"The trouble is with men's sperm" - NYTimes headline

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused what choices you think women are making wrong? I can think of at least 5 women I know who reaches 39 and became a smbc via ivf because they stillcouldn't find a partner..nearly every couple I know, myself included, who struggled with infertility after 35 is because they met late in life. Was not not looking for a partner in my 20s. I traveled in my early 30s because I had time and money and was bored but not because i preferred it to having kids, I just didn't meet my partner until 34. I know at least 7 women who froze eggs because single...this isn't a surprise to any of us, we just couldn't find partners. I know multiple 40+ year old women who are still single and wish they could've found a partner to have kids

I don’t think most are making poor choices, things happen that we don’t plan and plans don’t work out. Some men and women can’t have babies at all. But women who choose to wait until they’re 40+ have to know they’re taking a much higher risk that it won’t happen. We see older women with babies but we don’t see the women who wasn’t as lucky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused what choices you think women are making wrong? I can think of at least 5 women I know who reaches 39 and became a smbc via ivf because they stillcouldn't find a partner..nearly every couple I know, myself included, who struggled with infertility after 35 is because they met late in life. Was not not looking for a partner in my 20s. I traveled in my early 30s because I had time and money and was bored but not because i preferred it to having kids, I just didn't meet my partner until 34. I know at least 7 women who froze eggs because single...this isn't a surprise to any of us, we just couldn't find partners. I know multiple 40+ year old women who are still single and wish they could've found a partner to have kids

I don’t think most are making poor choices, things happen that we don’t plan and plans don’t work out. Some men and women can’t have babies at all. But women who choose to wait until they’re 40+ have to know they’re taking a much higher risk that it won’t happen. We see older women with babies but we don’t see the women who wasn’t as lucky.

So are men. Why is it women you’re concerned with?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I feel like everyone is trying a little too hard to avoid the true answer to the infertility issues. Have children when you are younger. Even the issues highlighted in this article, and thank you to the author for highlighting the misogynistic tenor of infertility (it's NOT always the woman's fault!), many of which can be avoided by not waiting until your junk is ancient.

I get it, it's hugely inconvenient, you aren't as rich as you imagine you may be in your 30s/40s, you want to party and travel, etc.

I fully respect the choice to be child-free. But if you think you want kids, find a spouse and get on it. Don't spend another twenty years dancing around the reasons for infertility or fertility challenges, we know the answer. Have kids when you are younger!


Link for those of you with accounts, I don't know how to gift an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/opinion/freeze-sperm-infertility-chemicals.html

YOU ARE LAZY.

[Anonymous]

Can someone pos ta gift article since OP is too much of a B__ch to do so herself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I feel like everyone is trying a little too hard to avoid the true answer to the infertility issues. Have children when you are younger. Even the issues highlighted in this article, and thank you to the author for highlighting the misogynistic tenor of infertility (it's NOT always the woman's fault!), many of which can be avoided by not waiting until your junk is ancient.

I get it, it's hugely inconvenient, you aren't as rich as you imagine you may be in your 30s/40s, you want to party and travel, etc.

I fully respect the choice to be child-free. But if you think you want kids, find a spouse and get on it. Don't spend another twenty years dancing around the reasons for infertility or fertility challenges, we know the answer. Have kids when you are younger!


Link for those of you with accounts, I don't know how to gift an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/opinion/freeze-sperm-infertility-chemicals.html

Probably because you are a teen mom who didn't go to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I feel like everyone is trying a little too hard to avoid the true answer to the infertility issues. Have children when you are younger. Even the issues highlighted in this article, and thank you to the author for highlighting the misogynistic tenor of infertility (it's NOT always the woman's fault!), many of which can be avoided by not waiting until your junk is ancient.

I get it, it's hugely inconvenient, you aren't as rich as you imagine you may be in your 30s/40s, you want to party and travel, etc.

I fully respect the choice to be child-free. But if you think you want kids, find a spouse and get on it. Don't spend another twenty years dancing around the reasons for infertility or fertility challenges, we know the answer. Have kids when you are younger!


