Can someone give me the number to call to report boundary fraud?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t CH folks want to go to school with their neighbors? Why do they want to go to school with people they don’t want as neighbors?

Serious question? DCPS doesn't offer appropriate challenge for most UMC students at the middle school level, let alone in high school. You nothing about this problem? In DCPS middle schools, kids who work multiple years behind grade level are lumped in the very same classes with kids who work ahead of grade level. There's no academic tracking, other than for math and maybe English. No advanced middle school offerings in any subject in DCPS schools. People aren't rejecting neighbors at all; they're rejecting lack of vital rigor and order for that matter. You invariably get rowdy classrooms when most of the students are either lost or bored.

So why go across town for another MS if there is no tracking in DCPS MSs? Where is the rigor?

All middle schools in DC now have to offer the same levels of courses - I guess the cohort/number of kids at each level is what varies? But I would argue that going to a non Deal middle school is an advantage bc kids have a better chance of getting on a team, into a play, etc. Which I think is a big part of middle school - letting kids try things out and seeing where their interests are. Our kid is at EH and many classes have multiple teachers that allow for differentiation and I think the content and assignments have had appropriate rigor.

[Anonymous]

We became close to several families in our Ward 6 DCPS ES who moved to NW for Deal only to find that the school wasn't for them. They found Deal too big and chaotic, with seriously uneven teaching. They didn't find the rigor they were looking for either, but at least it has much better facilities than BASIS (their other option). One family went private by 8th grade while two moved to MoCo.

Most of the boundary fraud games seem to be for J-R.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We became close to several families in our Ward 6 DCPS ES who moved to NW for Deal only to find that the school wasn't for them. They found Deal too big and chaotic, with seriously uneven teaching. They didn't find the rigor they were looking for either, but at least it has much better facilities than BASIS (their other option). One family went private by 8th grade while two moved to MoCo.

Most of the boundary fraud games seem to be for J-R.

DCPS reduces inequity by making every school bad. Just wait. J-R will soon lose much of what makes it good. There will be no need for this boundary mess.

[Anonymous]

Interesting comparing this to the Hayfield thread. If parents lie and cheat re: boundary violations and beat all other local football teams, it seems to be an issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Completely disagree. When relatives step in to help with NW rent, ordinary middle-class US government employee families sometimes swing these arrangements. These are longtime DC residents who lack acceptable middle and high schools because of the obnoxious political climate, nothing more. Where does your sanctimony get you? A special place in heaven?

We know a Ward 6 family renting a small place for McArthur. Good for them.

How long have you been in DC? A few years? A decade? We've been here more than 30 years and cheer parents who do what it takes to stay for their tax dollars.

If you have family who can help with rent on an apartment you don't even live in, then you have family who can help you afford a home IB for an acceptable school. In NW even!

I live on CH (for 20+ years, tyvm) -- it's fine. But there is no sane reason why someone unhappy with school options here needs to go to the trouble of renting a dummy apartment as evidence to back up their boundary fraud. All so their kids can attend a school they have to commute an hour both ways to? This is idiotic. Just move IB for J-R or McArthur. It's not a big deal, and it's within the rules.

I'm not angling for a "special place in heaven." I just know that creating rules and then not following it enforcing them is a sign of a broken society. DC actually goes out if it's way to give people options for public schools. The people you are talking about have more than most, as they have the resources to run some weird scam to get into a school across town. Instead, they should use those resources to find a option within the rules, like everyone else does.

It is a big deal for some DC families, a huge deal. Many longtime residents, particularly in the DC Historic Districts, have put incredible sweat equity into their row houses. They've also put down deep roots as families, getting very involved in DCPS elementary schools, churches, Scouts etc. They see their homes as their forever houses. They walk to their workplaces, e.g. lawmakers' offices, or commute from nearby Metro stations. They know that boundary rules aren't enforced, that the District will turn a blind eye if they don't follow thema because DCPS has much bigger fish to fry. Some pin their hopes on stabilizing their children's public-school path via middle-high school charters that their children wind up miserable at. J-R then becomes their best option for staying in their communities, so they do what's necessary to gain access. People like you can preach about how they should follow rules. But they've been alienated by the system and are unwilling to upend their lives to please the sanctimonious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Completely disagree. When relatives step in to help with NW rent, ordinary middle-class US government employee families sometimes swing these arrangements. These are longtime DC residents who lack acceptable middle and high schools because of the obnoxious political climate, nothing more. Where does your sanctimony get you? A special place in heaven?

We know a Ward 6 family renting a small place for McArthur. Good for them.

