Dallas cowboy cheerleader show - netflix

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Anonymous wrote:I watched this show with my teenage sons and daughter and I have to say my sons were shocked. I think depending on where you live it’s possible for teen boys to not truly have a good handle on how incredibly eff-ed up gender dynamics can be in this country even now. This show appalled all of us( while also being a fun watch, somehow.)

On another note, we spent a lot of time talking about whether the dcc org knew/knows how villainous they come across. My thought is no.

The filmaker was obviously trying to make them look villainous. In the very first shot of Kelly, she was frowning and narrowing her eyes. Evil personified. I watched a few episodes of the CMT documentary and thought she came off as tough, but fair, and empathetic with the girls when they were cut. This doc went out of the way to make her look mean. During the scene where they were watching the videos, 80% of the comments shown were negative, when they obviously invited a large group of girls to try out. Small decisions in editing can make a huge difference in how people come off to the first time viewer.

Agree that it’s deliberate.
Kelli is a good person who has an extremely tough job that she executes brilliantly and with compassion.
The CMT Making the Team series respects her.
This documentary was a hatchet job.
And the documentary crew does not seem to have any love for DCC at all.
America is a pretty big and diverse place. Texas has its own culture and outward and visible open faith in God is definitely a part of the culture that just doesnt resonate with big city people on the coasts.

Doesn’t really resonate with Jews and Catholics either. Or Hispanics.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been enjoying this series so far.

The organization and women work very hard at their 7pm practices. Most are like tall gymnasts not tiny dancers. Lots of hair and makeup. I must have missed that class somewhere along the line….

My SIL went to hs in Dallas and she said hair and makeup is really important for girls and women.

Is everyone’s skin so bad in that heat that they have to wear so much makeup every day?

It’s part of the culture. Not just in Texas but within the DCC organization.
They are told not to come to practice looking rough. They want them to be “performance ready” all the time. Part of their image is that the women represent the DCC “brand” ALL the time.
If they aren’t on board with that, they need not try out because it’s just not the right fit for them

The whole state goes out in full hair and makeup every day? Yikes.

I don’t have percentages, but if I had to guess, then I’d say from age 13 on, it’s about 85-90% for Texas women to be wearing makeup anytime the leave the house. This includes to go to the beach or pool or to the gym.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched this show with my teenage sons and daughter and I have to say my sons were shocked. I think depending on where you live it’s possible for teen boys to not truly have a good handle on how incredibly eff-ed up gender dynamics can be in this country even now. This show appalled all of us( while also being a fun watch, somehow.)

On another note, we spent a lot of time talking about whether the dcc org knew/knows how villainous they come across. My thought is no.

The filmaker was obviously trying to make them look villainous. In the very first shot of Kelly, she was frowning and narrowing her eyes. Evil personified. I watched a few episodes of the CMT documentary and thought she came off as tough, but fair, and empathetic with the girls when they were cut. This doc went out of the way to make her look mean. During the scene where they were watching the videos, 80% of the comments shown were negative, when they obviously invited a large group of girls to try out. Small decisions in editing can make a huge difference in how people come off to the first time viewer.

Agree that it’s deliberate.
Kelli is a good person who has an extremely tough job that she executes brilliantly and with compassion.
The CMT Making the Team series respects her.
This documentary was a hatchet job.
And the documentary crew does not seem to have any love for DCC at all.
America is a pretty big and diverse place. Texas has its own culture and outward and visible open faith in God is definitely a part of the culture that just doesnt resonate with big city people on the coasts.

Doesn’t really resonate with Jews and Catholics either. Or Hispanics.

Disagree about not resonating with Hispanics or Catholics.
I had many Catholic friends growing up in Texas who are just as outward and devout about their faith and blend right in with the Protestant Jesus people.
Your statement would probably be more accurate about not resonating with Jews, but it is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been enjoying this series so far.

The organization and women work very hard at their 7pm practices. Most are like tall gymnasts not tiny dancers. Lots of hair and makeup. I must have missed that class somewhere along the line….

My SIL went to hs in Dallas and she said hair and makeup is really important for girls and women.

Is everyone’s skin so bad in that heat that they have to wear so much makeup every day?

It’s part of the culture. Not just in Texas but within the DCC organization.
They are told not to come to practice looking rough. They want them to be “performance ready” all the time. Part of their image is that the women represent the DCC “brand” ALL the time.
If they aren’t on board with that, they need not try out because it’s just not the right fit for them

The whole state goes out in full hair and makeup every day? Yikes.

