I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I am one of the rare Democrats who correctly predicted Trump’s win in spring of 2016 and again in 2024.

What OP is getting at is directionally correct (the disillusionment with the status quo, for rise of populism) but where I think she is wrong is that as of yet, I don’t see that somewhat leftward populist shift reflecting in national election outcomes. The critical voters that Democrats need in swing states do not trust the Democratic Party at all, and certainly don’t see Democrats as any sort of “good guy.”

Democrats have an enormous trust hole to dig themselves out of before they can win national elections again. The voters they need see them as liars right now.

I am watching a few Democratic candidates around the country who show promise, although I think a party that relies on the lightning in a bottle that was Obama is ultimately doomed. But the situation isn’t entirely hopeless. Someone who can capitalize on what OP is observing without being tainted by the deep trust issues the party has would have a good shot.

I’m not as pessimistic. To be cynical, there are only two national parties, and always will be. Even if people distrust Democrats (and I’m not sure that’s true), they’ll still vote blue in order to to kick out the vastly more unpopular Trump.

PP here. Why on earth do you think Trump is more unpopular than the Democrats? There is no polling that shows that now. Polls now show Trump is unpopular but the Democratic Party is even more unpopular.

And I don’t know how you can’t see how distrusted the Democrats are at this point, but this is the same smug complacency that lost the presidency in 2024. I find it incredibly frustrating, because if you’d just open your eyes (where you refers to Democrats more generally), maybe we’d have a shot at winning again.

Trump is losing all demographics in polling right now except gen x. And he keeps digging himself in a bigger hole everyday with his crazy, erratic tweets, alienating us further from our allies, implementing very unpopular policies, etc, etc!

Do not see that helping Rs in the mid terms and beyond.

How do you figure?


Job approval for congressional Democrats hits all-time low: ‘Flat out terrible’
July 17, MSN

The job approval rating for congressional Democrats has plunged to another all-time low, with fewer than 2 in 10 Americans happy with their work on Capitol Hill.

Only 19% of registered voters approve of the way Democrats in Congress are handling their job, a Quinnipiac University Poll released Wednesday found.

The dismal rating for congressional Dems is the lowest ever recorded by the pollster, which first began asking the question in 2009.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/job-approval-for-congressional-democrats-hits-all-time-low-flat-out-terrible/ar-AA1IKeYG

I'm fairly confident you don't know what this means at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 95% sure the House will flip in 2026.

I'm 50-50 on the Senate, but it's possible if Susan Collins retires and Roy Cooper runs for Tom Tillis's seat in NC.

If there are free and fair elections, then sure. But given the expansion of ICe and the probability that key precincts will be blocked from election day and early voting and the destruction of the USPS to allow for mail in votes, I give it a less than 50% chance.

I’m sick of this obeying in advance. We fight for fair elections. Get in the streets. Sign up to be a poll worker. Dems need to fight for this, instead of throwing up their hands.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm OP and I actually read through this entire thread, and pleasantly surprised that many of you actually read it and got my point. However, some obviously only read the title and the first sentence and immediately got to the conclusion that I must mean leftward shift = pro-Democrat, like Obama in 2008. That is absolutely not what I mean. The Democratic Establishment is going the way of the dinosaurs and the more they try to fight that the more they will lose. I also don't mean "liberal" or "woke." I mean anti-capitalist. Even if not outright supporting socialism, people HATE big business, Wall Street, the financial class, and increasingly, Silicon Valley and the Tech Oligarchs. So "left" might even be a misnomer since the populist right feels this way too.

Take this Washington Post article on Trump-Mamdani voters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2025/07/18/donald-trump-zohran-mamdani-voters-new-york/

It's DCUM that lives in a bubble that thinks that most Americans yearn for moderate, pro-business, pro-corporate politicians. Sure, they probably want someone more moderate on immigration, law and order, trans issues. They do not want a mealy-mouth centrist when it comes to corporations. It's not even about wanting more government "handouts," they want less corporate influence on government and more importantly, less corporate "handouts." People don't believe that America is a meritocracy or that the American Dream is attainable with hard work anymore.

