If you applied to colleges outside the US, why?

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Anonymous wrote:Better education at a better price point. It really is that simple.

What makes the education better?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)[b]
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

Depends on the country, and having an EU passport.

Also an EU passport won't help you in the UK (unless Irish) but also, see comment about residency. I know a UK citizen who is still paying overseas fees since she grew up in thr US.

Exactly. I have two kids in UK colleges. They were born in the UK to UK parents and have UK and US passports. We raised them in the US. Unless they had spent the last 3 yrs living and schooling in the UK they qualify as International Students. This is very hard to circumnavigate.

Home school them. Do the paperwork for both the UK and your US state. Have them sit A levels and APs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)[b]
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

The $100K figure was only for certain majors at Oxford. International tuition and fees for most top ranked UK universities is considerably less than at Oxford.

International tuition at the only other top ranked UK uni is not significantly less.

So you think Oxford and Cambridge are the only UK universities worth considering? If so, then I guess you think HYPSM are the only ones to consider in the U.S.?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

The $100K figure was only for certain majors at Oxford. International tuition and fees for most top ranked UK universities is considerably less than at Oxford.

International tuition at the only other top ranked UK uni is not significantly less.

[b]So you think Oxford and Cambridge are the only UK universities worth considering? If so, then I guess you think HYPSM are the only ones to consider in the U.S.?

No one said that. Stop being a jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:Overseas admission is much more straightforward than US admission. This test score and this GPA gets you in and if you're not at that line, too bad.

That's why Canadian schools were recommended to kids at my high school (in NY) that had decent scores but little to no ECs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

The $100K figure was only for certain majors at Oxford. International tuition and fees for most top ranked UK universities is considerably less than at Oxford.

International tuition at the only other top ranked UK uni is not significantly less.

[b]So you think Oxford and Cambridge are the only UK universities worth considering? If so, then I guess you think HYPSM are the only ones to consider in the U.S.?

No one said that. Stop being a jerk.

The point is that focusing on the cost of Oxford and Cambridge (which educate no more than 1% of UK university students) is a red herring; there are a number of highly regarded UK universities that cost considerably less than those two universities and that provide an excellent education.

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And there are highly regarded universities in other countries than the UK, which are considerably cheaper.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)[b]
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

The $100K figure was only for certain majors at Oxford. International tuition and fees for most top ranked UK universities is considerably less than at Oxford.

International tuition at the only other top ranked UK uni is not significantly less.

So you think Oxford and Cambridge are the only UK universities worth considering? If so, then I guess you think HYPSM are the only ones to consider in the U.S.?

PP used the word "top", not me. Berkeley, Caltech, and maybe also Williams/Amherst/Mudd/UChicago are what I would consider "top". I do not think only "top" schools are the ones to consider.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

Depends on the country, and having an EU passport.

Also an EU passport won't help you in the UK (unless Irish) but also, see comment about residency. I know a UK citizen who is still paying overseas fees since she grew up in thr US.

Exactly. [b]I have two kids in UK colleges. They were born in the UK to UK parents and have UK and US passports. We raised them in the US. Unless they had spent the last 3 yrs living and schooling in the UK they qualify as International Students. This is very hard to circumnavigate.

Home school them. Do the paperwork for both the UK and your US state. Have them sit A levels and APs.

Your own homeschooling didn't include reading comprehension, I note.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)[b]
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

Depends on the country, and having an EU passport.

Also an EU passport won't help you in the UK (unless Irish) but also, see comment about residency. I know a UK citizen who is still paying overseas fees since she grew up in thr US.

Exactly. I have two kids in UK colleges. They were born in the UK to UK parents and have UK and US passports. We raised them in the US. Unless they had spent the last 3 yrs living and schooling in the UK they qualify as International Students. This is very hard to circumnavigate.

Similar. But the rules aren’t hard and fast. Some universities will offer home fees and I guess that might be if they want to attract a particular candidate. I know this was the case for two British families in DC. But you won’t know this is advance.

What you're talking about is special circumstances. I know about that because I benefitted myself with a grad degree and paid "home fees" as a "trailing spouse". you have to show repeat travel history to the UK / a family address in the UK where you always stay and confirm the fact that if your DH were not working in the US you'd all live in the UK. It's a long form. We considered this route but since Covid had done very little travel to the UK and had lost both my parents (and with them, the family address).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)[b]
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

Depends on the country, and having an EU passport.

Also an EU passport won't help you in the UK (unless Irish) but also, see comment about residency. I know a UK citizen who is still paying overseas fees since she grew up in thr US.

Exactly. I have two kids in UK colleges. They were born in the UK to UK parents and have UK and US passports. We raised them in the US. Unless they had spent the last 3 yrs living and schooling in the UK they qualify as International Students. This is very hard to circumnavigate.

Similar. But the rules aren’t hard and fast. Some universities will offer home fees and I guess that might be if they want to attract a particular candidate. I know this was the case for two British families in DC. But you won’t know this is advance.

What you're talking about is special circumstances. I know about that because I benefitted myself with a grad degree and paid "home fees" as a "trailing spouse". you have to show repeat travel history to the UK / a family address in the UK where you always stay and confirm the fact that if your DH were not working in the US you'd all live in the UK. It's a long form. We considered this route but since Covid had done very little travel to the UK and had lost both my parents (and with them, the family address).

Actually, that’s not the case for the two kids I was thinking of. Think it may also have been due to the two kids doing courses which were not highly in demand so perhaps the universities were keen to ensure they had sufficient numbers. Imagine there would be no reason to do this for highly sought after courses.

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Anonymous wrote:Better education at a better price point. It really is that simple.

What makes the education better?

In most cases you need to demonstrate mastery of the subject through completion of problem sets or written exams, rather than completion of multiple choice tests.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious what motivates most applicants. Are there advantages? Or do you typically have a family reason?

DD is a couple years out, but we are considering a within-US move for in-state residency purposes and wondering what else to consider.

1. [url]Less expensive (even with the flights back and forth)
2. We have family in the other country our kids applied to

Not anymore it’s $100k a year read posts above.

Depends on the country, and having an EU passport.

Also an EU passport won't help you in the UK (unless Irish) but also, see comment about residency. I know a UK citizen who is still paying overseas fees since she grew up in thr US.

Exactly. [b]I have two kids in UK colleges. They were born in the UK to UK parents and have UK and US passports. We raised them in the US. Unless they had spent the last 3 yrs living and schooling in the UK they qualify as International Students. This is very hard to circumnavigate.

Home school them. Do the paperwork for both the UK and your US state. Have them sit A levels and APs.

Your own homeschooling didn't include reading comprehension, I note.

I wasn't homeschooled. I was just explaining how to get in state tuition in the US and home tuition at the UK by exploiting the lack of verification of homeschooling address. Not sure what, if anything, I missed.

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Anonymous wrote:Better education at a better price point. It really is that simple.

What makes the education better?

In most cases you need to demonstrate mastery of the subject through completion of problem sets or written exams, rather than completion of multiple choice tests.

I do not know of any US schools which use MCQs beyond the gen ed level.