Fairfax county pilot program to give 750 a month to low income families

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

I think you're posting on the wrong thread. This thread is about a Fairfax County pilot program where 180 randomly-selected families who meet the qualifying criteria will get an additional $750 a month for 15 months to spend as they think best.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

I think you're posting on the wrong thread. This thread is about a Fairfax County pilot program where 180 randomly-selected families who meet the qualifying criteria will get an additional $750 a month for 15 months to spend as they think best.

Nope. The FF program doesn't have citizenship requirements. Dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

And yet another failure to understand how privilege works from someone who thinks they pulled themselves up by the bootstraps by working hard (while the "hoodlums" were off having fun, lol).

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

It’s called an individual tax ID number, commonly used by undocumented immigrants to complete an I-9 and pay taxes. Maybe try doing a Google search before posting so confidently— https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-cec/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The zip codes are:

Richmond Highway, Alexandria; Ft. Belvoir/Mt Vernon, Alexandria; Reston,
Baileys Crossroads; Herndon; Annandale; Springfield/Franconia; Centerville; Chantilly.

Someone is on the take, and I do not mean the recipients of the $750. The county is trying to corral low income minorities to live in these areas. No one has a problem with this?

They already live here.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.

Also without immigration laws, of course - for immigrants from Europe. All immigration from Europe was legal immigration, until 1924. If you were coming from Asia, it was different, of course; your labor was welcome, but you yourself were not. And if you were coming from Africa, you had no rights a white person was bound to respect, even if you were not legally the property of someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

Were you stupid when someone pointed out to you that this country is completely different now from 1900 -1929 USA? Gas light much? What an idiotic post!

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Anonymous wrote:What a dumb idea. Must be election time soon. Let’s buy all the votes we can.

It's only 180 families

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.

Also without immigration laws, of course - for immigrants from Europe. All immigration from Europe was legal immigration, until 1924. If you were coming from Asia, it was different, of course; your labor was welcome, but you yourself were not. And if you were coming from Africa, you had no rights a white person was bound to respect, even if you were not legally the property of someone else.

I don't think you should talk about European immigration until you have lived it, which you clearly did not, or you would know about the blatant and tolerated and encouraged discrimination and waiting seven years to become a US citizen, and only then under certain conditions. If you did not speak the language, there was no job for you, period. Not like now. That was after they were treated like cattle and subjected to inhumane medical exams. GTFOH with your rhetoric.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

It’s called an individual tax ID number, commonly used by undocumented immigrants to complete an I-9 and pay taxes. Maybe try doing a Google search before posting so confidently— https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/us/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-cec/index.html

What a joke. Next time before posting something, try doing basic math.

Your own link says $6B was paid through ITNs. There are other 20M illegal immigrants living in the US:

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates

Let's take an extremely conservative estimate and say only 50% of those 20M are working adults using ITNs (of course it is way higher). That means $6B/10M people illegal immigrants are paying a grand whooping total of only $600 in income taxes per year, which is an absolute joke. Sorry basic math is too hard for you. There are far more illegal immigrants getting paid under the table and under reporting income, if at all, beside they're tax dodgers. And now you want to give them free handouts of cash paid for by our citizens who pay way, wayyyyy more in income taxes to run this country.

ITNS are a joke. You cannot hold a job LEGALLY without a valid I9 and a social security number. Period. Any taxes paid using an ITN is only what is self reported, which is it only average out to a paltry $600 or less per illegal immigrant. If they were here legally and paying an appropriate level of taxes, they'd have a social security number that'd allow the IRS to audit their ass and force them to pay a helluva a lot more than a measly $600 per year in taxes. Many are paying $0 and you want to give them cash handout, free school lunches, and free health care. Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

And yet another failure to understand how privilege works from someone who thinks they pulled themselves up by the bootstraps by working hard (while the "hoodlums" were off having fun, lol).

Oh right, privilege is now = to having parents whom give a sh!t. What am astounding stupid definition.

Maybe you shouldn't have kids at all if you're a low life degenerate on welfare who is unwilling to discipline your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....