I think this is true among Gen Z, who have significantly higher rates of mental illness compared to other generations: https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/gen-z

Despite the fact that they live in the safest, most prosperous, most liberated time in all of history, they irrationally conclude that the very social institutions that ushered in this golden era need to be torn down and replaced with medieval styles of governance.

Capitalism did not cause your problem. Your thoughts are causing your problem. The idea that you're being oppressed during the most free time for any humans ever-- is objectively irrational. Revolution will not help and you all are way too soft and mentally ill to handle the hardships and disease that would follow.

Spoken like a true MAGA! Pure drivel. Have you not heard that the felon is itching to go back to the “golden age?” I think he means the gilded age and that’s certainly indicative of his policies.

Though I applaud your misguided use of CBT. For it to work properly, you need to start with factual circumstances. The irony is that you’re also a victim of your fearful thoughts.

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Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

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Anonymous wrote:I am not seeing this OP. Be cautious you are not in an echo chamber and missing a silent majority.

FWIW I would vote for anyone moderate.

+1 I think most would.

DP. No they wouldn’t. That’s how Trump keeps winning.

Biden campaigned as a moderate but governed as a far-left progressive. In 2024, nobody trusted the Democrats any more when they claimed to be moderate as it was obviously a lie.

How did he govern as a far left progressive? He barely did anything despite claiming he would do progressive things like universal pre-K etc. He did very, very little at all.

These people claiming that Biden was any kind of progressive are quite insane. He ruled firmed for the center while giving republicans pretty much whatever that wanted. At best we didn’t move either left or right.

Biden was off the chart progressive on the second most important issue to US voters in 2024

Biden and Democrats Priorities

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refuses to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helps US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposes to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

5. Biden allowed millions of illegal aliens to flood the country. Pelosi and Schumer were in cahoots on this plan .

Ah so you don’t know what progressive is. All of this benefits big business by supplying cheap labor. There is nothing remotely progressive about anything you listed. Also Schumer and Pelosi are not progressives!

That PP is ridiculous. I don’t want to hear another MAGA talk about e-verify ever again! Did they bury their heads when it was found a small fraction of the felon’s properties used e-verify and after that expose came out he quietly dismantled the program. MAGA is delusional.

The felon has used illegal immigrants his entire career and does not want it to go away, nor do his friends after their recent ballyhooing.

Democrats need to become the party of labor again.

Why is this so hard for urban elites to understand?

Come on. You are not serious. Joe Biden went all in for labor and the unions. He stood on the lines with him and had his DOL fully support him. Kamala as well. The union stuck Kamala in the back and twisted the knife. Ef em. I hope they FAFO. They were so in love with the Orangeman rough mafia persona that they voted against their own interests. And this is after Biden and Harris supported the teamsters contract negotiations at UPS, Starbucks and more to the detriment of shareholders. The union got their contracts, thanks to Biden’s support and those stocks have never been the same. Also, jobs were cut.

This is so typical of the attitude of DCUM Democrats and why you lose over and over, and why the rest of the country, Democrats and Republicans alike, despise you.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to stop thinking about this in terms of right or left along an x axis. They are both beholden to the capitalist economic machine that exploits poor and POC and benefits UC and UMC whites. We need a new party. I’m not going to say “moderate” or “centrist” because then we are still stuck on the x axis with no real change. Dems just used causes to gain support but did not really do anything to transform the position and power of workers and families.

However, an effective third party for Workers and Families, needs to focus on real economic issues and not get involved in things like extreme gender ideology or abortion positions. And it needs to not be led by people who live in bubbles and love echo chambers.

Socially conservative and fiscally liberal is fertile ground that no one is currently serving.

It doesn’t even have to be socially conservative, just not the absolute far left insanity that passes for current Democratic social positions.