How long have you been in DC? A few years? A decade? We've been here more than 30 years and cheer parents who do what it takes to stay for their tax dollars.

If you have family who can help with rent on an apartment you don't even live in, then you have family who can help you afford a home IB for an acceptable school. In NW even!

I live on CH (for 20+ years, tyvm) -- it's fine. But there is no sane reason why someone unhappy with school options here needs to go to the trouble of renting a dummy apartment as evidence to back up their boundary fraud. All so their kids can attend a school they have to commute an hour both ways to? This is idiotic. Just move IB for J-R or McArthur. It's not a big deal, and it's within the rules.

I'm not angling for a "special place in heaven." I just know that creating rules and then not following it enforcing them is a sign of a broken society. DC actually goes out if it's way to give people options for public schools. The people you are talking about have more than most, as they have the resources to run some weird scam to get into a school across town. Instead, they should use those resources to find a option within the rules, like everyone else does.

It is a big deal for some DC families, a huge deal. Many longtime residents, particularly in the DC Historic Districts, have put incredible sweat equity into their row houses. They've also put down deep roots as families, getting very involved in DCPS elementary schools, churches, Scouts etc. They see their homes as their forever houses. They walk to their workplaces, e.g. lawmakers' offices, or commute from nearby Metro stations. They know that boundary rules aren't enforced, that the District will turn a blind eye if they don't follow thema because DCPS has much bigger fish to fry. Some pin their hopes on stabilizing their children's public-school path via middle-high school charters that their children wind up miserable at. J-R then becomes their best option for staying in their communities, so they do what's necessary to gain access. People like you can preach about how they should follow rules. But they've been alienated by the system and are unwilling to upend their lives to please the sanctimonious.

Spare me. They’re still cheats and liars. And the ones on the Hill who go on and on about how “Oh we put down such DEEP ROOTS here!” tend to be the most narcissistic. Generally they turn on a dime and move to NoVa “because it’s a better fit for our family!” But I can believe some also lie about their address.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Completely disagree. When relatives step in to help with NW rent, ordinary middle-class US government employee families sometimes swing these arrangements. These are longtime DC residents who lack acceptable middle and high schools because of the obnoxious political climate, nothing more. Where does your sanctimony get you? A special place in heaven?

We know a Ward 6 family renting a small place for McArthur. Good for them.

How long have you been in DC? A few years? A decade? We've been here more than 30 years and cheer parents who do what it takes to stay for their tax dollars.

If you have family who can help with rent on an apartment you don't even live in, then you have family who can help you afford a home IB for an acceptable school. In NW even!

I live on CH (for 20+ years, tyvm) -- it's fine. But there is no sane reason why someone unhappy with school options here needs to go to the trouble of renting a dummy apartment as evidence to back up their boundary fraud. All so their kids can attend a school they have to commute an hour both ways to? This is idiotic. Just move IB for J-R or McArthur. It's not a big deal, and it's within the rules.

I'm not angling for a "special place in heaven." I just know that creating rules and then not following it enforcing them is a sign of a broken society. DC actually goes out if it's way to give people options for public schools. The people you are talking about have more than most, as they have the resources to run some weird scam to get into a school across town. Instead, they should use those resources to find a option within the rules, like everyone else does.

It is a big deal for some DC families, a huge deal. Many longtime residents, particularly in the DC Historic Districts, have put incredible sweat equity into their row houses. They've also put down deep roots as families, getting very involved in DCPS elementary schools, churches, Scouts etc. They see their homes as their forever houses. They walk to their workplaces, e.g. lawmakers' offices, or commute from nearby Metro stations. They know that boundary rules aren't enforced, that the District will turn a blind eye if they don't follow thema because DCPS has much bigger fish to fry. Some pin their hopes on stabilizing their children's public-school path via middle-high school charters that their children wind up miserable at. J-R then becomes their best option for staying in their communities, so they do what's necessary to gain access. People like you can preach about how they should follow rules. But they've been alienated by the system and are unwilling to upend their lives to please the sanctimonious.

But they won’t go to their neighborhood schools. And they lie to get into schools in neighborhoods where other people HAVE invested in their neighborhood schools.

I know DCPS won’t do anything about it. That doesn’t make it right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Completely disagree. When relatives step in to help with NW rent, ordinary middle-class US government employee families sometimes swing these arrangements. These are longtime DC residents who lack acceptable middle and high schools because of the obnoxious political climate, nothing more. Where does your sanctimony get you? A special place in heaven?

We know a Ward 6 family renting a small place for McArthur. Good for them.