Link for those of you with accounts, I don't know how to gift an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/opinion/freeze-sperm-infertility-chemicals.html

Oh yes, it's so easy. Just go find a spouse and procreate. You sound incredibly young and naive and flat out stupid.

[Anonymous]

Kelsey Grammar is set to become a father again at 70 with his much younger wife. No wonder men are conditioned to think their sperm has no expiration date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused what choices you think women are making wrong? I can think of at least 5 women I know who reaches 39 and became a smbc via ivf because they stillcouldn't find a partner..nearly every couple I know, myself included, who struggled with infertility after 35 is because they met late in life. Was not not looking for a partner in my 20s. I traveled in my early 30s because I had time and money and was bored but not because i preferred it to having kids, I just didn't meet my partner until 34. I know at least 7 women who froze eggs because single...this isn't a surprise to any of us, we just couldn't find partners. I know multiple 40+ year old women who are still single and wish they could've found a partner to have kids

I don’t think most are making poor choices, things happen that we don’t plan and plans don’t work out. Some men and women can’t have babies at all. But women who choose to wait until they’re 40+ have to know they’re taking a much higher risk that it won’t happen. We see older women with babies but we don’t see the women who wasn’t as lucky.

So are men. Why is it women you’re concerned with?

Somehow it's always the woman's fault because of the patriarchy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I feel like everyone is trying a little too hard to avoid the true answer to the infertility issues. Have children when you are younger. Even the issues highlighted in this article, and thank you to the author for highlighting the misogynistic tenor of infertility (it's NOT always the woman's fault!), many of which can be avoided by not waiting until your junk is ancient.

I get it, it's hugely inconvenient, you aren't as rich as you imagine you may be in your 30s/40s, you want to party and travel, etc.

I fully respect the choice to be child-free. But if you think you want kids, find a spouse and get on it. Don't spend another twenty years dancing around the reasons for infertility or fertility challenges, we know the answer. Have kids when you are younger!


Link for those of you with accounts, I don't know how to gift an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/opinion/freeze-sperm-infertility-chemicals.html

Oh yes, it's so easy. Just go find a spouse and procreate. You sound incredibly young and naive and flat out stupid.

I'm almost 50.

I remember vividly when my much older
Coworker told me, in 2001, that dating in DC was a sh$$ show and I'd never be able to find a husband. Well, she came to my wedding in 2005.

Not naive, not young, not stupid.

It may not be easy, but it's not that hard either. It's a new, arbitrary and unhelpful cultural standard to wait to get married until your mid to late 30s. Couples are creating a fertility problem that doesn't need to exist.

Have children or not, it's no one's business but your own.

But please don't complain about infertility issues if younwaited until you and your partner have no viable biological material left!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I feel like everyone is trying a little too hard to avoid the true answer to the infertility issues. Have children when you are younger. Even the issues highlighted in this article, and thank you to the author for highlighting the misogynistic tenor of infertility (it's NOT always the woman's fault!), many of which can be avoided by not waiting until your junk is ancient.

I get it, it's hugely inconvenient, you aren't as rich as you imagine you may be in your 30s/40s, you want to party and travel, etc.

I fully respect the choice to be child-free. But if you think you want kids, find a spouse and get on it. Don't spend another twenty years dancing around the reasons for infertility or fertility challenges, we know the answer. Have kids when you are younger!


Link for those of you with accounts, I don't know how to gift an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/opinion/freeze-sperm-infertility-chemicals.html

Oh yes, it's so easy. Just go find a spouse and procreate. You sound incredibly young and naive and flat out stupid.

I'm almost 50.

I remember vividly when my much older
Coworker told me, in 2001, that dating in DC was a sh$$ show and I'd never be able to find a husband. Well, she came to my wedding in 2005.

Not naive, not young, not stupid.

It may not be easy, but it's not that hard either. It's a new, arbitrary and unhelpful cultural standard to wait to get married until your mid to late 30s. Couples are creating a fertility problem that doesn't need to exist.

Have children or not, it's no one's business but your own.

But please don't complain about infertility issues if younwaited until you and your partner have no viable biological material left!