A party that recognizes that DEI is a tool of the elite designed to weaken the working class could be powerful.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not seeing this OP. Be cautious you are not in an echo chamber and missing a silent majority.

FWIW I would vote for anyone moderate.

+1 I think most would.

DP. No they wouldn’t. That’s how Trump keeps winning.

Biden campaigned as a moderate but governed as a far-left progressive. In 2024, nobody trusted the Democrats any more when they claimed to be moderate as it was obviously a lie.

How did he govern as a far left progressive? He barely did anything despite claiming he would do progressive things like universal pre-K etc. He did very, very little at all.

These people claiming that Biden was any kind of progressive are quite insane. He ruled firmed for the center while giving republicans pretty much whatever that wanted. At best we didn’t move either left or right.

Biden was off the chart progressive on the second most important issue to US voters in 2024

Biden and Democrats Priorities

And yet it is the democrats that expand immigration which allows companies to stomp on workers , and they wonder why they lose Elections . Focus on US workers first and never lose.

1.Biden refuses to mandate e-verify. there is no reason to require corporations to hire US workers. -https://www.governing.com/work/e-verify-creates-loophole-for-undocumented-workers-employers.html

2.Biden helps US companies replace US workers with cheap foreign labor by expanding H1B - https://www.axios.com/2022/01/12/h1b-visa-approval-rate-tech-biden-immigration

3.Biden expanded OPT to new job categories, this helps companies replace US workers with cheap foreign indentured servants - https://www.fragomen.com/insights/united-states-white-house-announces-expansion-of-stem-opt-program-and-other-initiatives-to-attract-stem-talent.html

F1 - Legal system requires F-1 students to remain with employer for approximately 7-12 years

4.Biden proposes to create brand new W-1 visa with unlimited Green Cards, because we mythically don't have enough workers in the US, we devalued a master with H1B, and now we will devalue PhDs with W-1 visas - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2022/01/27/house-adds-game-changing-visas-for-immigrant-startups-and-phds/?sh=500faa1810be

5. Biden allowed millions of illegal aliens to flood the country. Pelosi and Schumer were in cahoots on this plan .

Ah so you don’t know what progressive is. All of this benefits big business by supplying cheap labor. There is nothing remotely progressive about anything you listed. Also Schumer and Pelosi are not progressives!

That PP is ridiculous. I don’t want to hear another MAGA talk about e-verify ever again! Did they bury their heads when it was found a small fraction of the felon’s properties used e-verify and after that expose came out he quietly dismantled the program. MAGA is delusional.

The felon has used illegal immigrants his entire career and does not want it to go away, nor do his friends after their recent ballyhooing.

Democrats need to become the party of labor again.

Why is this so hard for urban elites to understand?

Come on. You are not serious. Joe Biden went all in for labor and the unions. He stood on the lines with him and had his DOL fully support him. Kamala as well. The union stuck Kamala in the back and twisted the knife. Ef em. I hope they FAFO. They were so in love with the Orangeman rough mafia persona that they voted against their own interests. And this is after Biden and Harris supported the teamsters contract negotiations at UPS, Starbucks and more to the detriment of shareholders. The union got their contracts, thanks to Biden’s support and those stocks have never been the same. Also, jobs were cut.

This is so typical of the attitude of DCUM Democrats and why you lose over and over, and why the rest of the country, Democrats and Republicans alike, despise you.

It's not wrong though.

Unfortunately the GOP has built their base on the dumbest, most hateful people in America, and what you're describing is exactly what stupid people do when they are confronted with truths that they don't want to believe. Instead of listening to evidence and reason they get angry and lash out.

Is it true that telling idiots that they are idiots who got blatantly conned only makes them hate the people telling them that more? Yes, absolutely. Is it true that they are idiots who got blatantly conned? Also yes, absolutely.