How long have you been in DC? A few years? A decade? We've been here more than 30 years and cheer parents who do what it takes to stay for their tax dollars.

If you have family who can help with rent on an apartment you don't even live in, then you have family who can help you afford a home IB for an acceptable school. In NW even!

I live on CH (for 20+ years, tyvm) -- it's fine. But there is no sane reason why someone unhappy with school options here needs to go to the trouble of renting a dummy apartment as evidence to back up their boundary fraud. All so their kids can attend a school they have to commute an hour both ways to? This is idiotic. Just move IB for J-R or McArthur. It's not a big deal, and it's within the rules.

I'm not angling for a "special place in heaven." I just know that creating rules and then not following it enforcing them is a sign of a broken society. DC actually goes out if it's way to give people options for public schools. The people you are talking about have more than most, as they have the resources to run some weird scam to get into a school across town. Instead, they should use those resources to find a option within the rules, like everyone else does.

It is a big deal for some DC families, a huge deal. Many longtime residents, particularly in the DC Historic Districts, have put incredible sweat equity into their row houses. They've also put down deep roots as families, getting very involved in DCPS elementary schools, churches, Scouts etc. They see their homes as their forever houses. They walk to their workplaces, e.g. lawmakers' offices, or commute from nearby Metro stations. They know that boundary rules aren't enforced, that the District will turn a blind eye if they don't follow thema because DCPS has much bigger fish to fry. Some pin their hopes on stabilizing their children's public-school path via middle-high school charters that their children wind up miserable at. J-R then becomes their best option for staying in their communities, so they do what's necessary to gain access. People like you can preach about how they should follow rules. But they've been alienated by the system and are unwilling to upend their lives to please the sanctimonious.

Spare me. They’re still cheats and liars. And the ones on the Hill who go on and on about how “Oh we put down such DEEP ROOTS here!” tend to be the most narcissistic. Generally they turn on a dime and move to NoVa “because it’s a better fit for our family!” But I can believe some also lie about their address.

I don't give a damn about their "deep roots" either. We live where we live to be in-bounds for the schools we want, and we have rented at ridiculous prices this whole time to get the schools right. We have had to move several times, and have put our sweat equity into crappy properties that aren't even ours.

I feel entitled to be sanctimonious about boundary cheats, rich or otherwise.

And you know that "deep roots" thing is exactly the justification that people in Ward 9 use for their residency fraud?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Completely disagree. When relatives step in to help with NW rent, ordinary middle-class US government employee families sometimes swing these arrangements. These are longtime DC residents who lack acceptable middle and high schools because of the obnoxious political climate, nothing more. Where does your sanctimony get you? A special place in heaven?

We know a Ward 6 family renting a small place for McArthur. Good for them.

How long have you been in DC? A few years? A decade? We've been here more than 30 years and cheer parents who do what it takes to stay for their tax dollars.

If you have family who can help with rent on an apartment you don't even live in, then you have family who can help you afford a home IB for an acceptable school. In NW even!

I live on CH (for 20+ years, tyvm) -- it's fine. But there is no sane reason why someone unhappy with school options here needs to go to the trouble of renting a dummy apartment as evidence to back up their boundary fraud. All so their kids can attend a school they have to commute an hour both ways to? This is idiotic. Just move IB for J-R or McArthur. It's not a big deal, and it's within the rules.

I'm not angling for a "special place in heaven." I just know that creating rules and then not following it enforcing them is a sign of a broken society. DC actually goes out if it's way to give people options for public schools. The people you are talking about have more than most, as they have the resources to run some weird scam to get into a school across town. Instead, they should use those resources to find a option within the rules, like everyone else does.

It is a big deal for some DC families, a huge deal. Many longtime residents, particularly in the DC Historic Districts, have put incredible sweat equity into their row houses. They've also put down deep roots as families, getting very involved in DCPS elementary schools, churches, Scouts etc. They see their homes as their forever houses. They walk to their workplaces, e.g. lawmakers' offices, or commute from nearby Metro stations. They know that boundary rules aren't enforced, that the District will turn a blind eye if they don't follow thema because DCPS has much bigger fish to fry. Some pin their hopes on stabilizing their children's public-school path via middle-high school charters that their children wind up miserable at. J-R then becomes their best option for staying in their communities, so they do what's necessary to gain access. People like you can preach about how they should follow rules. But they've been alienated by the system and are unwilling to upend their lives to please the sanctimonious.

You cannot argue on one hand that your neighborhood and connection to your community is so sacred you couldn't possibly move across town, and then argue that your only choice to preserve that connection is to send your child to HS an hour away, where all their friends and activities will now be located.

