Middlebury vs Tufts?

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Anonymous wrote:They are clearly not the best colleges in the country by a long shot. Both mid-range NESCAC schools with limited private prep school appeal. Middlebury has always been a waspy suburban magnet not really a growing demographic right now. Location is really remote. Tufts is a non Catholic non athletic version of BC decent school but not sure worth the money. If those 3 schools were stocks financial analysts would put a “Sell” rating on them.

You again. There are 4,000+ colleges in the country. Niche ranks them both within the top 50 (including colleges and universities). Forbes ranks them 51 and 52 (again in a ranking that includes lacs and National universities). US News ranks them in the top 40 in their respective categories.

Point to the doll and tell me where Tufts and Middlebury hurt you.

Loling at the use of rankings for two schools that will probably be ranked below 100 next year if their trajectories keep up.

[Anonymous]

Tufts is about as prestigious as Rutgers. Yes, US News agrees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are clearly not the best colleges in the country by a long shot. Both mid-range NESCAC schools with limited private prep school appeal. Middlebury has always been a waspy suburban magnet not really a growing demographic right now. Location is really remote. Tufts is a non Catholic non athletic version of BC decent school but not sure worth the money. If those 3 schools were stocks financial analysts would put a “Sell” rating on them.

You again. There are 4,000+ colleges in the country. Niche ranks them both within the top 50 (including colleges and universities). Forbes ranks them 51 and 52 (again in a ranking that includes lacs and National universities). US News ranks them in the top 40 in their respective categories.

Point to the doll and tell me where Tufts and Middlebury hurt you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never met a top student who listed either as their top choice. Middlebury is approximately named because it is in a middle of the NESCAC In terms of prestige way behind Amherst, Williams and Bowdoin. It’s the Colby of Vermont with a waspy. ll Bean vibe. Tufts has seen better days ranking has slipped and an easier version of Emory and liberal,

It’s fascinating to see the level of vitriol for both of these schools that’s on display here. These are two of the best colleges in the country and people act like they’re community colleges. Whatever makes you feel better about your school, I guess.

It's probably 1-2 people amplifying their grievance for some strange personal reason. Both these schools are held in high regard. Arguing any school down just makes people look silly and insecure.

one poster really hates that Midd overenrolled one year.

6 years in a row. Facts are stubborn things.

One poster is a paid Middlebury shill.

Over enrolled 6 years in a row? Could you point out your source for that? Earlier today a poster corrected your misstatements by simply pointing to the link that you posted as 'evidence'. What on earth did Middlebury do to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. In the real world, I know multiple finance/hedge fund extremely wealthy guys who have acknowledged respect for Tufts. One sent his kid there. Is it going to result in a red carpet being rolled out? Of course not, but it is more than sufficient.

I'm pretty sure that Ted Pick and John Waldron will vouch for Middlebury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. In the real world, I know multiple finance/hedge fund extremely wealthy guys who have acknowledged respect for Tufts. One sent his kid there. Is it going to result in a red carpet being rolled out? Of course not, but it is more than sufficient.

I'm pretty sure that Ted Pick and John Waldron will vouch for Middlebury.

And Jamie Dimon went to Tufts. Are we just looking up famous alumni now? This only proves that privilege begets privilege. Tufts and Middlebury are fine schools, but let's be honest, they are at best faux elite.

Since these schools are relatively selective, they do attract strong students who are also well-connected, which genuinely leads to success. So if you're rich and connected but not the brightest, Middlebury and Tufts will do just fine. The upside? Your kid will be in no danger of sitting next to a JUCO transfer or a 7th-year senior working their way through college.Sure, both schools toss out financial aid to a few students so they don't appear too elitist, but we all know the game.

Tufts, Middlebury, and other similar schools should just consider themselves Ivy League branch campuses. They're not quite the real thing, but you can convince yourself that they're what you really wanted all along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. In the real world, I know multiple finance/hedge fund extremely wealthy guys who have acknowledged respect for Tufts. One sent his kid there. Is it going to result in a red carpet being rolled out? Of course not, but it is more than sufficient.

I'm pretty sure that Ted Pick and John Waldron will vouch for Middlebury.

And Jamie Dimon went to Tufts. Are we just looking up famous alumni now? This only proves that privilege begets privilege. Tufts and Middlebury are fine schools, but let's be honest, they are at best faux elite.