Democrats are in a position, as always, where they have an impossible task of being the responsible adults who have to do the hard actions and say the hard truths in order to fix the mess Republicans create and improve this country for everyone, even the ones who hate them.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

Indoctrinating them with left wing propaganda about how the economy is failing the middle class, otherwise known as "telling them the truth"

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Anonymous wrote:I'm OP and I actually read through this entire thread, and pleasantly surprised that many of you actually read it and got my point. However, some obviously only read the title and the first sentence and immediately got to the conclusion that I must mean leftward shift = pro-Democrat, like Obama in 2008. That is absolutely not what I mean. The Democratic Establishment is going the way of the dinosaurs and the more they try to fight that the more they will lose. I also don't mean "liberal" or "woke." I mean anti-capitalist. Even if not outright supporting socialism, people HATE big business, Wall Street, the financial class, and increasingly, Silicon Valley and the Tech Oligarchs. So "left" might even be a misnomer since the populist right feels this way too.

Take this Washington Post article on Trump-Mamdani voters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2025/07/18/donald-trump-zohran-mamdani-voters-new-york/

It's DCUM that lives in a bubble that thinks that most Americans yearn for moderate, pro-business, pro-corporate politicians. Sure, they probably want someone more moderate on immigration, law and order, trans issues. They do not want a mealy-mouth centrist when it comes to corporations. It's not even about wanting more government "handouts," they want less corporate influence on government and more importantly, less corporate "handouts." People don't believe that America is a meritocracy or that the American Dream is attainable with hard work anymore.

I think this is true among Gen Z, who have significantly higher rates of mental illness compared to other generations: https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/gen-z

Despite the fact that they live in the safest, most prosperous, most liberated time in all of history, they irrationally conclude that the very social institutions that ushered in this golden era need to be torn down and replaced with medieval styles of governance.

Capitalism did not cause your problem. Your thoughts are causing your problem. The idea that you're being oppressed during the most free time for any humans ever-- is objectively irrational. Revolution will not help and you all are way too soft and mentally ill to handle the hardships and disease that would follow.

Spoken like a true MAGA! Pure drivel. Have you not heard that the felon is itching to go back to the “golden age?” I think he means the gilded age and that’s certainly indicative of his policies.

Though I applaud your misguided use of CBT. For it to work properly, you need to start with factual circumstances. The irony is that you’re also a victim of your fearful thoughts.

Which part do you dispute? That we live in the safest time period? The richest on a per capita basis? Or do you disagree with Gen Z's assessment of themselves as rattled with mental health conditions? Just calling this pure drivel isnt an argument. It's lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

Indoctrinating them with left wing propaganda about how the economy is failing the middle class, otherwise known as "telling them the truth"

People will swing left because they want reliable food, clothing and shelter and will not care if all three come from the government if it means not starving and freezing.

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Anonymous wrote:Just my observations here. I am seeing a leftward cultural shift that rivals that of the Great Recession. This time is different, it is certainly not a "woke" culture (which has been resoundingly rejected) but profoundly anti-capitalist and anti-corporate. It has populist elements that also appeal to the New Right.

For reference, I am a millennial married to a Gen-Xer with Gen Z stepchildren. All of us are gainfully employed...for now.

What I am seeing isn't necessarily Marxist or socialist (although the Bernie Sanders/AOC left still takes this label) and it isn't obvious across the board. Americans are still divided within the working class such that there is still strong resentment of people "below" you getting something that they didn't "earn," and there is still a (very healthy, IMO) distrust in Big Government and dislike of taxes. However, I am seeing a distrust in American capitalism and especially, corporations, at an all-time high, or at least since 2008.

Young people especially HATE this economy. They hate graduating with debt (and yes, even trade schools incur debt) and not finding a job, because of AI, offshoring, or companies just wanting to extract as much profit as they can with as few resources as they can get away with. They hate private equity buying up homes... and hospitals! They hate AI-generated rejection letters (for job postings that require multiple resume formats and cover letters and essays and all these hoops), and "Ghost Jobs," and benefits disappearing, and job security being a joke even when they did "the right thing" by majoring in STEM, etc.