"Forever home"? What, are you a 5 yr old who doesn't understand how the world works? First nothing is stopping you from renting your house out for four years if you really don't want to sell it. Second, sorry you can't have everything you want in life with no compromise? People sacrifice for their kids' education. Sometimes it might mean moving out of a house you love because it's IB for a HS that you've decided isn't good enough for your kid.

This is all just a bunch of lame excuses that don't hold up to any scrutiny. It all translates to "I just think we're so special the rules don't apply to us." Blah blah blah, shut up. You are crappy people setting a terrible example for your aggressively mediocre kids. Bad neighbors, bad parents. No one cares about the "sweat equity" you put into your townhouse, you sound like a child throwing a tantrum at the candy store because you can't have an even bigger bag of candy than the 10 lb bag you already consumed. "It's not fair! This candy store has failed me! I have no choice but to steal candy!" Grow. Up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Completely disagree. When relatives step in to help with NW rent, ordinary middle-class US government employee families sometimes swing these arrangements. These are longtime DC residents who lack acceptable middle and high schools because of the obnoxious political climate, nothing more. Where does your sanctimony get you? A special place in heaven?

We know a Ward 6 family renting a small place for McArthur. Good for them.

How long have you been in DC? A few years? A decade? We've been here more than 30 years and cheer parents who do what it takes to stay for their tax dollars.

If you have family who can help with rent on an apartment you don't even live in, then you have family who can help you afford a home IB for an acceptable school. In NW even!

I live on CH (for 20+ years, tyvm) -- it's fine. But there is no sane reason why someone unhappy with school options here needs to go to the trouble of renting a dummy apartment as evidence to back up their boundary fraud. All so their kids can attend a school they have to commute an hour both ways to? This is idiotic. Just move IB for J-R or McArthur. It's not a big deal, and it's within the rules.

I'm not angling for a "special place in heaven." I just know that creating rules and then not following it enforcing them is a sign of a broken society. DC actually goes out if it's way to give people options for public schools. The people you are talking about have more than most, as they have the resources to run some weird scam to get into a school across town. Instead, they should use those resources to find a option within the rules, like everyone else does.

It is a big deal for some DC families, a huge deal. Many longtime residents, particularly in the DC Historic Districts, have put incredible sweat equity into their row houses. They've also put down deep roots as families, getting very involved in DCPS elementary schools, churches, Scouts etc. They see their homes as their forever houses. They walk to their workplaces, e.g. lawmakers' offices, or commute from nearby Metro stations. They know that boundary rules aren't enforced, that the District will turn a blind eye if they don't follow thema because DCPS has much bigger fish to fry. Some pin their hopes on stabilizing their children's public-school path via middle-high school charters that their children wind up miserable at. J-R then becomes their best option for staying in their communities, so they do what's necessary to gain access. People like you can preach about how they should follow rules. But they've been alienated by the system and are unwilling to upend their lives to please the sanctimonious.

Talk about sanctimonious. Look for every person that cheats, and that apparently includes you, there is someone who is cheated. That's who you should feel badly for -- the child that you screwed over.

[Anonymous]

Another point of contention here- what makes you so sure that this family didn't get a seat in the lottery? The lottery data is reported by the schools and is not entirely accurate. For example, my son was #2 on a waitlist this year, got offered a spot and we received a lot of pressure to decide quickly because of other kids on the list. We turned the spot down. This was in May. As of the new August data, that school shows one waitlist spot offered, when it was at least three. It seems entirely possible to me that this family is constantly talking about their lottery luck because they know it seems improbable and people are judgey.

[Anonymous]

No, I'm not a cheater. But I understand the phenomenon after 30 years in Ward 6 and a decade in DCPS.

This has become a pointless thread. Super judgmental without being grounded in reality or focused on identifying the practical changes necessary to beat back the culture of cheating.

[Anonymous]

Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, I'm not a cheater. But I understand the phenomenon after 30 years in Ward 6 and a decade in DCPS.

This has become a pointless thread. Super judgmental without being grounded in reality or focused on identifying the practical changes necessary to beat back the culture of cheating.

How about people quit justifying their cheating and act like actually responsible, moral citizens?

[Anonymous]

DC natives feel like they provide an amenity that justifies their not being bound by laws, custom, shame, or any constraint.

This is made ironic by the fact that if we removed all the “DC Natives” from DC, quality of life would improve tremendously. Our schools would be palaces of learning with incredible test scores, our streets would be safe, and there essentially wouldn’t be poverty.

Mind you, this would mean my kids and I wouldn’t live here anymore but that’s a price worth paying.