Since these schools are relatively selective, they do attract strong students who are also well-connected, which genuinely leads to success. So if you're rich and connected but not the brightest, Middlebury and Tufts will do just fine. The upside? Your kid will be in no danger of sitting next to a JUCO transfer or a 7th-year senior working their way through college.Sure, both schools toss out financial aid to a few students so they don't appear too elitist, but we all know the game.

Tufts, Middlebury, and other similar schools should just consider themselves Ivy League branch campuses. They're not quite the real thing, but you can convince yourself that they're what you really wanted all along.

Tufts is a great school, as is Middlebury. Both are so close to the 'real thing' that the stats for 80% of the student bodies overlap with the T10 student bodies. I don't get the people who disparage Tufts or Middlebury on this thread especially the poster who seems to have lost their mind over Middlebury; they are way over the top.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never met a top student who listed either as their top choice. Middlebury is approximately named because it is in a middle of the NESCAC In terms of prestige way behind Amherst, Williams and Bowdoin. It’s the Colby of Vermont with a waspy. ll Bean vibe. Tufts has seen better days ranking has slipped and an easier version of Emory and liberal,

It’s fascinating to see the level of vitriol for both of these schools that’s on display here. These are two of the best colleges in the country and people act like they’re community colleges. Whatever makes you feel better about your school, I guess.

It's probably 1-2 people amplifying their grievance for some strange personal reason. Both these schools are held in high regard. Arguing any school down just makes people look silly and insecure.

one poster really hates that Midd overenrolled one year.

6 years in a row. Facts are stubborn things.

One poster is a paid Middlebury shill.

Over enrolled 6 years in a row? Could you point out your source for that? Earlier today a poster corrected your misstatements by simply pointing to the link that you posted as 'evidence'. What on earth did Middlebury do to you?

Took me 2 minutes. It’s right here for 5 years. Source is the college itself:
https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

This year, year 6, isn’t included on the chart; they have recently announced — after the admissions season, of course — that the “temporary” overenrollment is permanent. Here’s the link for that, which also outlines the budget crisis (something that has been going on for years). Source is the college newspaper:
https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2025/04/middlebury-slashes-budget-by-over-10-million-imposes-partial-hiring-freeze

As for “misstatements,” which there have been none — nor have any been “corrected” — anxiously awaiting your apology for yours. This intentional prevarication needs to end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. In the real world, I know multiple finance/hedge fund extremely wealthy guys who have acknowledged respect for Tufts. One sent his kid there. Is it going to result in a red carpet being rolled out? Of course not, but it is more than sufficient.

I'm pretty sure that Ted Pick and John Waldron will vouch for Middlebury.

And Jamie Dimon went to Tufts. Are we just looking up famous alumni now? This only proves that privilege begets privilege. Tufts and Middlebury are fine schools, but let's be honest, they are at best faux elite.

Since these schools are relatively selective, they do attract strong students who are also well-connected, which genuinely leads to success. So if you're rich and connected but not the brightest, Middlebury and Tufts will do just fine. The upside? Your kid will be in no danger of sitting next to a JUCO transfer or a 7th-year senior working their way through college.Sure, both schools toss out financial aid to a few students so they don't appear too elitist, but we all know the game.

Tufts, Middlebury, and other similar schools should just consider themselves Ivy League branch campuses. They're not quite the real thing, but you can convince yourself that they're what you really wanted all along.

Want defines faux elite? Is Williams faux elite? Bowdoin? Washington & Lee? Please enlighten us.

[Anonymous]

Tufts is tied with BC at 37 behind Ga Tech, UC-Irvine, UC Davis and UIllinois none of which are academic powerhouses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. In the real world, I know multiple finance/hedge fund extremely wealthy guys who have acknowledged respect for Tufts. One sent his kid there. Is it going to result in a red carpet being rolled out? Of course not, but it is more than sufficient.

I'm pretty sure that Ted Pick and John Waldron will vouch for Middlebury.

And Jamie Dimon went to Tufts. Are we just looking up famous alumni now? This only proves that privilege begets privilege. Tufts and Middlebury are fine schools, but let's be honest, they are at best faux elite.