Silicon Valley is no longer seen as a center of innovation, but as a center for global control, market manipulation, and just plain evil (for example, the latest trend in billionaires genetically designing their own offspring). More and more are seeing tech companies not as innovators but as exploiters, especially since the tech jobs with comfortable salaries are disappearing. If you aren't up there with Musk or Thiel, you're one of the peasants to their feudal lordships.

The anti-corporate sentiment extends to the cultural Right, too. They hate how corporations get away with hiring illegal immigrants, or the 2010s trend of "woke" virtue signaling capitalism. They hate fake virtue-signaling marketing campaigns and forced diversity.

Save for a few podcast bros that still salivate over cryptocurrency, most Gen Zs are turning anti-capitalist, in a uniquely modern way. It's really interesting to see. We're all tired of being scammed, rug pulled, hoodwinked, whatever you want to call it when you are told all your life to work hard and do the right thing only to be screwed over to no fault of your own.

Nah. Maybe in the urban areas but that is not the 'biggest shift".

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

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Anonymous wrote:Just my observations here. I am seeing a leftward cultural shift that rivals that of the Great Recession. This time is different, it is certainly not a "woke" culture (which has been resoundingly rejected) but profoundly anti-capitalist and anti-corporate. It has populist elements that also appeal to the New Right.

For reference, I am a millennial married to a Gen-Xer with Gen Z stepchildren. All of us are gainfully employed...for now.

What I am seeing isn't necessarily Marxist or socialist (although the Bernie Sanders/AOC left still takes this label) and it isn't obvious across the board. Americans are still divided within the working class such that there is still strong resentment of people "below" you getting something that they didn't "earn," and there is still a (very healthy, IMO) distrust in Big Government and dislike of taxes. However, I am seeing a distrust in American capitalism and especially, corporations, at an all-time high, or at least since 2008.

Young people especially HATE this economy. They hate graduating with debt (and yes, even trade schools incur debt) and not finding a job, because of AI, offshoring, or companies just wanting to extract as much profit as they can with as few resources as they can get away with. They hate private equity buying up homes... and hospitals! They hate AI-generated rejection letters (for job postings that require multiple resume formats and cover letters and essays and all these hoops), and "Ghost Jobs," and benefits disappearing, and job security being a joke even when they did "the right thing" by majoring in STEM, etc.

Silicon Valley is no longer seen as a center of innovation, but as a center for global control, market manipulation, and just plain evil (for example, the latest trend in billionaires genetically designing their own offspring). More and more are seeing tech companies not as innovators but as exploiters, especially since the tech jobs with comfortable salaries are disappearing. If you aren't up there with Musk or Thiel, you're one of the peasants to their feudal lordships.

The anti-corporate sentiment extends to the cultural Right, too. They hate how corporations get away with hiring illegal immigrants, or the 2010s trend of "woke" virtue signaling capitalism. They hate fake virtue-signaling marketing campaigns and forced diversity.

Save for a few podcast bros that still salivate over cryptocurrency, most Gen Zs are turning anti-capitalist, in a uniquely modern way. It's really interesting to see. We're all tired of being scammed, rug pulled, hoodwinked, whatever you want to call it when you are told all your life to work hard and do the right thing only to be screwed over to no fault of your own.

Silicon valley has become Majority of Indians , the most racist culture in the US

What a great outcome

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

The fact that Democrats are going to let conservative carnival barkers take over their economic message is just icing on the feckless cake that is the Democratic party run by a wealthy Boomer elite.

Just an amazing turn of events. Tucker sounds like Bernie Sanders and they are eating it up.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. So the fact that Republicans won the White House, House, Senate and more governorships is clearly an indication of a shift to the left. Survey says? NO. It is a clear rejection of the lurch to the left. Open your eyes…. Migration away from Blue states to Red is even more evidence as people are literally voting with their feet and their dollars. Private schools cannot meet the need as people flee disastrous public schools hijacked by unions. I mean honestly what are you even talking about. Good lord you are delusional.