I don’t have percentages, but if I had to guess, then I’d say from age 13 on, it’s about 85-90% for Texas women to be wearing makeup anytime the leave the house. This includes to go to the beach or pool or to the gym.

Do white Texas teen girls do ball teamsports in high school or is that not feminine enough?

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Quick question about Anna Kate and her sister: Anna Kate was living in her sister's studio with her - the handicapped Caroline - during training camp and they shared a bed. WHY did they have a big huge pillow in between them when they went to sleep at night? That struck me as so odd! If you're close enough to share a bed with someone you're close enough to not care if your body touches theirs in the middle of the night.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched this show with my teenage sons and daughter and I have to say my sons were shocked. I think depending on where you live it’s possible for teen boys to not truly have a good handle on how incredibly eff-ed up gender dynamics can be in this country even now. This show appalled all of us( while also being a fun watch, somehow.)

On another note, we spent a lot of time talking about whether the dcc org knew/knows how villainous they come across. My thought is no.

The filmaker was obviously trying to make them look villainous. In the very first shot of Kelly, she was frowning and narrowing her eyes. Evil personified. I watched a few episodes of the CMT documentary and thought she came off as tough, but fair, and empathetic with the girls when they were cut. This doc went out of the way to make her look mean. During the scene where they were watching the videos, 80% of the comments shown were negative, when they obviously invited a large group of girls to try out. Small decisions in editing can make a huge difference in how people come off to the first time viewer.

Agree that it’s deliberate.
Kelli is a good person who has an extremely tough job that she executes brilliantly and with compassion.
The CMT Making the Team series respects her.
This documentary was a hatchet job.
And the documentary crew does not seem to have any love for DCC at all.
America is a pretty big and diverse place. Texas has its own culture and outward and visible open faith in God is definitely a part of the culture that just doesnt resonate with big city people on the coasts.

Doesn’t really resonate with Jews and Catholics either. Or Hispanics.

Disagree about not resonating with Hispanics or Catholics.
I had many Catholic friends growing up in Texas who are just as outward and devout about their faith and blend right in with the Protestant Jesus people.
Your statement would probably be more accurate about not resonating with Jews, but it is what it is.

As a Catholic who grew up in Dallas, we had to be outward about our faith to fend off all the hand-laying and weeping about how we weren't "washed in the blood of the lamb" because we weren't "born again" from bizarre Protestant kids trying to trick us into going to church with them as a fun visit (complete with altar calls for conversion, by name that they apparently supplied the preacher with in advance, for the friends brought along to hear the "great band"). Don't speak about what you don't know - the God Malls and God Loves Dallas hoopla do not resonate with Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:Quick question about Anna Kate and her sister: Anna Kate was living in her sister's studio with her - the handicapped Caroline - during training camp and they shared a bed. WHY did they have a big huge pillow in between them when they went to sleep at night? That struck me as so odd! If you're close enough to share a bed with someone you're close enough to not care if your body touches theirs in the middle of the night.

I think it was to keep her from bumping Caroline's bad leg.

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Anonymous wrote:Quick question about Anna Kate and her sister: Anna Kate was living in her sister's studio with her - the handicapped Caroline - during training camp and they shared a bed. WHY did they have a big huge pillow in between them when they went to sleep at night? That struck me as so odd! If you're close enough to share a bed with someone you're close enough to not care if your body touches theirs in the middle of the night.

Handicapped? Yikes, poor choice of words. It's called an injury.

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Anonymous wrote:Quick question about Anna Kate and her sister: Anna Kate was living in her sister's studio with her - the handicapped Caroline - during training camp and they shared a bed. WHY did they have a big huge pillow in between them when they went to sleep at night? That struck me as so odd! If you're close enough to share a bed with someone you're close enough to not care if your body touches theirs in the middle of the night.

Handicapped? Yikes, poor choice of words. It's called an injury.

Actually it was elective surgery on a bad knee and hip or whatever.

Anyhow big sis and her AA friend played the role of the sarcastic worldly vets who are unemployed and directionless.

I know they’ll do fine and get a career going but what a trope in the show.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched this show with my teenage sons and daughter and I have to say my sons were shocked. I think depending on where you live it’s possible for teen boys to not truly have a good handle on how incredibly eff-ed up gender dynamics can be in this country even now. This show appalled all of us( while also being a fun watch, somehow.)

On another note, we spent a lot of time talking about whether the dcc org knew/knows how villainous they come across. My thought is no.