Since these schools are relatively selective, they do attract strong students who are also well-connected, which genuinely leads to success. So if you're rich and connected but not the brightest, Middlebury and Tufts will do just fine. The upside? Your kid will be in no danger of sitting next to a JUCO transfer or a 7th-year senior working their way through college.Sure, both schools toss out financial aid to a few students so they don't appear too elitist, but we all know the game.

Tufts, Middlebury, and other similar schools should just consider themselves Ivy League branch campuses. They're not quite the real thing, but you can convince yourself that they're what you really wanted all along.

Tufts is a great school, as is Middlebury. Both are so close to the 'real thing' that the stats for 80% of the student bodies overlap with the T10 student bodies. I don't get the people who disparage Tufts or Middlebury on this thread especially the poster who seems to have lost their mind over Middlebury; they are way over the top.

Sure, they might have some stat overlap with actual elite institutions, but that conveniently ignores the reality that they're safety schools for students who couldn't make the Ivy cut. Most colleges have some overlap with the T10 as well.

If Tufts is so great, why can't it compete with other schools in Rhodes Scholarships? Middlebury has produced 16 Rhodes Scholars while Tufts has produced 4. Dartmouth (ranked 15th and similar in size to Tufts) has produced 63 Rhodes Scholars. If student statistics were the primary determinant of such achievements, and Tufts truly has 80% overlap with Top 10 schools, shouldn't its Rhodes Scholar count be closer to 50?

The claim that Tufts has 80% student stat overlap with Top 10 universities seems dubious. If the student populations are so similar academically, why such different outcomes for Rhodes Scholarships? This disparity suggests either that the student qualifications aren't as comparable as the statistics imply, or that Tufts does a poor job developing talent. I think it's both. I'm using an admittedly simplistic argument with only Rhodes Scholarships as a metric, but it's enough to show that comparing Tufts and its students to a T10 or T15 school is unrealistic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never met a top student who listed either as their top choice. Middlebury is approximately named because it is in a middle of the NESCAC In terms of prestige way behind Amherst, Williams and Bowdoin. It’s the Colby of Vermont with a waspy. ll Bean vibe. Tufts has seen better days ranking has slipped and an easier version of Emory and liberal,

It’s fascinating to see the level of vitriol for both of these schools that’s on display here. These are two of the best colleges in the country and people act like they’re community colleges. Whatever makes you feel better about your school, I guess.

It's probably 1-2 people amplifying their grievance for some strange personal reason. Both these schools are held in high regard. Arguing any school down just makes people look silly and insecure.

one poster really hates that Midd overenrolled one year.

6 years in a row. Facts are stubborn things.

One poster is a paid Middlebury shill.

Over enrolled 6 years in a row? Could you point out your source for that? Earlier today a poster corrected your misstatements by simply pointing to the link that you posted as 'evidence'. What on earth did Middlebury do to you?

Took me 2 minutes. It’s right here for 5 years. Source is the college itself:
https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

This year, year 6, isn’t included on the chart; they have recently announced — after the admissions season, of course — that the “temporary” overenrollment is permanent. Here’s the link for that, which also outlines the budget crisis (something that has been going on for years). Source is the college newspaper:
https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2025/04/middlebury-slashes-budget-by-over-10-million-imposes-partial-hiring-freeze

As for “misstatements,” which there have been none — nor have any been “corrected” — anxiously awaiting your apology for yours. This intentional prevarication needs to end.

200 kids - across 4 years - is hardly a huge deal. it's 50 kids a class. and yet you bring it up again and again.

also, they broke ground of a 150 room/300 student dorm back in 2023. which would have to have been planned at least 2-3 prior. so sounds like thy were preparing to house 300 more kids.

https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2024/11/going-on-site-our-tour-of-the-new-first-year-dorm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. In the real world, I know multiple finance/hedge fund extremely wealthy guys who have acknowledged respect for Tufts. One sent his kid there. Is it going to result in a red carpet being rolled out? Of course not, but it is more than sufficient.

I'm pretty sure that Ted Pick and John Waldron will vouch for Middlebury.

And Jamie Dimon went to Tufts. Are we just looking up famous alumni now? This only proves that privilege begets privilege. Tufts and Middlebury are fine schools, but let's be honest, they are at best faux elite.

Since these schools are relatively selective, they do attract strong students who are also well-connected, which genuinely leads to success. So if you're rich and connected but not the brightest, Middlebury and Tufts will do just fine. The upside? Your kid will be in no danger of sitting next to a JUCO transfer or a 7th-year senior working their way through college.Sure, both schools toss out financial aid to a few students so they don't appear too elitist, but we all know the game.

