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Anonymous wrote:The Golden Boot winner who plays for Mexico


Da'vian Kimbrough is a 15-year-old professional soccer player for Sacramento Republic FC, who became the youngest professional athlete in American team sports history when he signed with the club at the age of 13. He plays as a forward and is known for his goal-scoring ability, having played for the club's academy teams before signing with the first team

What is his development story? Did he grow up in the Mexican OR the American youth systems (Or someplace else)? That info is central to this discussion.

Sorry to disrupt the narrative. He’s been developed in the American system.

He's just a big athletic kid that is already a man at 15...why he can play with men no problem. He scores goals because he is a man amongst boys.

You do know being big and athletic isn't a negative thing or rare in the universal soccer world.
He's always playing up and scoring goals, so he clearly has the other skills and attributes required.

Spoken like a true American. Look up the average size of a professional footballer...you need to be big in two positions, goalie and center back.

Yes, because we see all these midgets in the Premier League and other European top professional leagues

The small player is the exception.

Only a shallow mind lacking knowledge doesn't realize big and athletic can also have technical skills and high IQ

Jude Bellingham for one of many examples

BELLINGHAM IS THE EXCEPTION. Why he is such a beast. The average size of a professional footballer is about 5'8. That is not big by any stretch of the imagination

5'8"?????????

Let me look at the rosters of a few top four clubs and national teams and get back to you

Do that

Here is Liverpool Roster

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/364/liverpool

Feel free to look at how many players are 5'8" or shorter

Then slowly eat your words and go talk Nonsense elsewhere

And even on Liverpools roster, there are more field players under 6 feet than over 6 feet. You have to be over 6 feet to be a goalie. Who's looking like a jackass now

You said the average is 5'8"

No one mentioned anything about 6ft

Here's Real Madrid a Spanish squad
https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/86/real-madrid

So your midget theory is Nonsense and above average and tall players dominate the top tier

Average size of an adult male in the US is about 5'9. Globally that avatar is shorter. So no that is wrong.

Being 5'9" would make you short on every roster posted in this thread

Correct. 5'9 is definitely not tall ..

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A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

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The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

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Anonymous wrote:The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

Data isn't his friend

He just likes to say us Americans are stupid about all things soccer and his opinion and stories are golden facts

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Anonymous wrote:Reality backed by science

A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain

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Anonymous wrote:Reality backed by science

A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain

The majority of players are under 6 feet. Which is generally accepted as the threshold for being tall for an adult male.

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Anonymous wrote:The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

Data isn't his friend

He just likes to say us Americans are stupid about all things soccer and his opinion and stories are golden facts

For the most part, this is true. Americans don't understand the sport at a high level.

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Anonymous wrote:The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

It's Ronaldo. But that's ok.

Agree re position specific height requirements. Goalie and center tr backs are tall. Midfielders shorter. Bottom line is that there is a point where height becomes a problem in soccer because it has a negative impact on your coordination and ability to move quickly. Power is more important that size in football.

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Anonymous wrote:Reality backed by science

A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain

The majority of players are under 6 feet. Which is generally accepted as the threshold for being tall for an adult male.

So the goalposts shifted from 5'8" to 6ft after the data showed a 5'8" average to be manure?

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Anonymous wrote:The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

Data isn't his friend

He just likes to say us Americans are stupid about all things soccer and his opinion and stories are golden facts

For the most part, this is true. Americans don't understand the sport at a high level.

Don't need to understand the sport to find data that disproves opinion

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Anonymous wrote:The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

Data isn't his friend

He just likes to say us Americans are stupid about all things soccer and his opinion and stories are golden facts

For the most part, this is true. Americans don't understand the sport at a high level.

Don't need to understand the sport to find data that disproves opinion

THE American...

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Anonymous wrote:Reality backed by science

A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain

The majority of players are under 6 feet. Which is generally accepted as the threshold for being tall for an adult male.

So the goalposts shifted from 5'8" to 6ft after the data showed a 5'8" average to be manure?

It doesn't really matter either way. The point made is the same. .the average size of a pro footballer is not massive

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Anonymous wrote:The data on height in soccer is not as clear cut as saying Pele and Messi were great and short, therefore it’s better to be short. There are plenty of exceptions the other way too and it also matters the positions. Reynaldo is not short. Center backs tend to be taller than midfielders. There are specializations by position where height can give an advantage. In Germany players are taller, even taller than US teams, and they manage to develop players and have successful teams.

Here is some actual data so you aren’t just arguing your feelings and using outliers to make generalizations
https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost444

Data isn't his friend

He just likes to say us Americans are stupid about all things soccer and his opinion and stories are golden facts

For the most part, this is true. Americans don't understand the sport at a high level.

Don't need to understand the sport to find data that disproves opinion

THE American...

Proud American

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Anonymous wrote:Reality backed by science

A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain

The majority of players are under 6 feet. Which is generally accepted as the threshold for being tall for an adult male.

So the goalposts shifted from 5'8" to 6ft after the data showed a 5'8" average to be manure?

It doesn't really matter either way. The point made is the same. .the average size of a pro footballer is not massive

No one anywhere ever said pro football players were massive

You said the average height was 5'8"
The evidence proved you wrong

Accept acknowledge and move on

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Anonymous wrote:Reality backed by science

A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport. The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch. Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under. And there is a reason for that. Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level. And why Spain will always be very good.

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain

The majority of players are under 6 feet. Which is generally accepted as the threshold for being tall for an adult male.

So the goalposts shifted from 5'8" to 6ft after the data showed a 5'8" average to be manure?

It doesn't really matter either way. The point made is the same. .the average size of a pro footballer is not massive

No one anywhere ever said pro football players were massive

You said the average height was 5'8"
The evidence proved you wrong

Accept acknowledge and move on

He also keeps using Spain as the example which is known to have shorter teams. That's fine, it's the style they play. But Germany is known to have taller teams and they play a different style than Spain. I wouldn't be surprised if the average height of the German national team is more than the American team. The point being height is not a defining reason why any country has good or bad teams.