The filmaker was obviously trying to make them look villainous. In the very first shot of Kelly, she was frowning and narrowing her eyes. Evil personified. I watched a few episodes of the CMT documentary and thought she came off as tough, but fair, and empathetic with the girls when they were cut. This doc went out of the way to make her look mean. During the scene where they were watching the videos, 80% of the comments shown were negative, when they obviously invited a large group of girls to try out. Small decisions in editing can make a huge difference in how people come off to the first time viewer.

Agree that it’s deliberate.
Kelli is a good person who has an extremely tough job that she executes brilliantly and with compassion.
The CMT Making the Team series respects her.
This documentary was a hatchet job.
And the documentary crew does not seem to have any love for DCC at all.
America is a pretty big and diverse place. Texas has its own culture and outward and visible open faith in God is definitely a part of the culture that just doesnt resonate with big city people on the coasts.

Doesn’t really resonate with Jews and Catholics either. Or Hispanics.

Disagree about not resonating with Hispanics or Catholics.
I had many Catholic friends growing up in Texas who are just as outward and devout about their faith and blend right in with the Protestant Jesus people.
Your statement would probably be more accurate about not resonating with Jews, but it is what it is.

As a Catholic who grew up in Dallas, we had to be outward about our faith to fend off all the hand-laying and weeping about how we weren't "washed in the blood of the lamb" because we weren't "born again" from bizarre Protestant kids trying to trick us into going to church with them as a fun visit (complete with altar calls for conversion, by name that they apparently supplied the preacher with in advance, for the friends brought along to hear the "great band"). Don't speak about what you don't know - the God Malls and God Loves Dallas hoopla do not resonate with Catholics.

Agree. When we moved in we must have gotten invited to three separate after school Bible class study groups!
And we were doing CCd at Christ the King or St Rita’s and none of this stuff resonated with our religious foundation. So we passed, oh well.

If I want to hear a rally speech or live music band Sunday AM I’ll go to a real festival.

That said I don’t have an issue with a homily saying Go USA, or Go Rangers or Go Cowboys at the end. I like school spirit and all that.

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Anonymous wrote:Quick question about Anna Kate and her sister: Anna Kate was living in her sister's studio with her - the handicapped Caroline - during training camp and they shared a bed. WHY did they have a big huge pillow in between them when they went to sleep at night? That struck me as so odd! If you're close enough to share a bed with someone you're close enough to not care if your body touches theirs in the middle of the night.

Our kids do this when traveling. Keeps the bed hog on her side better.

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Anonymous wrote:Victoria has a Youtube channel. She posted a video the other day about wanting a boyfriend. I don't know how she's going to get one - she takes dance classes with all women, was a cheerleader with all women, and is now trying to join the Rockettes - again, all women.

Though she desperately wants to be on Dancing With the Stars to meet a man there. Though she's so high maintenance I don't know who'd have the patience for her. She also seems to think she's MUCH cuter than she actually is.

She needs to move and from and. It live with her mother.

To hear her father and brothers never once went to one of her dance shows or competitions for 15+ years to date was really sad.

+1 on her father and brothers. I can certainly see not going to every one - but none?! Ever?

I ended the series feeling really bad for Victoria. I think it finally dawned on me that the reason she can't connect with the other cheerleaders and isn't a group leader is because she actually doesn't want to be there. She thinks she does because it's all her mom ever talked about and she was basically raised to do it. I also got a bitter ender vibe from her - or I guess I recognized it. She can't quit because seeing things through is such an integral part of her personality.

I honestly feel concern for her. She is going to crack. She had that pasted on smile all the time but seems miserable.

I don't know. I so feel sorry for her, but I also think she's milking her role as victim and offering half-truths about many issues.

I listened to a podcast interviewing Victoria (the host was insufferable, by the way), and concluded that Victoria is a manipulator. During the podcast, she explained that her brothers were both athletes, who were involved in their own sports during the times when her major dance recitals took place. Her mom took her to dance; her dad handled the boys' sports. That's not that unusual in families where multiple children have time-consuming activities. She also explained that her father and brothers attend Cowboys games, so they have seen her dance there.

If you watched the season of MTT when she was cut, there was just something off with her. She was given the opportunity to work with another cheerleader/coach to help with diet issues, but she didn't want to do that. I don't have a problem with her declining the offer of help, but the way she did it was the problem. She basically ghosted the other woman and then played the victim when she got called out.

