programs and technology that it literally harming education. Public schools exist to give all kids a good education regardless of their parents and home life. Why would schools trying to be replicate crappy home life?

Evidence of “harm”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until schools are able to group kids by ability, the tech is going to stay. It’s the only way to keep the higher achieving kids occupied while the teachers focus on low performers.

But they aren’t. Which is why the low performers still remain low. They are all on computers and no way in getting any meaningful instruction

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are accommodations for lots of things, why can’t my kid get one since he has issues with staying on task when on a laptop?? And I know he is not alone.

It doesn’t really matter. Teachers are not prepared to teach without devices and technology, they just aren’t. One kid having an IEP to not use a device isn’t going to change how the teacher instructs the class and interaction with students or the work they do. That kid will just be given some generic afterthought worksheet. Not only do devices need to be out of classes, there needs to be a systematic change to how teachers are teaching. It is so bad.

+1000

The resistance to change from teachers is so telling. They are addicted to edtech

It’s no the 90s anymore. “Edtech” is now and will always be apart education it’s been like this for the last 10-15 years.

I don’t buy this, entire countries are going back to textbooks because the evidence that edtech doesn’t help education is overwhelming.

Is thar true boo?

It's pretty obvious as outcomes have gotten worse since 2010 when schools started implementing them. Edtech has a clear record of failing kids.

Correlation isn't causation, dipsht.

NP here. It's fine if you don't, but many researchers think the relationship between Edtech/smartphones and declining educational outcomes is causal, not just correlation. What is your hypothesis?

I’m not the poster you are responding to. While I agree most tech use in schools should go, I think that it isn’t just tech use in schools causing the declining educational outcomes. It is use at home AND schools. I think you can make a little bit of headway when you get rid of tech in schools, but use outside of school needs to be banned as well. The stakes are too high and the attention span of children will keep eroding if we allow tech use outside of school. THE devices were designed to interrupt thought. The reason why you get a flashing pop up in the right corner of the screen is because our reptilian brain sees it better there and will immediately respond. We are primed right now to respond to tech. If you just ban it in schools, you are not going to defeat the problem.

I agree with you that it's both home and school. Jonathan Haidt (who is worried not just about school outcomes but anxiety, depression and loneliness too - topics for a different thread) has written about both factors.

It seems like the tide is turning on political will for both school and home devices. We are seeing the under 16 social media ban in Australia. Some countries' schools are reducing computer use like Sweden (https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/sweden-brings-books-handwriting-back-to-school/7277000.html) and Finland (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/books-screens-out-some-finnish-pupils-go-back-paper-after-tech-push-2024-09-10/). We are seeing cell phone bans in schools in Norway (https://nbc24.com/news/nation-world/norways-school-cell-phone-ban-boosts-student-grades-health-model-us-schools-parents-children-development-reading-abilities-mental-health-human-contact-policy).

Agree it’s both. But kids are at school 7 hrs per day 180 days per year. Those hours are specifically set aside for education and there are decisions being made on how those hours are spent by experts. There is zero excuse for using EdTech at school when we know the outcomes are poor. The school board, principal, teachers, and all the people deciding how kids should be taught can’t control what happens at home- but they can control what happens at school. No one can ban screen use at home, but schools absolutely can at school.

Exactly you think no one can ban use at home, so you want to push the social agenda on to schools. If it is important to you, push for a broader agenda, or do you just believe that a female domineered field is responsible for fixing all of society?

I don’t understand your argument. Schools exist to educate. Schools are BUYING these terrible programs and technology that it literally harming education. Public schools exist to give all kids a good education regardless of their parents and home life. Why would schools trying to be replicate crappy home life?

Evidence of “harm”?

Test scores and grande level proficiency are at all time lows. College kids are going to college unable to do high school algebra and/or write decent papers. This is a widespread problem even at competitive colleges. Look it up- the info is widely available.