Tufts, Middlebury, and other similar schools should just consider themselves Ivy League branch campuses. They're not quite the real thing, but you can convince yourself that they're what you really wanted all along.

Tufts is a great school, as is Middlebury. Both are so close to the 'real thing' that the stats for 80% of the student bodies overlap with the T10 student bodies. I don't get the people who disparage Tufts or Middlebury on this thread especially the poster who seems to have lost their mind over Middlebury; they are way over the top.

Sure, they might have some stat overlap with actual elite institutions, but that conveniently ignores the reality that they're safety schools for students who couldn't make the Ivy cut. Most colleges have some overlap with the T10 as well.

If Tufts is so great, why can't it compete with other schools in Rhodes Scholarships? Middlebury has produced 16 Rhodes Scholars while Tufts has produced 4. Dartmouth (ranked 15th and similar in size to Tufts) has produced 63 Rhodes Scholars. If student statistics were the primary determinant of such achievements, and Tufts truly has 80% overlap with Top 10 schools, shouldn't its Rhodes Scholar count be closer to 50?

The claim that Tufts has 80% student stat overlap with Top 10 universities seems dubious. If the student populations are so similar academically, why such different outcomes for Rhodes Scholarships? This disparity suggests either that the student qualifications aren't as comparable as the statistics imply, or that Tufts does a poor job developing talent. I think it's both. I'm using an admittedly simplistic argument with only Rhodes Scholarships as a metric, but it's enough to show that comparing Tufts and its students to a T10 or T15 school is unrealistic.

The Rhodes is considered by state, with candidates in states with fewer colleges being advantaged, so direct comparisons, such as those you made, are invalid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never met a top student who listed either as their top choice. Middlebury is approximately named because it is in a middle of the NESCAC In terms of prestige way behind Amherst, Williams and Bowdoin. It’s the Colby of Vermont with a waspy. ll Bean vibe. Tufts has seen better days ranking has slipped and an easier version of Emory and liberal,

It’s fascinating to see the level of vitriol for both of these schools that’s on display here. These are two of the best colleges in the country and people act like they’re community colleges. Whatever makes you feel better about your school, I guess.

It's probably 1-2 people amplifying their grievance for some strange personal reason. Both these schools are held in high regard. Arguing any school down just makes people look silly and insecure.

one poster really hates that Midd overenrolled one year.

6 years in a row. Facts are stubborn things.

One poster is a paid Middlebury shill.

Over enrolled 6 years in a row? Could you point out your source for that? Earlier today a poster corrected your misstatements by simply pointing to the link that you posted as 'evidence'. What on earth did Middlebury do to you?

Took me 2 minutes. It’s right here for 5 years. Source is the college itself:
https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

This year, year 6, isn’t included on the chart; they have recently announced — after the admissions season, of course — that the “temporary” over enrollment is permanent. Here’s the link for that, which also outlines the budget crisis (something that has been going on for years). Source is the college newspaper:
https://www.middleburycampus.com/article/2025/04/middlebury-slashes-budget-by-over-10-million-imposes-partial-hiring-freeze

As for “misstatements,” which there have been none — nor have any been “corrected” — anxiously awaiting your apology for yours. This intentional prevarication needs to end.

Look at your chart you. Covid hit and it takes four years to flow through the system. They acknowledged the overshoot and specifically said that they decided not to penalize the following classes because of 2021. That means that the the number will stayed high for 4 years. 238 Febs graduated this year instead of the normal 120-125 so it just dropped by 125. Also they are increasing to 2600-2650 so they are only going up by 70 or so based on their traditional numbers. You post these articles without bothering to read them and you make yourself look foolish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tufts is tied with BC at 37 behind Ga Tech, UC-Irvine, UC Davis and UIllinois none of which are academic powerhouses.

This proves how stupid rankings and people who put stock in rankings are.

Bottom line - both great schools. No, they are not Ivies. But they are very good. The hyperbole of those who are totally hating on them is childish. I have no idea why there are so many dumb people here who go so far overboard in their criticism. Guessing most of them are SE Montana Community College dropouts posting from their mom's basement. It would be nice if people had to state their credentials when opining so strongly these things.