Then there's the birthday party situation. That scene in the Netflix doc was a Tennessee Williams tragedy. In the podcast, Victoria makes very vague claims that some sort of work-of-mouth invitations were given at an event that occurred earlier in the day the party was. Again, she wants to portray herself as the victim of DCC mean girls who didn't come to her party when even her account is unclear about whether the others knew about the party. Several cheerleaders have come out to say that they had no idea they had been invited to Victoria's party.

I do feel sorry for Victoria's struggles, which clearly stem from the oversized shadow her mother's DCC experience cast on her life. It was easy to see from the last seasons of MTT that she was dangerously thin, so it's great that she took time away to get healthy. But at some point, she can't be her best self until she's willing to engage in more self-reflection and honesty. Hopefully, that will come. Right now, she's still an emotional black hole in need of an exhausting level of validation, which will continue to make it next to impossible for her to form meaningful connections.

And yes, I have obviously thought about this way too much!

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I thought the Netflix show was well done and covered a range of topics in the program and some of the dancers’ lives.

I have not watched the other ones. Don’t think I will, but maybe one episode to compare.

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Anonymous wrote:Victoria has a Youtube channel. She posted a video the other day about wanting a boyfriend. I don't know how she's going to get one - she takes dance classes with all women, was a cheerleader with all women, and is now trying to join the Rockettes - again, all women.

Though she desperately wants to be on Dancing With the Stars to meet a man there. Though she's so high maintenance I don't know who'd have the patience for her. She also seems to think she's MUCH cuter than she actually is.

She needs to move and from and. It live with her mother.

To hear her father and brothers never once went to one of her dance shows or competitions for 15+ years to date was really sad.

+1 on her father and brothers. I can certainly see not going to every one - but none?! Ever?

I ended the series feeling really bad for Victoria. I think it finally dawned on me that the reason she can't connect with the other cheerleaders and isn't a group leader is because she actually doesn't want to be there. She thinks she does because it's all her mom ever talked about and she was basically raised to do it. I also got a bitter ender vibe from her - or I guess I recognized it. She can't quit because seeing things through is such an integral part of her personality.

I honestly feel concern for her. She is going to crack. She had that pasted on smile all the time but seems miserable.

I don't know. I so feel sorry for her, but I also think she's milking her role as victim and offering half-truths about many issues.

I listened to a podcast interviewing Victoria (the host was insufferable, by the way), and concluded that Victoria is a manipulator. During the podcast, she explained that her brothers were both athletes, who were involved in their own sports during the times when her major dance recitals took place. Her mom took her to dance; her dad handled the boys' sports. That's not that unusual in families where multiple children have time-consuming activities. She also explained that her father and brothers attend Cowboys games, so they have seen her dance there.

If you watched the season of MTT when she was cut, there was just something off with her. She was given the opportunity to work with another cheerleader/coach to help with diet issues, but she didn't want to do that. I don't have a problem with her declining the offer of help, but the way she did it was the problem. She basically ghosted the other woman and then played the victim when she got called out.

Then there's the birthday party situation. That scene in the Netflix doc was a Tennessee Williams tragedy. In the podcast, Victoria makes very vague claims that some sort of work-of-mouth invitations were given at an event that occurred earlier in the day the party was. Again, she wants to portray herself as the victim of DCC mean girls who didn't come to her party when even her account is unclear about whether the others knew about the party. Several cheerleaders have come out to say that they had no idea they had been invited to Victoria's party.

I do feel sorry for Victoria's struggles, which clearly stem from the oversized shadow her mother's DCC experience cast on her life. It was easy to see from the last seasons of MTT that she was dangerously thin, so it's great that she took time away to get healthy. But at some point, she can't be her best self until she's willing to engage in more self-reflection and honesty. Hopefully, that will come. Right now, she's still an emotional black hole in need of an exhausting level of validation, which will continue to make it next to impossible for her to form meaningful connections.

And yes, I have obviously thought about this way too much!

DP. I appreciate your thoughts and agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Kelcey is beautiful and talented. Hope she finds a great job after DCC.

Kelcey works full time as a pediatric registered nurse in addition to DCC. She spoke about it in her interviews and there was a scene where she was taking care of a patient (home health for a medically fragile young girl).

She seems like the total package! Smart, gorgeous, talented, hard-working, big heart. I loved her- she was my favorite.

Reece is very pretty and a great dancer, but the baby voice got on my nerves as did all the religious talk. Couldn't tell if I was watching "Keep Sweet Pray and Obey" or a show about cheerleaders

I liked kelcwy but she the most flat affect when speaking, she seems drugged during her one one interviews. I also think she needs to think twice before marrying an out of work actor…