Do you not understand the concept of time? OP is talking about now and elections in the near future.

More than half a year has passed since Election Day. Just about half a year has passed since January 20.

People rejected the Democrats and they see what the GOP has done with the chance to govern. As usual, it's total shit for everyone not in the 0.1%.

Biden and his open borders and dei stuff and the lies about his mental capacity have done damage on a level you can’t even comprehend. My teenagers openly mock democrats when they don’t think parents are listening. And this is with other kids whose parents are also democrats. It’s amazing.

Amazing that your teens are parroting inflammatory opinions they picked up online? Get back to us when they need to find a job or a place to live or a health insurance policy.

Maybe it’s not from online. Maybe my kids got sent home from school for 1.5 years due to Covid that they ended up getting anyway as did everyone they know. Maybe my kids are the ones who have had to hear endless talk about ged we and identity and are just over all the woke crap. And they know who peddles it. They do!! Maybe my daughter doesn’t like have boys dressed as girls on her soccer team. Maybe all the stupid stuff pushed by the left in lefty Fairfax county is actually backfiring. Maybe you are completely wrong that the culture is turning left when even immigrants support deporting illegals. Maybe the ONLY people who like these policies are rich people unaffected by them. I dunno. Or maybe it’s all from the internet. Maybe that’s it.

Since this definitely never happened, now we know you’re the one parroting inflammatory stuff you see online. Hopefully your kids stand a chance to learn to think critically when they’re young adults.

Right. Got it. You are one of those people who just deny that transgender people are even a thing anyone should worry about. And there you go providing yet another reason the Democrats are losing voters. You think we are stupid and you lie all the time.

You may not be stupid, but you’re sure not smart. You’re definitely afraid of your own shadow.

So we have now entered the part of the debate where you abandon any pretense of discussing issues and just attack your perceived opponent. So predictable. So, are you saying transgender people (mostly biological boys) crossing over to compete as their assuming gender (typically girls teams) and competing in high school and college sports is not a thing? It’s just something Republicans made up? Is that what you are saying? I just want to make sure I understand exactly what you are saying.

DP. I believe it happens. I don’t believe it is such a common occurrence that the PP’s kid had to deal with it in her soccer team. I believe the PP was employing hyperbole to try to make her kids seem
like victims.

My kids aren’t victims. They don’t view themselves that way and neither do I. But the decisions made about things that impact them actually do impact them. Whether that’s COVID protocols years ago, or how and what is taught in sex ed, and the use of pronouns, and the affinity group phenomoneon and yes, the ever present possibility that the girls team will suddenly have a boy. We absolutely have dealt with transgender boys (biological girl to trans boy) in some of our extracurriculars but it was not a sport. It’s not a fiction. It’s all real stuff and the young people don’t like all of it and have opinions and those are maturing into political opinions. That is my primary point. For a whole lot of reasons, democrats have lost the whole benefit of the doubt. When I was growing up, democrats were the nice guys. The caring guys. That is not the view of young people anymore. Democrats are now viewed as the judgy ones, the ones who tell kids how to feel and what to think. Kids know that if they disagree with democrats they will be punished. They have seen it in school and in social situations. Democrats are not seen as fun or interesting at all anymore. My children absolutely associate racism with democrats and that is a huge shock to me but it is 100% true. Particularly anti-Semitism. Half my family is life long democrat and the rest is independent and all of our friends have mostly voted blue. But go ahead and ignore me.

NP and my oldest is 17. He feels strongly that he is Republican and that for years in school he has been criticized if he has had any opinion different than the mainstream view. He absolutely feels Democrats in our area do not tolerate any type of diversity in religion (he is Catholic) or can have a conversation of anyone with different opinions without calling them hateful or racist. He can’t wait to leave for college. Who knows if he will always feel this way but I understand what you are saying.