MCPS Announces New Attendance Plan and Policy on 8/22

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Underlying all of this is that there is no way to punish weak parenting without hurting the child even more. You can't take money from parents, or send parents to jail, as punishment for weak parenting, and expect that to help the child. There aren't better environments just waiting to host the child.

Punitive arrangements are useless, unless they are deferred until children are 18 or 21.

Examples of potentially plausible programs:

* Welfare subsidies are $X, plus $Y bonus for students who attend school and submit academic work. This discourages pulling kids out of school to do labor or just hang out

* If a parent fails to put a child through 11 valid years of schooling before age 21, parent does weekends in prison or community service.

Many of the parents in question already receive welfare benefits, so I don't think that works.

To your point: Some of the underlying problems are character, moral and ethical problems that the school district nor the county government can help.

What "welfare benefits" do you think the parents are getting, specifically?

Housing, food and likely medical insurance.

There is still cash assistance.

Not enough of any of this to be the reliable lever the PP seems to imagine.

Sorry, you will have to find some way other than denying basic needs to control people’s behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least 2 students last year that missed a month of school to visit family out of the country. One was in Africa and the other in South America. So would MCPS now unenroll them?

Also, what happens once these kids are unenrolled? I’m thinking of the many moms of MS boys that say “I can’t control him” and their son misses 65 days of school. There is no phone call or home visit that will get that kid to school.

Claim asylum in the U.S. due to "persecution," then go back on vacation...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We were told today that teachers must take attendance in every single class and if a kid comes in 20+ minutes late, then mark them absent. We are not supposed to change their attendance to present if they show up half way through class.

Except this is late, not absent. We had a teacher mark our kid absent for homeroom as they didn't participate/share as the teacher demanded they did as our child wasn't uncomfortable with the constant topics the teacher pushed and it was a teacher where if you didn't say the right thing you were verbally admonished for not being their version of political correctness. It wasn't reasonable but not worth fighting as homeroom meant nothing.

What did the principal say when you brought this up?

Nothing. They’d look into it.

And when you followed up?

DP
PP did enough. Quit it with your ridiculous questions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what exactly is the new plan and policy?

Because they cut off the livestream, we're all in the dark. I'm guessing we'll get the details when news reports are filed later today? This is all so bizarre.

MCPS's largest student racial group is Hispanic, and 36.6% of Hispanic students are chronically absent (based on MSDE report card).

Whey are more than 1/3 of Hispanic students chronically absent? Are they helping their family or are they doing something else?

In fact some Hispanic groups surveyed MCPS's Hispanic students and found that many of them are not going to school because they were undereducated in their home countries (many of them are immigrant children and are ESOL students) and cannot keep up with the work, even the ESOL work.

I look forward to see whether MCPS addresses this massive problem in the school system.

Right.

This is no longer a school system primarily of UMC kids. It is increasingly a system of high needs kids.

2021-2022 numbers:

40% of the kids are FARMS
18% are ESOL

33% Hispanic
22% Black
25% White
14% Asian

This is in a county that is 42% white and with a 5% poverty rate.

Think about that. Essentially, white families with financial means have fled the system.

Not a conclusion you can make from the data you've given. What are the demographics of all school-aged kids in MoCo?

Look at 2002-3 numbers:
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/fy2003/schools/county.pdf
White 46.1%
Black 21.4%
Hispanic 17.9%
Asian 14.2%

FARMS 22.5%
ESOL 8.5%

In 20 years, FARMS, ESOL, and Hispanic percentages doubled or nearly doubled, and White percentage nearly halved.

Excellent. With all this diversity I’m sure the schools are doing fantastically well. It’s our strength you know.

Yeah, I miss the good ol' days when POC knew their place - and it wasn't MoCo - too.

Yeah. That’s totally what PP is going for

There is a happy medium you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Underlying all of this is that there is no way to punish weak parenting without hurting the child even more. You can't take money from parents, or send parents to jail, as punishment for weak parenting, and expect that to help the child. There aren't better environments just waiting to host the child.

Punitive arrangements are useless, unless they are deferred until children are 18 or 21.

Examples of potentially plausible programs:

* Welfare subsidies are $X, plus $Y bonus for students who attend school and submit academic work. This discourages pulling kids out of school to do labor or just hang out

* If a parent fails to put a child through 11 valid years of schooling before age 21, parent does weekends in prison or community service.

Do you think cash welfare still exists? Let’s start there.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/ofa/programs/temporary-assistance-needy-families-tanf
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/earned-income-tax-credit-eitc
https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10085.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our staff were also discussing students skipping classes to avoid tests, study, and take them later. Currently, we are not allowed to take points off for skipping. The current system encourages it due to the lack of consequences.

yep. My DC told me some of their friends do this. Terrible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our staff were also discussing students skipping classes to avoid tests, study, and take them later. Currently, we are not allowed to take points off for skipping. The current system encourages it due to the lack of consequences.

yep. My DC told me some of their friends do this. Terrible.

The retake policy makes this tactic pointless. Kids are just stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were told today that teachers must take attendance in every single class and if a kid comes in 20+ minutes late, then mark them absent. We are not supposed to change their attendance to present if they show up half way through class.