No one on here has been complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I feel like everyone is trying a little too hard to avoid the true answer to the infertility issues. Have children when you are younger. Even the issues highlighted in this article, and thank you to the author for highlighting the misogynistic tenor of infertility (it's NOT always the woman's fault!), many of which can be avoided by not waiting until your junk is ancient.

I get it, it's hugely inconvenient, you aren't as rich as you imagine you may be in your 30s/40s, you want to party and travel, etc.

I fully respect the choice to be child-free. But if you think you want kids, find a spouse and get on it. Don't spend another twenty years dancing around the reasons for infertility or fertility challenges, we know the answer. Have kids when you are younger!


Link for those of you with accounts, I don't know how to gift an article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/opinion/freeze-sperm-infertility-chemicals.html

Oh yes, it's so easy. Just go find a spouse and procreate. You sound incredibly young and naive and flat out stupid.

I'm almost 50.

I remember vividly when my much older
Coworker told me, in 2001, that dating in DC was a sh$$ show and I'd never be able to find a husband. Well, she came to my wedding in 2005.

Not naive, not young, not stupid.

It may not be easy, but it's not that hard either. It's a new, arbitrary and unhelpful cultural standard to wait to get married until your mid to late 30s. Couples are creating a fertility problem that doesn't need to exist.

Have children or not, it's no one's business but your own.

But please don't complain about infertility issues if younwaited until you and your partner have no viable biological material left!

Very candidly: why not?

If you can’t afford a kid you should raise one in poverty so a really REALLY superior lady on the internet will feel better about you?

If you’re chronically ill you should neglect your kid or endanger your health so a smug loony on a mommy site at 50 doesn’t have to be confronted with reality?

If you don’t meet the right person you should settle and reproduce so your kids can watch you be miserable but someone whose Friday night is aggressively judging others can feel better about their choices?

Truly you’re nuts. I’m sorry you regret your choices so profoundly you need others to repeat them but the solution is therapy not internalized misogyny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused what choices you think women are making wrong? I can think of at least 5 women I know who reaches 39 and became a smbc via ivf because they stillcouldn't find a partner..nearly every couple I know, myself included, who struggled with infertility after 35 is because they met late in life. Was not not looking for a partner in my 20s. I traveled in my early 30s because I had time and money and was bored but not because i preferred it to having kids, I just didn't meet my partner until 34. I know at least 7 women who froze eggs because single...this isn't a surprise to any of us, we just couldn't find partners. I know multiple 40+ year old women who are still single and wish they could've found a partner to have kids

I don’t think most are making poor choices, things happen that we don’t plan and plans don’t work out. Some men and women can’t have babies at all. But women who choose to wait until they’re 40+ have to know they’re taking a much higher risk that it won’t happen. We see older women with babies but we don’t see the women who wasn’t as lucky.

So are men. Why is it women you’re concerned with?

Women can only make their own choices. Men have to worry about their own choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused what choices you think women are making wrong? I can think of at least 5 women I know who reaches 39 and became a smbc via ivf because they stillcouldn't find a partner..nearly every couple I know, myself included, who struggled with infertility after 35 is because they met late in life. Was not not looking for a partner in my 20s. I traveled in my early 30s because I had time and money and was bored but not because i preferred it to having kids, I just didn't meet my partner until 34. I know at least 7 women who froze eggs because single...this isn't a surprise to any of us, we just couldn't find partners. I know multiple 40+ year old women who are still single and wish they could've found a partner to have kids

I don’t think most are making poor choices, things happen that we don’t plan and plans don’t work out. Some men and women can’t have babies at all. But women who choose to wait until they’re 40+ have to know they’re taking a much higher risk that it won’t happen. We see older women with babies but we don’t see the women who wasn’t as lucky.

So are men. Why is it women you’re concerned with?

Women can only make their own choices. Men have to worry about their own choices.

And this thread is about *men* not women, except insofar as it helps women understand that men are equally or
More likely to be the problem. Start a concern troll thread elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good luck finding young men who want to get married at 25. They are few and far between.

They are plentiful. They are just boring and unattractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck finding young men who want to get married at 25. They are few and far between.

They are plentiful. They are just boring and unattractive.

And financially unstable, and potentially dangerous.