TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

Nine.

However the overall Asian student percent has gone done. The total number of seats were expanded, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. Why wilfully exclude the 1000+ declined Asian applicants from not receiving a single seat from the expanded seat quota?

You're making up fake data to be outraged about. The admissions roughly track the applicant pool. The admissions change was supposed to change interest in the school and increase the underrepresented applicants by geographic as well as racial and SES demographic. And it did. More underrepresented applicants applied and were admitted. That doesn't mean that the represented demographic was excluded.

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They were expanded the size of the class to minimize the impact on groups sending a lot of kids already while creating space for new groups to also go. That’s a positive thing.

Exactly.

They expanded the class to include more students from across the county. The “impact” to Asian students was almost negligent.

Nine fewer students on average.

Yes, but the composition of the class, including the Asian-Americans in it, will tend toward kids with less math background/less interest in math, which is not consistent with the purpose of a STEM magnet high school.

So some kids, including Asian kids, from middle schools that aren’t affluent “feeder” middle schools with extensive science offerings? The horror!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do some posters keep insisting on the old process used merit when everyone knows people are buying the answers?

Perhaps it happened in your head or not in reality? Even in your fictional land, why would people buy answers without the questions?

Can you dare tell us the seller's name?

[Anonymous]

TJ quota system is full of discrimination and shows what happens when a bunch of politically and ideology driven school board can make a mess of school system using tax payers dollars, because they can keep winning elections with fear mongering every time.
TJ is not longer the best STEM school. The current and previous school board as representative body of the schools does not have the competencies of academic rigor and mindset to make the schools body competitive. The SB clearly stated their goal for TJ is "equity" driven by their ideology and not equity in true sense is their mission.
We all elected them and are paying the price. We only get what we sow. Ideology driven school boards can't do anything better. That is a challenge with public school system. Unless the citizens can drive change where parents can control with school choice programs, school boards will be powerful and parents and students are just their pawns who pay taxes for SB members political careers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

Nine.

However the overall Asian student percent has gone done. The total number of seats were expanded, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. Why wilfully exclude the 1000+ declined Asian applicants from not receiving a single seat from the expanded seat quota?

You're making up fake data to be outraged about. The admissions roughly track the applicant pool. The admissions change was supposed to change interest in the school and increase the underrepresented applicants by geographic as well as racial and SES demographic. And it did. More underrepresented applicants applied and were admitted. That doesn't mean that the represented demographic was excluded.

+1
They were expanded the size of the class to minimize the impact on groups sending a lot of kids already while creating space for new groups to also go. That’s a positive thing.

Exactly.

They expanded the class to include more students from across the county. The “impact” to Asian students was almost negligent.

Nine fewer students on average.

Yes, but the composition of the class, including the Asian-Americans in it, will tend toward kids with less math background/less interest in math, which is not consistent with the purpose of a STEM magnet high school.

The Asian-Americans in the class of 2025 were comparatively from a less wealthy background than their predecessors. Indeed, it's been proven time and again here that the single largest beneficiary of the new admissions process was low-income Asian students.

Is your suggestion somehow that these students are less deserving of the opportunities that come from going to TJ?

I believe that preserving TJ as one of the top public high schools in the country requires that the kids in it be well prepared before they enter. We shouldn't care about their financials or their race but that they demonstrate a long-term profound interest in and ability in math. I'm not sure why people think messing with the success of a STEM high school with a stellar reputation is the place to redress whatever equity concerns there may be in the lower grades. FCPS can't fix every socioeconomic ill, and dumbing down admissions requirements for TJ is certainly not the answer.

[Anonymous]

Thank you to the SB for supporting this change in admissions to make TJ accessible to schools across the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This part is true.

"Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students”

If you didn’t enroll Algebra 1 in 7th grade, then it tells us that you failed to meet the benchmark score on the Iowa test and failed to achieve an advanced pass on the SOL. One thing FPCS knows for sure is that most of those students who enrolled in entry level math 7 honors are definitely non-Asian. Therefore, even without knowing your background, they do know where your background excels. They can recruit from just about any school across the county and be certain that those applicants who present Geometry HN or higher at the time of application are mostly likely Asians. So, skim from the bottom and not from the top. No need to rely exclusively on the applicants zip code. They can just look at the math course in 7th grade.

Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf

What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

[Anonymous]

What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

1. Your data just proves that admission is a quota system.
2. Folks admitted without Geo or Alg 2 shows bringing down the standards to accommodate mediocre
3. Drop in school ratings shows that TJ is hijacked by SB ideology driven, self-serving politics and not providing a platform talented and qualified kids to learn and be successful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ quota system is full of discrimination and shows what happens when a bunch of politically and ideology driven school board can make a mess of school system using tax payers dollars, because they can keep winning elections with fear mongering every time.
TJ is not longer the best STEM school. The current and previous school board as representative body of the schools does not have the competencies of academic rigor and mindset to make the schools body competitive. The SB clearly stated their goal for TJ is "equity" driven by their ideology and not equity in true sense is their mission.
We all elected them and are paying the price. We only get what we sow. Ideology driven school boards can't do anything better. That is a challenge with public school system. Unless the citizens can drive change where parents can control with school choice programs, school boards will be powerful and parents and students are just their pawns who pay taxes for SB members political careers.

STEM schools shouldn’t exist

/STEM professional

[Anonymous]

That’s why it happened to diversify and create equality.

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

[Anonymous]

I think that is exactly the goal. 15 percent of the United States is Asian so some say the class make up should be aligned to the gen pop.

Anonymous wrote:

What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

1. Your data just proves that admission is a quota system.
2. Folks admitted without Geo or Alg 2 shows bringing down the standards to accommodate mediocre
3. Drop in school ratings shows that TJ is hijacked by SB ideology driven, self-serving politics and not providing a platform talented and qualified kids to learn and be successful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf
What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

Yes it does tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:

California State University—Los Angeles. Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University, Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech, Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf
What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

Yes it does tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:

California State University—Los Angeles. Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University, Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech, Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

Nine.

However the overall Asian student percent has gone done. The total number of seats were expanded, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. Why wilfully exclude the 1000+ declined Asian applicants from not receiving a single seat from the expanded seat quota?

You're making up fake data to be outraged about. The admissions roughly track the applicant pool. The admissions change was supposed to change interest in the school and increase the underrepresented applicants by geographic as well as racial and SES demographic. And it did. More underrepresented applicants applied and were admitted. That doesn't mean that the represented demographic was excluded.

+1
They were expanded the size of the class to minimize the impact on groups sending a lot of kids already while creating space for new groups to also go. That’s a positive thing.

Exactly.

They expanded the class to include more students from across the county. The “impact” to Asian students was almost negligent.

Nine fewer students on average.

Very true also the old system was anything but merit since it rewarded those who could afford to buy the test answers which is hardly merit.

TJ high school going away from testing but the IVY league is returning to testing.

[Anonymous]

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

NINE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

NINE.

Were the Asian students racially discriminated and excluded from being considered for expanded seat quota, bringing their overall number from 73% to 54%?