Except this is late, not absent. We had a teacher mark our kid absent for homeroom as they didn't participate/share as the teacher demanded they did as our child wasn't uncomfortable with the constant topics the teacher pushed and it was a teacher where if you didn't say the right thing you were verbally admonished for not being their version of political correctness. It wasn't reasonable but not worth fighting as homeroom meant nothing.

What did the principal say when you brought this up?

Nothing. They’d look into it.

And when you followed up?

Look at some point a parent has so their own job and not correcting all the paperwork the school screws up.

[Anonymous]

Why is everything in MCPS related to racism!!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least 2 students last year that missed a month of school to visit family out of the country. One was in Africa and the other in South America. So would MCPS now unenroll them?

Also, what happens once these kids are unenrolled? I’m thinking of the many moms of MS boys that say “I can’t control him” and their son misses 65 days of school. There is no phone call or home visit that will get that kid to school.

Then he and his mom will get locked up. Truancy charges are real.

A mom that says she can't control her adolescent son is not in control and as the adult in the equation, she has to be. If she's afraid of her own child or she has abdicated all power to a 13, 14 or 15 year old, then she's failed as a parent.

If dad is not in his life, call in an uncle, cousin, grandparent, neighbor, coach, pastor, SOMEBODY.

Those people have their own kids and lives to manage. Are you volunteering to be foster parent?

Yay, you are morally superior. She failed as a parent. Now that you have condemened her, the child will magically teleport to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least 2 students last year that missed a month of school to visit family out of the country. One was in Africa and the other in South America. So would MCPS now unenroll them?

Also, what happens once these kids are unenrolled? I’m thinking of the many moms of MS boys that say “I can’t control him” and their son misses 65 days of school. There is no phone call or home visit that will get that kid to school.

Then he and his mom will get locked up. Truancy charges are real.

A mom that says she can't control her adolescent son is not in control and as the adult in the equation, she has to be. If she's afraid of her own child or she has abdicated all power to a 13, 14 or 15 year old, then she's failed as a parent.

If dad is not in his life, call in an uncle, cousin, grandparent, neighbor, coach, pastor, SOMEBODY.

Those people have their own kids and lives to manage. Are you volunteering to be foster parent?

Yay, you are morally superior. She failed as a parent. Now that you have condemened her, the child will magically teleport to school.

What's your solution then, genius? The status quo where the school looks the other way and allows chronically absent students to show up when they feel like it?

You hate consequences cause they're mean, you poke holes in any proposed solution as being unrealistic, but you offer no viable way forward. So what's good? Are you just here to be a naysayer to everything? Does that make you feel morally superior to a bunch of anonymous people on an online forum?

Get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Underlying all of this is that there is no way to punish weak parenting without hurting the child even more. You can't take money from parents, or send parents to jail, as punishment for weak parenting, and expect that to help the child. There aren't better environments just waiting to host the child.

Punitive arrangements are useless, unless they are deferred until children are 18 or 21.

Examples of potentially plausible programs:

* Welfare subsidies are $X, plus $Y bonus for students who attend school and submit academic work. This discourages pulling kids out of school to do labor or just hang out

* If a parent fails to put a child through 11 valid years of schooling before age 21, parent does weekends in prison or community service.

Many of the parents in question already receive welfare benefits, so I don't think that works.

To your point: Some of the underlying problems are character, moral and ethical problems that the school district nor the county government can help.

What "welfare benefits" do you think the parents are getting, specifically?

Housing, food and likely medical insurance.

There is still cash assistance.

Not enough of any of this to be the reliable lever the PP seems to imagine.

Sorry, you will have to find some way other than denying basic needs to control people’s behavior.

I guess you can continue denied children's basic need for education, to enable neglect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least 2 students last year that missed a month of school to visit family out of the country. One was in Africa and the other in South America. So would MCPS now unenroll them?

Also, what happens once these kids are unenrolled? I’m thinking of the many moms of MS boys that say “I can’t control him” and their son misses 65 days of school. There is no phone call or home visit that will get that kid to school.

Then he and his mom will get locked up. Truancy charges are real.

A mom that says she can't control her adolescent son is not in control and as the adult in the equation, she has to be. If she's afraid of her own child or she has abdicated all power to a 13, 14 or 15 year old, then she's failed as a parent.

If dad is not in his life, call in an uncle, cousin, grandparent, neighbor, coach, pastor, SOMEBODY.

Those people have their own kids and lives to manage. Are you volunteering to be foster parent?

Yay, you are morally superior. She failed as a parent. Now that you have condemened her, the child will magically teleport to school.

What's your solution then, genius? The status quo where the school looks the other way and allows chronically absent students to show up when they feel like it?

You hate consequences cause they're mean, you poke holes in any proposed solution as being unrealistic, but you offer no viable way forward. So what's good? Are you just here to be a naysayer to everything? Does that make you feel morally superior to a bunch of anonymous people on an online forum?

Get a life.

Is it full moon already?
The selfawarewolf rises in this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least 2 students last year that missed a month of school to visit family out of the country. One was in Africa and the other in South America. So would MCPS now unenroll them?

Also, what happens once these kids are unenrolled? I’m thinking of the many moms of MS boys that say “I can’t control him” and their son misses 65 days of school. There is no phone call or home visit that will get that kid to school.

Claim asylum in the U.S. due to "persecution," then go back on vacation...

You’re not wrong.

[Anonymous]

MCPS is so bad at communication. How is it that no one can say for sure what this policy is?